Second home owners reprimanded?

[PaddyM]

A neighbour of mine has been visited by her son and daughter everyday since the lockdown , reported it on the Police Covid hotline online. , result.......... they still visit everyday .

 

[Paulypaul]

If anyone feels strongly about those who are NOT observing 'lockdown' then rather than whinge about it report them ... it isn't just about them or you, it's about the whole of the country's population who could be affected in due course.



If I observed someone consistently doing it then I would report it ... if you have scruples do it!

That was the basic premis of the original post. The Police were informed by a resident in the village of people (second home owners) not complying to the lockdown regime.....and they did absolutely nothing?

A neighbour of mine has been visited by her son and daughter everyday since the lockdown , reported it on the Police Covid hotline online. , result.......... they still visit everyday .

But the party line on the tele and radio is that the Police are going to crackdown and get tough on these types of people? Another PR stunt to try and get some credibility for the failing organisation?

OK, in some regions the old bill may be stepping up, and in some regions, over stepping, but here in Norfolk, they aint worth a light.

 

[suavecarve]

I dont get this Boris bashing at all in relation to him being at Chequers.

He has been in hospital, in the ICU, I think we can all agree on that.

He has been released.

He is not going back to his place of work as he has to recuperate, but be able to have the ability to work.

So he has not moved from Downing St to Chequers for the weekend. He has permanently started his recuperation in a place of erm recuperation having been discharged from Hospital.

This is surely a situation in the national interests or am i missing something completely....like an extremely flawed easy pop at someone from a position of bias, which is showing true colours

 

[Minxy]

That was the basic premis of the original post. The Police were informed by a resident in the village of people (second home owners) not complying to the lockdown regime.....and they did absolutely nothing?

Actually it wasn't ... the issue is that there hasn't been a 'formal' complaint made about the others - I assume it has to be a phone call to the Police so it can be logged rather than talking to the police officers in attendance who can't just go knocking on doors willy-nilly for the sake of it:

The neighbour who lives in the cottage next door (not sure if this is the complainant) asked the Police if that was all they were doing and whether they were going to do the rounds in the village to the other 3 second homes, particularly the people in the big property who have had gardeners there and visitors etc? They replied saying that they were only acting on a complaint received about this property and didn't intend knocking on anyone else's door.

So if a formal complaint is made about the others perhaps they WILL be dealt with too.

 

[Paulypaul]

Actually it wasn't ... the issue is that there hasn't been a 'formal' complaint made about the others - I assume it has to be a phone call to the Police so it can be logged rather than talking to the police officers in attendance who can't just go knocking on doors willy-nilly for the sake of it:

So if a formal complaint is made about the others perhaps they WILL be dealt with too.

So your reasoning is that if you see a crime being committed and then coincidentally see some police, and you decide to tell the police what you have seen, they won't or shouldn't act on your information because you havent phoned and had it logged?

I dont know to what extent the police were informed, whether it was an anonymous call or whether the complainant had it logged? All I know is that the police attended and when they were approached (I presume at a distance of 2m) and told about other ongoing breaches of the legislation, they decided to just hop back into their car and get their blinkers on while driving out of the village.

That was the premis of the original post.

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[PeteH]

I don't like "home". I've never liked home wherever it is/was ,and spend the least time in it as possible. So for me it's a nightmare especially as it is far stricter here. Although I am managing to comply.

That`s an interesting quote. I too get very restless if I don`t get away somewhere regularly. I am in my 12th "home" in my life, As a Young man, I had nearly 20years as a M-N Engineer, when I "swallowed the anchor" as they say. My job(s) have always had a large travel element to them. I hate offices and Factory floors, On site work has always been favourite. I enjoyed a few years as a night trunk driver Watching the sun come up on an open road in summer? . The Motorhome is my lifeline, not necessarily a full timer, but a must get away regularly thing. The 5 years we had spending time cruising the USA, was the highlight of a lifetime. In fact getting old and finding it more and more difficult to retain licences and get travel insurance especially at reasonable cost is becoming a right PIA due to the "Ageist" agenda persued by many organisations!. I can see opportunities to make use of the M-H currently without inconveniencing anyone, but the usual suspects are out there with the vigilante attitude and I don`t wish to start a war over it. So I am just sitting tight. But that don`t make it easy!.

