Current U.K. law on up plating has been changed WITHOUT consultation

So in order to carry an extra ton of electrical fuel to carry the same goods that we already carry we have to up the driving weight category - how is that saving the planet. It's a nice knock on effect that it helps mohos just because they need to be a certain size to be comfortably self sufficient but for the vast majority of vans it's madness
 
dunnah01 said:
So in order to carry an extra ton of electrical fuel to carry the same goods that we already carry we have to up the driving weight category - how is that saving the planet. It's a nice knock on effect that it helps mohos just because they need to be a certain size to be comfortably self sufficient but for the vast majority of vans it's madness
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It entails a greater amount of kinetic energy with much less (or no) fossil fuels being burned and no impact on local air quality?
 
PaulW2 said:
The EV is the ton of batteries and drivetrain, like the ICE engine is the drivetrain and fuel tank?
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But proper EVs (trams and high speed trains) don't carry much battery weight

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PaulW2 said:
Well no, but their roads are electrified.
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We should be careful what we wish for:

There was a young man who said "Damn!
I perceive with regret that I am
But a creature that moves
In predestinate grooves
I'm not even a bus, I'm a tram." (Maurice Hare, 1905)

To which the nanny state has a reply:

"Young man you should stay your complaint,
For the grooves that you call a constraint
Are there to contrive
That you learn to survive
Trams arrive, buses may or they mayn't."
 
gus-lopez said:
No we can't as it does not state that.
It states "A sorn cannot be made if the vehicle is taken out of the UK" Which means you cannot sorn then take it out of the UK.It does not mean that you cannot take it out of the uk THEN sorn it? Two completely different things & why these people should not be allowed to write rules & regs & laws.
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Youre reading it differently from me.

"Made" is not future tense nor is "Taken" A SORN is "made" at the point of making it, just like a cake.
If it were future tense they would say "Is to (or will) be taken out of the UK" Or The SORN will not continue if the vehicle is taken out of the UK

I dont intend to continue. I have my viewpoint, you have yours. I wont be agreeing with yours. (y) And I suspect you wont agree with mine.
 
Just to add fuel to the fire,
(and I know I have said further up that I am now in the 'cant SORN it' camp.

I've just read the GOV site that says, quite clearly that if your vehicles VEL does not run out at the end of the month in which you apply to SORN it then the application for SORN does not take place immediately,but the following month.
From where I stand, that means that if your VEL does not run out that month, you could make the application on the 1st or 2nd of the month and you would have the rest of the month, with a non SORNed vehicle to drive it with a current VEL, over to Europe and put it on a site off the road.
Discuss please
 
Emmit said:
Just to add fuel to the fire,
(and I know I have said further up that I am now in the 'cant SORN it' camp.

I've just read the GOV site that says, quite clearly that if your vehicles VEL does not run out at the end of the month in which you apply to SORN it then the application for SORN does not take place immediately,but the following month.
From where I stand, that means that if your VEL does not run out that month, you could make the application on the 1st or 2nd of the month and you would have the rest of the month, with a non SORNed vehicle to drive it with a current VEL, over to Europe and put it on a site off the road.
Discuss please
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:LOL: :laughing::rofl:I think :reel::reel:I'll stick with my "taxed for the year " that's it. No refunds ,sorn or whatever.
 
Emmit said:
Just to add fuel to the fire,
(and I know I have said further up that I am now in the 'cant SORN it' camp.

I've just read the GOV site that says, quite clearly that if your vehicles VEL does not run out at the end of the month in which you apply to SORN it then the application for SORN does not take place immediately,but the following month.
From where I stand, that means that if your VEL does not run out that month, you could make the application on the 1st or 2nd of the month and you would have the rest of the month, with a non SORNed vehicle to drive it with a current VEL, over to Europe and put it on a site off the road.
Discuss please
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So they keep a month’s VEL as well as the VEL from your application month?
 
Emmit said:
Just to add fuel to the fire,
(and I know I have said further up that I am now in the 'cant SORN it' camp.

I've just read the GOV site that says, quite clearly that if your vehicles VEL does not run out at the end of the month in which you apply to SORN it then the application for SORN does not take place immediately,but the following month.
From where I stand, that means that if your VEL does not run out that month, you could make the application on the 1st or 2nd of the month and you would have the rest of the month, with a non SORNed vehicle to drive it with a current VEL, over to Europe and put it on a site off the road.
Discuss please
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Well, the condition of SORN-ness isn't allowed to coexist with the condition of out-of-UK-ness. That is the meaning behind that highlighted sentence in the SORN document.

So you've violated that. We're then in the domain of how they detect it and what the penalties/remedies are if they do.
 
There’s only one sure thing that will happen here.
If you have a crash whilst no tax abroad the insurance will pay the third party, you WILL then wish you had taxed it when/if they come after you for recompense! Especially if you have took someone’s life!
Just looked at gov.co.U.K. It says it must be taxed to drive in the EU🤷‍♂️
That’s all I’ve got to offer👍
 
Emmit said:
Just to add fuel to the fire,
(and I know I have said further up that I am now in the 'cant SORN it' camp.

