Portugal is now off the green list

[MichaelT]

Hi MITHRANDIR whilst I understand your view on those that are fully vaccinated being allowed to travel abroad whilst those that have not yet been jabbed barred from doing likewise and that it would indeed encourage those not vaccinated (by choice) to get the jab it does rather miss the point that at this moment in time there are still a great number of people that have not yet been offered the opportunity to be vaccinated (my son at 22 years old has asked on a number of occasions only to be told in no uncertain terms that he will be contacted when it is his turn) I myself at 59 years of age took the first opportunity I was offered and will still not get my second jab till Saturday and my 58 year old brother in law does not get his till a week later.

It also does not seem to take into account (apology's if I missed it) that those returning may inadvertently return with the virus and then unwittingly mix with someone who through no fault of their own are not yet fully vaccinated.

Once everyone has had at least one opportunity to be fully vaccinated and only those that so choose are left without protection I would have more sympathy with your viewpoint but despite great strides forward we are not quite there yet and I hope those that were lucky enough to get vaccinated early show the same level of patience with going on holiday as those that are still waiting for the first offer of some level of protection.

you seem to be behind the curve, my mate who is 50 got his 2nd today (got a text to bring it forward 3 weeks) my son (35 got his first 2-3 weeks ago and daughter (33) gets first tomorrow?

 

[Tombola]

I am intrigued as to how you formulate the opinion for me "Me me me" and look forward to your answer

Ill bow out and leave you to it i think. When you start looking "forward" to my answers now theres a worry

 

[Grummyb]

Most of the patience at our GP surgery are most certainly not thin, nor are they a virtue. But they do provide a source of income for the Doctors and Practice Nurses ...

Steve

Oh marche thats a bit fattest and a but thickest im amazed you havnt had a strong talking to by the snowflakes

 

[MITHRANDIR]

It also does not seem to take into account (apology's if I missed it) that those returning may inadvertently return with the virus and then unwittingly mix with someone who through no fault of their own are not yet fully vaccinated.

This can ,does, and will happen domestically as well as abroad, Passing it on unwittingly or transporting it from one area to another, does not just happen in some far away land.
I appreciate not being able to travel at the moment if you haven't had the vaccine because of your age could be seen as not fair.
Do we wait until every man, woman, child are vaccinated before eligible for travel?, it could be argued, having to wait is not fair on those that have been fully vaccinated, works both ways.
I was sold on the vaccine on the promise that freedoms would be reinstated, and that some sort of normality would return.
That seems to get further away every day that passes.

 

[Tombola]

you seem to be behind the curve, my mate who is 50 got his 2nd today (got a text to bring it forward 3 weeks) my son (35 got his first 2-3 weeks ago and daughter (33) gets first tomorrow?

I have my second tomorrow too, brought forward 3 weeks yesterday

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[suavecarve]

Ill bow out and leave you to it i think. When you start looking "forward" to my answers not theres a worry

Not an issue, In about 10 minutes you wont have to worry about any of my responses.

I asked for a justification of you calling something I wrote "madness" and intimating that I was selfish.

I thought I would give you an opportunity to justify it, but you declined.

 

[Gerby]

First of all you have to know whether "perfectly safe " is safer than " incredibly safe"?
Is "believably safe " safer than them both?

Personally I think "incredibly safe" is just that, Incredible in that it is safer than "perfectly safe".
Whereas "unbelievably safe" trumps both of them, in that it is so safe it isn't believable that it is.

Firstly I do apologise only the pedant that I normally keep locked up deep inside me is fighting to get out:

One definition of Perfectly is

perfectly DEFINITIONS AND SYNONYMS ‌‌‌​

ADVERB
UK/ˈpɜː(r)fɪk(t)li/

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DEFINITIONS2

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1. 1
   in a way that could not be better
   They are a perfectly matched couple.
   He took a perfectly ironed shirt from the wardrobe.
   
   Therefore if this definition is taken then as it is "in a way that could not be better" no other word could improve on it in a similar way that infinity plus 1 is only ever equal to infinity thus Perfectly may be able to be equalled but not improved upon. just a thought I will now lock the pedant back up in the deep recess's of my (very) troubled mind!

 

[Gerby]

you seem to be behind the curve, my mate who is 50 got his 2nd today (got a text to bring it forward 3 weeks) my son (35 got his first 2-3 weeks ago and daughter (33) gets first tomorrow?

