Up plating

[BouncyBoatFolk]

There’s 110 kg of water then including the hot water . As for fuel not sure on the tank and the 20 lt jerry can so I will fill them

Full jerry can, that's like money in a high interest account!! Full of diesel the jerry can including self weight would be about 19kg.
Fuel tank would probably be either 60,or 90 litres.
Mike.

 

[Fdhadi]

I’ve heard from a few people that you can go to 4ton with uprated front springs from 3850 with the wheels tyres and rear air assist, don’t shoot the messenger I’m not clued up on these things!

SV Tech told me the same.

 

[Minxy]

Down to the weigh bridge next week the cost here well the closest to me for three weighs thats front axel total weight and rear axel comes to £ 42.50. But before we go we will be fully loaded hopefully with everything we need if we miss anything we’re just have to add later.

You don't need 3 weights, just front and rear axles will do as you can add them together ... also for that money I'd be looking for a cheaper weighbridge and a trip away in it instead!

 

[Minxy]

Anyone know if it's possible to up-plate a 3850kg Ducato light chassis? I'm assuming it would be more than a paper exercise given that this is the max on a light chassis.

Yes you can but only with rear air-assist (assuming you've already got the correct tyres).

I’ve heard from a few people that you can go to 4ton with uprated front springs from 3850 with the wheels tyres and rear air assist, don’t shoot the messenger I’m not clued up on these things!

Yes you heard right if you do the front springs too, we had this option when we uprated our Carthago on the Fiat light chassis/Alko combi (same weight restrictions as the Fiat light chassis). We went up to 3850kg with rear semi-air to take the axle up to 2240kg (was 2000kg) and the front could have gone up to 2000kg (currently 1850kg) if we'd done the springs too however we didn't bother with them as we just wanted the extra capacity on the rear axle as won't ever go over it or the 3850kg max.

 

[Minxy]

sonar ... don't forget that you're road tax will only be £165 a year once you've uprated over 3500kg.

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[WESTY66]

Down to the weigh bridge next week the cost here well the closest to me for three weighs thats front axel total weight and rear axel comes to £ 42.50. But before we go we will be fully loaded hopefully with everything we need if we miss anything we’re just have to add later.

That’s daylight robbery

 

[sonar]

sonar ... don't forget that you're road tax will only be £165 a year once you've uprated over 3500kg.

Well thanks for that it’s nice to know. Winner all round then.

 

[sonar]

That’s daylight robbery

That’s the southampton for you ..if we lived in the north east still it would most likely have been £ 10 including a coffee

 

[sonar]

You don't need 3 weights, just front and rear axles will do as you can add them together ... also for that money I'd be looking for a cheaper weighbridge and a trip away in it instead!

Sv tech did not need a certificate but it’s nice to know your own approx weight. Especially if you plan on adding something or someone you never allowed for before up plating.

You don't need 3 weights, just front and rear axles will do as you can add them together ... also for that money I'd be looking for a cheaper weighbridge and a trip away in it instead!

its an all in one price the weighbridge is a company that convert lorries vans pvc,s and custom coach builds Repairs and custom items to order.

it is what it is. The. other one closest to me will not let you on site. Unless. You have a hard hat safety Boots and a hi viz jacket or coat. NO EXCEPTIONS.

I said I was staying in the unit but i was told I would have to get out to pay and collect the ticket.

they did not supply hard hats or hi viz items.

I don’t need one to up plate it’s for our own satisfaction.
at least we’re know if we will ever be over weight. But I doubt it will ever be that loaded.

 

[Speve]

No excuse not too, my front is 1930kg, rear 2300kg.

Thought yours would be 2300 kg with full air Lenny HB ?

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[WESTY66]

That’s the southampton for you ..if we lived in the north east still it would most likely have been £ 10 including a coffee

If you lived near where I work it’s a pack of biscuits, we have two weighbridges (in/out) and I use them as and when I need to. The trip to work last week made up my mind to uprate to 5ton so uprated wheels on this afternoon, all stuff sent into Van Weight Engineering on Monday and sit back and wait for the uprate to happen and hopefully the dvla will get it right first time

 

[Lenny HB]

Thought yours would be 2300 kg with full air Lenny HB ?

Thats actual weight max is 2300kg with or without air.

 

[WESTY66]

Thats actual weight max is 2300kg with or without air.

But you could go higher should you wish with full air, right??

 

[Lenny HB]

If you lived near where I work it’s a pack of biscuits, we have two weighbridges (in/out) and I use them as and when I need to. The trip to work last week made up my mind to uprate to 5ton so uprated wheels on this afternoon, all stuff sent into Van Weight Engineering on Monday and sit back and wait for the uprate to happen and hopefully the dvla will get it right first time

I take you changed the tyres as well?

DVLA get I right first time - in your dreams.

 

[WESTY66]

Yes 1450kg wheels and 121 rated tyres (winter ones)

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[Minxy]

Sv tech did not need a certificate but it’s nice to know your own approx weight. Especially if you plan on adding something or someone you never allowed for before up plating.

If you don't need a piece of paper a very large tin of biscuits etc might do the trick ...

 

[Minxy]

The. other one closest to me will not let you on site. Unless. You have a hard hat safety Boots and a hi viz jacket or coat. NO EXCEPTIONS.