 

[iandsm]

That was the basic premis of the original post. The Police were informed by a resident in the village of people (second home owners) not complying to the lockdown regime.....and they did absolutely nothing?



But the party line on the tele and radio is that the Police are going to crackdown and get tough on these types of people? Another PR stunt to try and get some credibility for the failing organisation?

OK, in some regions the old bill may be stepping up, and in some regions, over stepping, but here in Norfolk, they aint worth a light.

Ah, all becomes clear now this is all just an excuse to have another pop at the police isn't it.
Tell you what, why not make a great big sign "Isolate, stay at home, preferably not you holiday home" put it up in the front garden or attach to your house, that will get the message over. While you'r at it report everyone you see outside by phoning the police, then you can have a great time complaining about their tardiness in dealing with your matter. Of course that may involve you walking around the village to see who and when they visit first hand and remaining on patrol to see who complies but that may be difficult as you'r supposed to inside. Stay safe out there

 

[Paulypaul]

Ah, all becomes clear now this is all just an excuse to have another pop at the police isn't it.
Tell you what, why not make a great big sign "Isolate, stay at home, preferably not you holiday home" put it up in the front garden or attach to your house, that will get the message over. While you'r at it report everyone you see outside by phoning the police, then you can have a great time complaining about their tardiness in dealing with your matter. Of course that may involve you walking around the village to see who and when they visit first hand and remaining on patrol to see who complies but that may be difficult as you'r supposed to inside. Stay safe out there

Ahh, I get it! You dont like anyone who dares criticise the Police? No, this isn't an excuse to have a pop at the old bill, this is a genuine concern that the police didn't act in the manner they prophesied that they would to "serve and protect".
As for your suggestion that I should call the police etc, i wouldn't bother even trying to call the old bill as i know fruitless that would be.
I do admire retired cops for their loyalty to the service but you do get a bit touchy if someone doesn't hold them in the highest of regard as you do yourself.
It's obviously an old trait that is difficult to shrug off and typical of the police. If faced with criticism then divert the unwanted attention by trying to discredit the person by making spurious allegations without considering the facts. Quite amusing but very predictable.

 

[iandsm]

Ahh, I get it! You dont like anyone who dares criticise the Police? No, this isn't an excuse to have a pop at the old bill, this is a genuine concern that the police didn't act in the manner they prophesied that they would to "serve and protect".
As for your suggestion that I should call the police etc, i wouldn't bother even trying to call the old bill as i know fruitless that would be.
I do admire retired cops for their loyalty to the service but you do get a bit touchy if someone doesn't hold them in the highest of regard as you do yourself.
It's obviously an old trait that is difficult to shrug off and typical of the police. If faced with criticism then divert the unwanted attention by trying to discredit the person by making spurious allegations without considering the facts. Quite amusing but very predictable.

All I would say is

I don't mind deserved criticism.
I haven't made any allegations so far as I can see, merely an observation on you motives rightly or wrongly that's how you post comes over.
Probably better to let the matter rest there.

 

[funflair]

Your continued insistence that any local who sells a house in the West Country is ‘greedy’ is quite bizarre. Have you ever sold a house on the open market? If so, does that make you ‘greedy‘ too?

Our next door neighbour sold her house, it eventually went to sealed bids and she eventually took the lowest one because she liked the lady and wanted her family and grandchildren to enjoy the garden which they do.

Martin

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[eddie]

Our next door neighbour sold her house, it eventually went to sealed bids and she eventually took the lowest one because she liked the lady and wanted her family and grandchildren to enjoy the garden which they do.

