P&O Ferries told to stay in port

[cyberyacht]

It is much, much more than £10m - if you go back a page or two, then you can see.

I was basing on #344 by Langtoftlad

 

[Ivory55]

Maybe around central distribution hubs, and down south, definitely not up the far north

I have said before, for all the headline numbers there is an awful lot of also rans

 

[DuxDeluxe]

I was basing on #344 by Langtoftlad

Yes, that was based on minimum wages and common across all ranks using the lowest common denominator. Those staff are were very, very well paid indeed with them negotiated by the most militant union in the UK every year. As posted before…. think TFL tube driver rates

 

[nicholsong]

Aircrew are shore based. Seafarers are ship based on a ship not registered in UK. That is a huge difference

But do not ships' crews have an initial 'Port of embarkation' and if they are discharged at a port away from the Port of Embarkation they must be repatriated there at the company's expense?

Therefore for living and tax purposes that port of embarkation would be their country of residence.

 

[Jonny1953]

But do not ships' crews have an initial 'Port of embarkation' and if they are discharged at a port away from the Port of Embarkation they must be repatriated there at the company's expense?

Therefore for living and tax purposes that port of embarkation would be their country of residence.

I joined a ship in Suez once, does that mean that I should have paid Egyptian taxes?

Seafarers pay taxes not according to where they live, the country that the ship is registered in nor where they join the ship, but it is where the “crewing” company is based, most of the time when I was at sea it was Guernsey

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[Coolcats]

Yes, that was based on minimum wages and common across all ranks using the lowest common denominator. Those staff are were very, very well paid indeed with them negotiated by the most militant union in the UK every year. As posted before…. think TFL tube driver rates

Good for the Tube Drivers, who is to say they should earn less? It is after all a responsible job with unsocial hours and responsibilities.

 

[joe and sue]

Decent pay rises ? What about all the time that the market was flooded with cheap Labour suppressing wages, does that just get forgotten about

Don't forget we must not cite history to learn from, If you had made that comment on Farcebook someone would have been offended by now !!

 

[Ivory55]

Don't forget we must not cite history to learn from, If you had made that comment on Farcebook someone would have been offended by now !!

I am suitably told off, haha

 

[joe and sue]

I am suitably told off, haha

Not telling you off, totally agree with you, just got too much time on my hands, nee to find something to do !!

 

[DuxDeluxe]

Good for the Tube Drivers, who is to say they should earn less? It is after all a responsible job with unsocial hours and responsibilities.

Yes, I quite agree, good for them if they have a management weak and incompetent enough to let them do it. Best of luck to them.

I am not going to discuss the rights and wrongs of TFL so don’t even try……… merely comparing salary associations.

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[Ivory55]

All we have to know is, those that have it or are getting it want to keep it and don’t want those that have not got it to get it.

 

[TM59]

I used Brittany Ferries Ireland, from Bilbao to Rosslaire at the weekend and noted they sail under the Cypriot Flag. Crew certainly weren’t French or Irish. Irish Ferries made the same move many years ago. Much was said at the time with Irish Ferries but now their ferries to France are generally full and well supported. There may be a business case for P&O but morally and legally I believe they got it wrong.

 

[Gromett]

P&O Ferries boss Peter Hebblethwaite has admitted to MPs that a decision to sack 800 workers last week without consulting the unions broke the law.

He said there was "absolutely no doubt" that under UK employment law the firm was required to consult unions before making the mass cuts.

"We chose not to consult and we are, and will, compensate everybody in full for that," he said.

He said no union would have accepted P&O's job slashing plans

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-60862933


So when Boris said this and got slammed for not knowing what he was on about, turns out he was maybe correct?

 

[dash300]

P&O Ferries boss Peter Hebblethwaite has admitted to MPs that a decision to sack 800 workers last week without consulting the unions broke the law.

He said there was "absolutely no doubt" that under UK employment law the firm was required to consult unions before making the mass cuts.

"We chose not to consult and we are, and will, compensate everybody in full for that," he said.

He said no union would have accepted P&O's job slashing plans

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-60862933


So when Boris said this and got slammed for not knowing what he was on about, turns out he was maybe correct?

Another Boris bashers bubble burst! The government test now is not to let P and O buy themselves out of a prosecution and subsequent sanctions.

 

[DuxDeluxe]

Another Boris bashers bubble burst! The government test now is not to let P and O buy themselves out of a prosecution and subsequent sanctions.