The missus and me both took first available spaces in our area as soon as we found out it was open to our age group (technically a bit earlier as I saw it posted on this forum before I saw it on the news and a lot earlier than when our local practice got around to telling us officially) our second date was set when we had the first jab, unfortunately due to postcode lottery varying availability in varying areas etc some fair distribution systems are occasionally less fair than others, such is life I suppose

 

[suavecarve]

Firstly I do apologise only the pedant that I normally keep locked up deep inside me is fighting to get out:

One definition of Perfectly is

perfectly DEFINITIONS AND SYNONYMS ‌‌‌​

ADVERB
UK/ˈpɜː(r)fɪk(t)li/

---

DEFINITIONS2

---

1. 1
   in a way that could not be better
   They are a perfectly matched couple.
   He took a perfectly ironed shirt from the wardrobe.
   
   Therefore if this definition is taken then as it is "in a way that could not be better" no other word could improve on it in a similar way that infinity plus 1 is only ever equal to infinity thus Perfectly may be able to be equalled but not improved upon. (just a thought I will now lock the pedant back up in the deep recess's of my (very) troubled mind!

I took that the same way.
Incredibly safe is not as safe as perfectly safe

 

[deleted79651]

Oh marche thats a bit fattest and a but thickest im amazed you havnt had a strong talking to by the snowflakes

All based on verified observations! The one thing you won't hear at our surgery is 'Is there room in here for a small one?' ... They'reallbuilt for comfort, not for speed ... I fit in very well ...

Steve

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[Twogirls]

Portugal first started this rise on 16th May.

Which was 11 days after the first easing of restrictions after lockdown by my recollection....but I'll have to go back and check the dates

 

[suavecarve]

Which was 11 days after the first easing of restrictions after lockdown by my recollection....but I'll have to go back and check the dates

Yep, that was my recollection as well. (3rd May restrictions (in the main) ended)
To the best of my knowledge they rose just before us but for differing reasons and think I wrote that on the infections thread a few days ago.
I have heard the, yet to be given a Greek name, virus originating in Nepal is supposed to have something to do with it as well, and just spoken to 2 of my Nepalese staff who confirmed there are a number of Nepalese in Portugal and they were allowed to fly to Nepal from Portugal.

I hasten to add, I have no knowledge of it being the virus first identified in Nepal.

 

[The Wino]

It strikes me that when cases increase its very convenient if it's due to a new variant rather than anything to do with too much relaxation of restrictions. Maybe I'm just a sceptic.

 

[Coolcats]

With respect, the title of your post is at variance with actuality.

It MAY be that Portugal will be taken off the list but, without the crystal ball Portugal is not, RIGHT Now, off the green list.

All I did was post what was reported by the BBC here is an extract from the Guardian and it does not say may.

Should say I feel for those who have planned and booked travel maybe.


Portugal, including Madeira and the Azores, will be moved to the amber list on Tuesday. Seven more countries will be added to the red list, to which virtually all travel is effectively prohibited.

Portugal removed from ‘green list’ of Covid travel destinations

No countries added to England’s quarantine-free holiday register as seven moved from amber to red

www.theguardian.com

 

[MITHRANDIR]

It strikes me that when cases increase its very convenient if it's due to a new variant rather than anything to do with too much relaxation of restrictions. Maybe I'm just a sceptic.

Restrictions in the wrong place at the wrong time, i hasten to add.

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[Emmit]

All I did was post what was reported by the BBC here is an extract from the Guardian and it does not say may.

Should say I feel for those who have planned and booked travel maybe.


Portugal, including Madeira and the Azores, will be moved to the amber list on Tuesday. Seven more countries will be added to the red list, to which virtually all travel is effectively prohibited.

Portugal removed from ‘green list’ of Covid travel destinations

No countries added to England’s quarantine-free holiday register as seven moved from amber to red

www.theguardian.com

I apologise if I may have given the impression that I was "having a go" at you.
However I am sick and tired of what used to be the paragon of correctness, (the BBC) utilising the media to offer their opinion as news.
Alright, on this occasion they got it right but how many times do they report, early in the day that, " The Prime Minister WILL today say in Parliament etc. etc." One of these days he may not, and serve them right.
That is not news, it is prediction.
SAGA came a cropper two months ago when their cover story, and long article inside was "Prince Philip at 100"

 

[138go]

I did not say that, but maybe people with money might have a more entitled view. In the grand scheme of things not seeing each other is nothing major.

Your first comment is completely wrong, as you simply can’t categorise people like that. I mean, how much money does one need before the entitled clause kicks in? Does it matter how the money was accrued? Family money? Hard work? Lottery? It just doesn’t work like that.

