Second home owners reprimanded?

[gus-lopez]

He is not going back to his place of work as he has to recuperate, but be able to have the ability to work.

So he has not moved from Downing St to Chequers for the weekend. He has permanently started his recuperation in a place of erm recuperation having been discharged from Hospital.

Yes you are missing something.He left hospital directly to No;10 where he made the official statement, The gf either travelled their or he then travelled via where she was to pick her up & then on to Chequers. It was all in the statement last night.

d she eventually took the lowest one because she liked the lady

When we purchased our first house, after offer was accepted we were then told as we were first time buyers there was another 7,5% discount stipulated in the sellers will.very nice gesture.

 

[gus-lopez]

In the spirit of rule one in commenting on the post rather than the poster....

whenever how many ‘acres’ and ‘range rovers’ are mentioned - which has no bearing on the dna of the post - envy has to be considered....

When I used to overnight in Norfolk or Suffolk whilst waiting to pick up/drop off the wife I was amazed at the sheer amount of people that obviously travel into the city in the morning & back home at night by helicopter.

 

[rangi]

Cornwall Council dealt with over 1100 complaints over the weekend. AirB&B occupation caused the most.

 

[Tanya_and_Mick]

When I used to overnight in Norfolk or Suffolk whilst waiting to pick up/drop off the wife I was amazed at the sheer amount of people that obviously travel into the city in the morning & back home at night by helicopter.

Ellough (bear Beccles) / Seething (near Diss) heliport(s) spring to mind and Norwich airport; for the commercial big boys with big pockets; plus the helicopters to the rigs......

Plus I’ve never seen a Norfolk / Suffolk farmer on a bike - unless he was getting home from the pub

 

[Ivory55]

Holkham estate is over 25,000 acres so probably need a helicopter to get around it. Haha

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[eddie]

You’ve said that several times now, but it doesn’t make it any less tosh than last time.

You said that several times yet it still seems that way to many

 

[Tanya_and_Mick]

Holkham estate is over 25,000 acres so probably need a helicopter to get around it. Haha

Too true, Holkham Hall has its own helipad

 

[PeteH]

I`ve been trying, along with others to get Parking on the corner of our Close banned for near 10 years now. I once boned a plod about it, sat in his car, staring at the parked cars casuing a clear obstruction, never moved his arras!. We have to wait for one of the local kid`s to be killed or (perhaps) just seriously injured. and then just maybe, they might do something about it?. Disillusioned with the Police? No, not me!

 

[suavecarve]

Yes you are missing something.He left hospital directly to No;10 where he made the official statement, The gf either travelled their or he then travelled via where she was to pick her up & then on to Chequers. It was all in the statement last night.

What I am not missing, is my opinion of your statements, in relation to this

 

[Graydo]

It's so contrary to what we are led to believe is the correct way to behave when certain fractions are allowed to continue irrespective of other people around them.

I would give this small percentage of people no quarter at least 50% of the time.

Maybe.

Graydo

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[Peter and Julie]

So, Your in Bordeaux,? BUT your avatar says your in Skelmersdale?. Which when I last looked on the Map was in Lancashire?. Yep, just checked google, it`s still in Lancashire. they haven't moved it to France then?.

Twin lakes Bordeaux. You want a timed and dated pic?

 

[Abacist]

Quite a few of them register the property as a business because it’s let commercially and pay no Council Tax at all. Instead they claim business rate tax relief! This year quite a few of them are likely to attract Government grants as part of the business support measures.

I have to say that I am somewhat skeptical about this! If a property is let commercially then the tenant, by law, becomes responsible for the business rates if its a business and council tax if its not a business. The property owner then has no duty or responsibility regarding rates or council tax until the lease or rental agreement expires when the future liabilities fall back on him again until such time as there is another lease or letting granted.

 

[Captain Pants]

I have to say that I am somewhat skeptical about this! If a property is let commercially then the tenant, by law, becomes responsible for the business rates if its a business and council tax if its not a business. The property owner then has no duty or responsibility regarding rates or council tax until the lease or rental agreement expires when the future liabilities fall back on him again until such time as there is another lease or letting granted.

Entirely different arrangement for commercially let furnished holiday letting, not landlord/tenant arrangement.

 

[eddie]

I have to say that I am somewhat skeptical about this! If a property is let commercially then the tenant, by law, becomes responsible for the business rates if its a business and council tax if its not a business. The property owner then has no duty or responsibility regarding rates or council tax until the lease or rental agreement expires when the future liabilities fall back on him again until such time as there is another lease or letting granted.