I've just read the GOV site that says, quite clearly that if your vehicles VEL does not run out at the end of the month in which you apply to SORN it then the application for SORN does not take place immediately,but the following month.
From where I stand, that means that if your VEL does not run out that month, you could make the application on the 1st or 2nd of the month and you would have the rest of the month, with a non SORNed vehicle to drive it with a current VEL, over to Europe and put it on a site off the road.
Discuss please
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Were you in the MT department ?


Mental Torture ;)
 
suavecarve said:
Were you in the MT department ?


Mental Torture ;)
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As I quoted to Fogwell Flax ( No. Really. A comedian on cruise ships going back.)

He was doing warm up for the Capt's chat in the theatre on board.
He had a joke for every occupation and , inevitably, he asked the audience, "Have we got any Police in here, serving or retired"
I reluctantly put up my hand and Foggy zoned in on me.
"What job did you do" microphone in hand."
"I looked after people when they had nowhere to go". I replied.
"You looked after people when they had nowhere to go. What job was that in the Police.?"
"I worked in the cells and when they came in, we'd put them in one, close the door, they couldn't go anywhere and we looked after them."
Oh! How we all laughed.

I suppose you're right. It's now classed as torture.

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Emmit said:
I've just read the GOV site that says, quite clearly that if your vehicles VEL does not run out at the end of the month in which you apply to SORN it then the application for SORN does not take place immediately,but the following month.
From where I stand, that means that if your VEL does not run out that month, you could make the application on the 1st or 2nd of the month and you would have the rest of the month.
Discuss please
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NO, if you have x months left, then SORN starts the day you declare it sorted.
 
gus-lopez said:
No we can't as it does not state that.
It states "A sorn cannot be made if the vehicle is taken out of the UK" Which means you cannot sorn then take it out of the UK.It does not mean that you cannot take it out of the uk THEN sorn it? Two completely different things & why these people should not be allowed to write rules & regs & laws.

Because it doesn't say that you cannot do that ? It states that you cannot sorn it THEN take it out

It does not state that anywhere.In fact it is the opposite. It states you cannot sorn it THEN take it out

I don't even know why they allow any type of reduction whatsoever. Here, in spain,if you 'sorn' a vehicle the itv(Mot) is cancelled immediately even if it passed the day before.
To remove the sorn the vehicle has to be ITV'd but legally cannot travel on the road to get to it & must be transported on a trailer or recovery truck.
Plus you pay to put it on a sorn
then you have to pay to get it taken to the itv station
then pay for a new itv
then you can pay to get it taken off the sorn


as said you need to read the 9 pages you missed :LOL:
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It's these in/out, up/down, black/white, left/right responses from gus-lopez Richard, which makes me want to vote for him as Prime Minister if he was ever in the running. That and his possible draconian (but very effective) choices of punishment to deal with life's scrotes. 👍

Bring it on Richard. ;)

Jock. ;)
 
Emmit said:
Just to add fuel to the fire,
(and I know I have said further up that I am now in the 'cant SORN it' camp.

I've just read the GOV site that says, quite clearly that if your vehicles VEL does not run out at the end of the month in which you apply to SORN it then the application for SORN does not take place immediately,but the following month.
From where I stand, that means that if your VEL does not run out that month, you could make the application on the 1st or 2nd of the month and you would have the rest of the month, with a non SORNed vehicle to drive it with a current VEL, over to Europe and put it on a site off the road.
Discuss please
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The reason it can't be sorned until the end of that month is, after midnight at the start of a month, you have already been charge and have no refund for that month.

I suppose, if you don't pay for that month, you are in violation of the rules and can be charged because, according to the rules, a vehicle MUST be either taxed or sorned?
 
Jonno1103 said:
If what is being suggested in the U.K. happens yes.
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One caveat I can see to that is, as I’m now 71 I lost my pre 1979 entitlements and my licence was replaced with 3500kgs when I was 70. I can’t see them issuing me with another upto 4250? The most stupid thing is that I can no longer drive a vehicle over 3500 but I can drive a car + trailer upto 7000!! It defies logic.
 
Platelet said:
One caveat I can see to that is, as I’m now 71 I lost my pre 1979 entitlements and my licence was replaced with 3500kgs when I was 70. I can’t see them issuing me with another upto 4250? The most stupid thing is that I can no longer drive a vehicle over 3500 but I can drive a car + trailer upto 7000!! It defies logic.
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But if and when they change rules your current licence will allow you to drive upto 4250kg and not 3500kg.!!
 
Platelet said:
One caveat I can see to that is, as I’m now 71 I lost my pre 1979 entitlements and my licence was replaced with 3500kgs when I was 70. I can’t see them issuing me with another upto 4250? The most stupid thing is that I can no longer drive a vehicle over 3500 but I can drive a car + trailer upto 7000!! It defies logic.
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The plan is to increase the weight entitlement for B Class licence. That means that if you have B1, then you can drive up to 4250, instead of 3500. Nothing will change on your licence.
 

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