Martin

What a great gesture, shows that some people do care more about the Community that they live in than taking the highest offer, thus making them part of the problem

What a nice lady

 

[eddie]

Ahh, I get it! You dont like anyone who dares criticise the Police? No, this isn't an excuse to have a pop at the old bill, this is a genuine concern that the police didn't act in the manner they prophesied that they would to "serve and protect".
As for your suggestion that I should call the police etc, i wouldn't bother even trying to call the old bill as i know fruitless that would be.
I do admire retired cops for their loyalty to the service but you do get a bit touchy if someone doesn't hold them in the highest of regard as you do yourself.
It's obviously an old trait that is difficult to shrug off and typical of the police. If faced with criticism then divert the unwanted attention by trying to discredit the person by making spurious allegations without considering the facts. Quite amusing but very predictable.

Rather than get het up and upset, why don't you simply phone the Police and ask them why they didn't take action given your interpretation of the Governments advice?

It could be that the people rent what you believe to be their "other" property and had been asked to leave or the tenancy had come to an end?

We know from other posts on here that full timers have been told to relocate back to the area that the vehicle is registered in by the Police

There may be a simple explanation

 

[funflair]

What a great gesture, shows that some people do care more about the Community that they live in than taking the highest offer, thus making them part of the problem

What a nice lady

She was an absolute classic, one of those people who had an opinion on most things but could talk about anything with anybody and you could guarantee they never forgot her, I say was as sadly she is no longer with us but she left some great memories.

Martin

 

[Minxy]

Our next door neighbour sold her house, it eventually went to sealed bids and she eventually took the lowest one because she liked the lady and wanted her family and grandchildren to enjoy the garden which they do.

Martin

Was that to a local or an outsider?

 

[Captain Pants]

Our next door neighbour sold her house, it eventually went to sealed bids and she eventually took the lowest one because she liked the lady and wanted her family and grandchildren to enjoy the garden which they do.

Martin

If it went to sealed bids it seems likely that potential buyers were offering above the asking price, so nice gesture but hardly a great sacrifice on behalf of the community as some would suggest. I’ve been in exactly the same situation when selling a house in Weymouth via full & final offer. Two couples absolutely desperate to buy, a pair of miserable teachers and a nice young family. I sold it to the latter because I liked them and their love for the house was obvious.

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[MattR]

hmm.

could die of a heart attack as well.

what we actually
2m rule strictly observed.

all, yep all items bought washed in soapy water

all hands sanitised as soon as boot packed

all door handles sanitized .

Hands washed again

chances virtually zilch.

only real danger is someone sneezing or coughing.

oh and no touching face.

got a scrtachy stick thing if i get an itch

this thing spreads by touching face nose and eyes, from hands or sneeze cough off someone else.

i am playing devil's advocate though just to push the boundaries and chew the fat!.

i reckon we will be self isolating as much as possible into next year when hopefully we can get a jab.

Do you sanitise your shoes when you get home?

 

[funflair]

Was that to a local or an outsider?

Directly across the road

 

[Minxy]

So your reasoning is that if you see a crime being committed and then coincidentally see some police, and you decide to tell the police what you have seen, they won't or shouldn't act on your information because you havent phoned and had it logged?

I dont know to what extent the police were informed, whether it was an anonymous call or whether the complainant had it logged? All I know is that the police attended and when they were approached (I presume at a distance of 2m) and told about other ongoing breaches of the legislation, they decided to just hop back into their car and get their blinkers on while driving out of the village.

That was the premis of the original post.

It depends on what it is I assume ... someone doing something illegal, such as carrying out a burglary, at the time the Police are there is a completely different thing to someone who 'allegedly' is using their second and/or holiday home against the govt guidance ... put in an official report and see what happens instead of your assumption that 'they won't do anything'. I would imagine they have a lot of stuff to do at the moment without following up on 'possible' misdemeanours (or whatever it's classed as), when no formal complaint has been made to them so it can be logged and acted upon appropriately.