I think that on average, people that own 2nd homes contribute to the local economy. Shops, restaurants, bars, gardeners, cleaners, builders to name but a few, and of course whilst paying for 12 months local authority service, they are using the facilities for only a proportion on that time, so paying in full for all the local amenities and impacting only in a positive way.

 

[Captain Pants]

I think that on average, people that own 2nd homes contribute to the local economy. Shops, restaurants, bars, gardeners, cleaners, builders to name but a few, and of course whilst paying for 12 months local authority service, they are using the facilities for only a proportion on that time, so paying in full for all the local amenities and impacting only in a positive way.

Yes, all the local businesses must get a huge boost from the few weekends they’re here. Shame about the school closures, axed bus routes, closure of post office & pubs and lack of vibrant community tho’.

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[eddie]

Yes, all the local businesses must get a huge boost from the few weekends they’re here. Shame about the school closures, axed bus routes, closure of post office & pubs and lack of vibrant community tho’.

Well you could always move if you don't like the community you live in. From what you have said you'd make a fortune selling as a 2nd home

Communities have waxed and waned forever, which is why there are deserted houses on Dartmoor and derelict Streets in towns and cities.

It will always be the same, as you won't stop people selling and buying

 

[iandsm]

Well you could always move if you don't like the community you live in. From what you have said you'd make a fortune selling as a 2nd home

Communities have waxed and waned forever, which is why there are deserted houses on Dartmoor and derelict Streets in towns and cities.

It will always be the same, as you won't stop people selling and buying

I don't know about other places but Southwold visitors and second home owners spend lots of money locally in shops restaurants and pubs, they have a big input into the community in terms of money but little else. They do tend to take over the place so its a great place to visit but not to live which is why after 35 years I moved away to a small quiet village which has few visitors.

There are many places around the country where tourists have made life less than ideal for local people. On one hand they boost the economy, on the other they tend to change the character of the place, sometimes not for the good. As you say the option is to move somewhere you prefer, places change and life moves on, so we do

 

[Paulypaul]

I don't know about other places but Southwold visitors and second home owners spend lots of money locally in shops restaurants and pubs, they have a big input into the community in terms of money but little else. They do tend to take over the place so its a great place to visit but not to live which is why after 35 years I moved away to a small quiet village which has few visitors.

There are many places around the country where tourists have made life less than ideal for local people. On one hand they boost the economy, on the other they tend to change the character of the place, sometimes not for the good. As you say the option is to move somewhere you prefer, places change and life moves on, so we do

We haven't experienced that side of the second home owner as we are rural and not by the coast. So, from our perspective its just about people who have second homes, and that's it. I'm not sure that Norfolk has been effected to the same degree with the "second home owners pricing locals out" like the south west, but it must be an issue in places like Southwold.
The upside of this is that these places are lovely and quiet when visited out of season.

 

[Ivory55]

Nobody has problems like Cornwall, they have got the monopoly on problems. Haha

 

[MattR]

Yes, all the local businesses must get a huge boost from the few weekends they’re here. Shame about the school closures, axed bus routes, closure of post office & pubs and lack of vibrant community tho’.

In some cases that is true but in many others, there isn't enough work / employment to support vibrant communities; tourism and leisure provide the majority of work. Without visitors there wouldn't be enough work for many people at all. Post Offices, pubs and bus routes have been closing for years, even in areas where the permanent population is thriving.

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[Captain Pants]

In some cases that is true but in many others, there isn't enough work / employment to support vibrant communities; tourism and leisure provide the majority of work. Without visitors there wouldn't be enough work for many people at all. Post Offices, pubs and bus routes have been closing for years, even in areas where the permanent population is thriving.

2nd home ownership at low levels isn’t necessarily a problem and can bring limited benefits but there comes a point (about 25% of total being 2nd homes) where it is destructive to the community. As I’ve said before don’t confuse visitors with 2nd homes it’s comparing apples & pears!

 

[MattR]

2nd home ownership at low levels isn’t necessarily a problem and can bring limited benefits but there comes a point (about 25% of total being 2nd homes) where it is destructive to the community. As I’ve said before don’t confuse visitors with 2nd homes it’s comparing apples & pears!