I said I was staying in the unit but i was told I would have to get out to pay and collect the ticket.

A hard hat, high viz and boots ... can you borrow some of buy some cheaper including the ticket (if you need it)?

 

[Minxy]

Have you thought of seeing if there's one at the docks/port that you can use? In Hull there's one near the docks which we can use FOC.

 

[Lenny HB]

But you could go higher should you wish with full air, right??

Wouldn't know but not much use on the front with nearly 400 kg spare and nowhere to load anything at the front.

 

[cyberyacht]

Yes you can but only with rear air-assist (assuming you've already got the correct tyres).


Yes you heard right if you do the front springs too, we had this option when we uprated our Carthago on the Fiat light chassis/Alko combi (same weight restrictions as the Fiat light chassis). We went up to 3850kg with rear semi-air to take the axle up to 2240kg (was 2000kg) and the front could have gone up to 2000kg (currently 1850kg) if we'd done the springs too however we didn't bother with them as we just wanted the extra capacity on the rear axle as won't ever go over it or the 3850kg max.

Interestingly my 2016 Carthago plate, currently 1850/2000, rated for 3500 says Max 3700 which is less than the Fiat chassis figures. Don't know why it's 150Kg less than the chassis rating.

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[Minxy]

Wouldn't know but not much use on the front with nearly 400 kg spare and nowhere to load anything at the front.

You need to eat a bit more chuck!

 

[Lenny HB]

You need to eat a bit more chuck!

I'm already overweight up to 77kg at the moment & 'er indoors is up to 46 kg, a couple of fatties at the moment.

 

[Minxy]

Interestingly my 2016 Carthago plate, currently 1850/2000, rated for 3500 says Max 3700 which is less than the Fiat chassis figures. Don't know why it's 150Kg less than the chassis rating.

The maximum that Carthago will issue a COC for is 3700kg for the i-138, why I haven't a clue as it doesn't make sense but the dealer did try to get a new COC from them for 3850kg and they wouldn't do it (might be to encourage people to buy the heavier chassis versions in the first place). It means that if you want to go above 3700kg you have to get SVTech/VWE to do the paperwork which is what happened to us - fortunately we'd stipulated on the sales agreement that we wanted it registering at 3850kg so the dealer paid as they hadn't told us they'd only registered it at 3700kg. The axle weights would have stayed at 1850/2000 but as we wanted more capacity on the rear we put the semi-air on (£2,000!) and the axles weights were changed to 1850/2240 with 3850kg total (yes I know they add up to more!), if we'd changed the front springs we could've increased the front axle weight and the MAM but didn't need to.

 

[Speve]

Thats actual weight max is 2300kg with or without air.

Oh I see Heres my plate.

I would think we are much the same in actual weight terms might be a bit less cos we don’t lug a washing machine around.

 

[BouncyBoatFolk]

The maximum that Carthago will issue a COC for is 3700kg for the i-138, why I haven't a clue as it doesn't make sense but the dealer did try to get a new COC from them for 3850kg and they wouldn't do it (might be to encourage people to buy the heavier chassis versions in the first place). It means that if you want to go above 3700kg you have to get SVTech/VWE to do the paperwork which is what happened to us - fortunately we'd stipulated on the sales agreement that we wanted it registering at 3850kg so the dealer paid as they hadn't told us they'd only registered it at 3700kg. The axle weights would have stayed at 1850/2000 but as we wanted more capacity on the rear we put the semi-air on (£2,000!) and the axles weights were changed to 1850/2240 with 3850kg total (yes I know they add up to more!), if we'd changed the front springs we could've increased the front axle weight and the MAM but didn't need to.

Interestingly that's the same axle weights I had to work with. VWE were able to use that to get me to 4090KG, with a tyre upgrade + air bags.
I would probably have to move carp from the back to the front, somewhere, but doable if needed. If you don't require any more payload though it's not worth forking out for. We have bikes, boats [ plural ], scooter,and all the associated paraphernalia for a "wrong way round" trip.
Mike.

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[Lenny HB]

Oh I see Heres my plate.View attachment 592101 I would think we are much the same in actual weight terms might be a bit less cos we don’t lug a washing machine around.

Washing machine 13kg, your towbar over 50kg & weight further back.

 

[WESTY66]

Washing machine 13kg, your towbar over 50kg & weight further back.

Bugger I’ve got both

 

[Minxy]

Interestingly that's the same axle weights I had to work with. VWE were able to use that to get me to 4090KG, with a tyre upgrade + air bags.
I would probably have to move carp from the back to the front, somewhere, but doable if needed. If you don't require any more payload though it's not worth forking out for. We have bikes, boats [ plural ], scooter,and all the associated paraphernalia for a "wrong way round" trip.
Mike.

I don't know why they said we needed the uprated front springs to go up to 4090kg as the axles added together give us that now, but I also know that SVTech sometimes give weird figures for maximum weights as others have found. If we had needed more then I might have questions the reasoning but as we didn't I didn't.

 

[Speve]

Washing machine 13kg, your towbar over 50kg & weight further back.

Even with that i am still able to keep back axle at 2200 kg loads of payload

 

[Lenny HB]

Even with that i am still able to keep back axle at 2200 kg loads of payload

Mine was at 2200 but the junk keeps growing, snow chains got added a couple of years ago and the latest addition is a Paddleboard.

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