 

[suavecarve]

It depends on what it is I assume ... someone doing something illegal, such as carrying out a burglary, at the time the Police are there is a completely different thing to someone who 'allegedly' is using their second and/or holiday home against the govt guidance ... put in an official report and see what happens instead of your assumption that 'they won't do anything'. I would imagine they have a lot of stuff to do at the moment without following up on 'possible' misdemeanours (or whatever it's classed as), when no formal complaint has been made to them so it can be logged and acted upon appropriately.

Minxy, telling a police officer is reporting the matter. They are duty bound to take the report. It is a pain in the backside at times for Officers and very often met with "Call it in" as they try to get to their next job.

 

[Minxy]

Minxy, telling a police officer is reporting the matter. They are duty bound to take the report. It is a pain in the backside at times for Officers and very often met with "Call it in" as they try to get to their next job.

That's what I thought but in reality whilst they are being heavily scrutinised by the public, criticised etc, their not going on to a 'job' which they have already been tasked with to do, and instead check on a 'possible' infringement which is not immediately urgent is the point I was trying to make. If a call is made and it is logged in the 'system', rather than just speaking to them, then it would be harder for it to be 'ignored'.

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[suavecarve]

That's what I thought but in reality whilst they are being heavily scrutinised by the public, criticised etc, their not going on to a 'job' which they have already been tasked with to do, and instead check on a 'possible' infringement which is not immediately urgent is the point I was trying to make. If a call is made and it is logged in the 'system', rather than just speaking to them, then it would be harder for it to be 'ignored'.

They wouldnt dream of "ignoring" it. They would prioritise it appropriately

 

[Tanya_and_Mick]

I wonder if the time and passion to position ones view on a Motorhome forum was put into practice with driving communications to the local and county accountable personnel for Police, in conjunction with constant communication to the local MP - and a demand for updates from all three - perhaps a difference could have been made.......

Having bought and sold properties in local Norfolk / Suffolk villages and listened first hand to the outsiders vs local being priced out in my experiences it’s tosh

Local’s want as much as they can get for their property and they don’t care who they sell it too

Local businesses, pubs, shops, post offices, etc rely on so called outsiders to ply their trade and exist

Plus on occasion when I have had to engage with the Norfolk constabulary they have provided a great service

 

[Ivory55]

There is a lot of small builders who live locally which earn a good living working on 2nd home owners
Places around here.

 

[eddie]

Its all just envy

 

[Captain Pants]

Its all just envy

You’ve said that several times now, but it doesn’t make it any less tosh than last time.

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[Paulypaul]

Its all just envy

Wow, if someone shows concern for the vulnerable members of the community who have had their safety potentially compromised its categorised as either "envy" or "police bashing" neither of which are correct. I'll carry on getting concerned for the old folk round here and try to keep helping them where I can and I'll carry on feeling aggrieved that certain types of people are oblivious to that concept. And I wont feel any envy whilst doing so.

 

[Captain Pants]

There is a lot of small builders who live locally which earn a good living working on 2nd home owners
Places around here.

Of course there are, so that’s the criteria we should use to evaluate the implications on closed schools, closed shops, destruction of communities, loss of public transport, loss of areas of outstanding natural beauty, and unaffordable housing for local people is it?

 

[Tanya_and_Mick]

Its all just envy

In the spirit of rule one in commenting on the post rather than the poster....

whenever how many ‘acres’ and ‘range rovers’ are mentioned - which has no bearing on the dna of the post - envy has to be considered....

 

[Ivory55]

Look I agree with you, nobody hás suffered and had it as bad as Cornwall . Nobody else in the country has any problems at all . Does that make you feel better.

 

[Ivory55]

Prince William has just been on the news video broadcasting from Kensington palace. I guess he must be teleporting between sandringham and there. Can not believe anybody would commute between their holiday homes and London.

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