I'm not confusing them; they are closely related. Second homeowners require services such as highways, refuse collection etc as well as pubs, shops and entertainment. The former paid for with council tax, the latter from income, savings etc. Many visitors stay in many of these second homes and use the same services. Many local shop, cafes and pubs rely on visitors for their survival; there isn't enough local demand for them

 

[tonyidle]

In some cases that is true but in many others, there isn't enough work / employment to support vibrant communities; tourism and leisure provide the majority of work. Without visitors there wouldn't be enough work for many people at all. Post Offices, pubs and bus routes have been closing for years, even in areas where the permanent population is thriving.

Indeed. You could be talking about the Lake District. Second homes IMO aren't any part of the problem. As I said in an earlier post if there was any well-paid work the local younger people would be able to afford to stay and would stay. There's a lack of affordable housing in rural and urban areas which is more to do with the disparity between decent wages and property prices. As much as anything on-line services are taking their toll: Post Offices, Banks, shops are all readily accessible so there wouldn't be many using these services even if they existed. There's always protest about the internet being inaccessible to the elderly: I presume at 72yo I fall into that category but have no difficulty with banking and buying on line. I often think those complaining choose to ignore technological progress then blame others because walk-in facilities are disappearing.

 

[MattR]

Indeed. You could be talking about the Lake District. Second homes IMO aren't any part of the problem. As I said in an earlier post if there was any well-paid work the local younger people would be able to afford to stay and would stay. There's a lack of affordable housing in rural and urban areas which is more to do with the disparity between decent wages and property prices. As much as anything on-line services are taking their toll: Post Offices, Banks, shops are all readily accessible so there wouldn't be many using these services even if they existed. There's always protest about the internet being inaccessible to the elderly: I presume at 72yo I fall into that category but have no difficulty with banking and buying on line. I often think those complaining choose to ignore technological progress then blame others because walk-in facilities are disappearing.

I would suggest that they are part of the problem but perhaps not as much as some would state. Second homes have raised some property prices out of the reach of people born in the area but in many areas, without second homes, there would be less demand for services and fewer opportunities for local people to work... So they would be less likely to live there anyway.

East Suffolk is an area I know reasonably well. There appear to be relatively few employment opportunities outside of retail, care, tourism and servicing second homes. Fishing is on its knees, agricultural demand is seasonal and apart from Sizewell and Felixstowe, there aren't many apparent chances for employment to grow. Few of the jobs are well paid. I've seen many derelict or almost derelict properties being renovated over the decades that I've been for going there - they would have been demolished if they hadn't been bought and renovated using cash from outside the area.

It is a balance though and even places like Southwold are becoming too touristy... Independent stores are closing down and chain shops taking over as the retail rents have risen. I used to have the option of buying almost everything that I would need when visiting there. Now, unless I want a designer jacket or Costa coffee I would have to go to Lowestoft's out if town shopping parks...

Back to the OP, people really shouldn't be visiting their second homes after the lockdown started but I can understand why some people might want to escape to their second homes if their normal residence isn't a great place to stay 24/7. There is no excuse for travelling back and forth between properties or work.

 

[Captain Pants]

Many visitors stay in many of these second homes and use the same services.

I hear that a lot, but I don’t believe it to be the case. Holiday rental properties, in the main are owned by people who live locally and run as a business. There are some 2nd homes managed by holiday rental companies, but vast numbers are used for a few weeks a year and sit empty for the remainder or occupied only at weekends. The owners are wealthy enough to do that and don't want the hoi polloi staying in their homes. It’s obviously a good investment as well. I’m not claiming these problems are unique to Cornwall, the UK housing market is dysfunctional in many ways and this is but one example.

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[eddie]

I’m not claiming these problems are unique to Cornwall, the UK housing market is dysfunctional in many ways and this is but one example.

In your opinion

 

[Captain Pants]

In your opinion

Who’s would you like?

 

[eddie]

Who’s would you like?

Tend to prefer fact than opinion when some one claims that something is dysfunctional!

This would be better:-

"I’m not claiming these problems are unique to Cornwall, In my opinion, the UK housing market is dysfunctional in many ways and this is but one example. "

 

[Minxy]

Tend to prefer fact than opinion when some one claims that something is dysfunctional!

This would be better:-

"I’m not claiming these problems are unique to Cornwall, In my opinion, the UK housing market is dysfunctional in many ways and this is but one example. "

... it depends if you give any credence to whoever is expressing the opinion Eddie!

 

[Captain Pants]

Tend to prefer fact than opinion when some one claims that something is dysfunctional!

This would be better:-

"I’m not claiming these problems are unique to Cornwall, In my opinion, the UK housing market is dysfunctional in many ways and this is but one example. "

Thank you for the correction. In my opinion it is a fact that the UK housing market is dysfunctional in many ways.

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