In the grand scheme of things not seeing family is nothing major for you. You can’t speak for others. I can fully understand families wanting to see each other.

 

[Phileas Fogg]

That’s the way the cookie crumbles. If seeing each other was so important then they would not have moved, simples.

Would you like to tell that to our autistic grand daughter that cries herself to sleep because she can't see Grandma and Pappa.

 

[glenn2926]

It strikes me that when cases increase its very convenient if it's due to a new variant rather than anything to do with too much relaxation of restrictions. Maybe I'm just a sceptic.

Or maybe you just like restrictions and will try to say every hiccup is due to easing restrictions. It’s not like you want restriction to end is it?

 

[MITHRANDIR]

OMG someone left the gate open and let a certain funster out and up onto his soap box again about staying locked-down foreveeeeeeeeeer!

With respect i don't think your sarcastic remark is called for and adds nothing to the debate, people are entitled to their view regardless of how many times they may mention it.
Just my view, and certainly no offence meant.

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[glenn2926]

With respect i don't think your sarcastic remark is called for and adds nothing to the debate, people are entitled to their view regardless of how many times they may mention it.
Just my view, and certainly no offence meant.

Just ignore it. It always tries to tell everyone how they should do whatever it is they’re doing. From building vans to designing their homes. I’m not sure it’s actually a real person.

 

[MITHRANDIR]

Just ignore it. It always tries to tell everyone how they should do whatever it is they’re doing. From building vans to designing their homes. I’m not sure it’s actually a real person.

I did think the comment was a bit close to the wire, not in a nice way either.

 

[glenn2926]

I did think the comment was a bit close to the wire, not in a nice way either.

The poster is not known for nice. Which is what makes me think it isn’t a human. I used to enter into banter style conversations but have come to think I’m arguing with a machine. I now don’t bother.

 

[ElliesBoss]

Interesting reading all this, however I am still waiting to catch the Spanish flu. I shall worry about Covid later.

 

[glenn2926]

Interesting reading all this, however I am still waiting to catch the Spanish flu. I shall worry about Covid later.

Spanish flu? Spanish flu? Huh listen to you!! I haven’t even had the Black Death yet.

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[The Wino]

Or maybe you just like restrictions and will try to say every hiccup is due to easing restrictions. It’s not like you want restriction to end is it?

I do however not at the expense of others health. I do wonder if some just think of No1 above anyone else and as soon as they're vaccinated want to be off no matter what the effect on others. Maybe it's the loadsamoney generation from the Harry Enfield show climb over everyone else to get whatever they want.

 

[JJ]

I blame Thatcher, insurance companies and Calor gas.

Without them, it would be a nicer, friendlier and more economical society to live in.

JJ

 

[Abacist]

If the Government pull the plug on opening up on June 21st then we are faced with lockdowns and restrictions potentially forever as there will always be a mutant variant that is 10 times more transmissible and on which the vaccines are less effective waiting in the wings! We have to learn to live with this and the Government must learn that if they fail to restrict people coming into the country bringing their deadly germs with them then people will expect to be allowed to travel but other countries will treat us as pariahs unless we apply rigorous control to people coming and going. This is why a Covid passport is critical worldwide. Similarly those allowed to enter the country must be strictly controlled as to isolating before being allowed amongst the general population if symptomatic and those not vaccinated rejected. We cannot be held back by useless government, useless quarantine, people who won't be vaccinated. The only way out of this is vaccination and the starvation of the virus by vaccinated people, worldwide. There will be enough problems created by annual variants for which new more effective vaccines will be required just like the flu!

 

[suavecarve]

I do however not at the expense of others health. I do wonder if some just think of No1 above anyone else and as soon as they're vaccinated want to be off no matter what the effect on others. Maybe it's the loadsamoney generation from the Harry Enfield show climb over everyone else to get whatever they want.

Many of us went away without the vaccine as an added precaution.

Or is at all plausible that the style of holiday we choose means there is significantly less risk than all those going to Cornwall this year.
You also wouldn't find me on a flight to a beach resort.

You don't catch it just because you're abroad.

Going away is an informed judgement by each person who weighs up the risks/annoyances for themselves and tarring them with being "loadsamoney" when this one is currently working 12 hour nights is not becoming and for me unfortunately totally incorrect.

 

[jongood]

I took that the same way.
Incredibly safe is not as safe as perfectly safe

Jumping in late but by definition is anything ever perfect? In the case of a vaccine perfect could never be proved. For me incredibly or even pretty safe is fine, I've got by so far so I most be fairly OK at assessing and managing risk.

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