That will no doubt be for the courts to decide, so P&O will face the music. It looks like they did a thorough risk assessment and decided that possible costs and punishment was worth the risk

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[DDJC]

That will no doubt be for the courts to decide, so P&O will face the music. It looks like they did a thorough risk assessment and decided that possible costs and punishment was worth the risk

I wonder if they factored in the loss of business as customers two-finger them?

I only ever use the Tunnel, Pembroke-Rosslare or Holyhead-Dublin, so my boycotting P and O doesn't amount to anything. But I have written to my MP asking that the Government pull any and all contracts and investment with P and O (and DP world more widely), and to get the furlough money back off them.

 

[Ivory55]

P & O will offer big discounts and people will rush back to use them, and it will be posted on here what a rip off the other companies are charging more then P & O . What people say and what people do are 2 different things.

 

[bobnick]

If it suits my itin i will use.......if they are sailing.
BUT, normally use the tunnel anyway.

 

[makems]

Apparently P&O are looking to book entertainers for the Hull/Holland route and not ebing very successful. (so my showbiz pals are telling me)

 

[15isto2]

Apparently P&O are looking to book entertainers for the Hull/Holland route and not ebing very successful. (so my showbiz pals are telling me)

They could use their PR dept/Management, they are a bit of a joke

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[Coolcats]

Maybe they are paying £1.80 an hour and the people in the entertainment industry have not stopped laughing

 

[gus-lopez]

Aircrew are shore based. Seafarers are ship based on a ship not registered in UK. That is a huge difference

Fair enough if they never leave the ship but,unless the off duty crews are 'living ' on the ship when off duty , where are they staying? That's where they are resident under EU rules after 90 days as non EU citizens.

 

[DuxDeluxe]

Fair enough if they never leave the ship but,unless the off duty crews are 'living ' on the ship when off duty , where are they staying? That's where they are resident under EU rules after 90 days as non EU citizens.

They live on the ship……. Unless going ashore for a spot of shore leave, which is permitted

 

[DDJC]

P & O will offer big discounts and people will rush back to use them, and it will be posted on here what a rip off the other companies are charging more then P & O . What people say and what people do are 2 different things.

Maybe some, but I'd like to believe that many people have morals sufficient to go elsewhere. Still until they start from where I want and finish at where I want to be, my boycott is a non starter.

 

[RidersofRohan]

What protection?. If you mean there are more jobs available I couldn't agree more but as we've seen with p and o if jobs effectively move to another country rather than there's increaed competition because other workers move here there won't be the jobs available anymore at minimum wage as they're going to be done in another part of the world for much less. There will be a short term increase in wages due to labour shortages then the outsourcing is going to accelerate along with inflation. There's only one way out of low wages in the long run increased productivity and a higher skilled workforce ( well I suppose thats two!)

Nothing to do with more jobs. It’s because we have cut the supply of cheap labour from abroad, so pushing wage rates up in those low paid industries that previously enjoyed the flow of that cheap labour.
Outsourcing has been going on for many years and will probably always be there, your prognosis for Britain’s low paid is very depressing and seemingly inevitable according to you, but I think some industries have now realised that the stretched supply lines caused by outsourcing abroad are not such a good idea anymore.

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[The Wino]

Nothing to do with more jobs. It’s because we have cut the supply of cheap labour from abroad, so pushing wage rates up in those low paid industries that previously enjoyed the flow of that cheap labour.
Outsourcing has been going on for many years and will probably always be there, your prognosis for Britain’s low paid is very depressing and seemingly inevitable according to you, but I think some industries have now realised that the stretched supply lines caused by outsourcing abroad are not such a good idea anymore.

I'm not a total pessimist only for those unwilling take the opportunity to become more skilled. Higher wages here are bound to lead to increased costs unless caused by increased productivity. The consumer won't pay higher prices if overseas products are cheaper removal of restrictions on goods like lamb etc will reduce incomes further.

 

[EuroTrotters]

Ive often wondered why an almost empty ship (few tourism/passengers) commanded a Price on the former P&O North Sea Hull-Zeebrugge route of say £300 one-way. When surely, trying to fill at £150 would bring more travellers and profit?.

But that's a layman's point of view..........

 

[uzsnowdrop]

You can go on about this as much as you like but the fact remains if p&o were losing that much every year it would only be a matter of time before they folded then there would be no jobs for anyone.

And the Unions seemingly knew nothing about it….

 

[RidersofRohan]

I'm not a total pessimist only for those unwilling take the opportunity to become more skilled. Higher wages here are bound to lead to increased costs unless caused by increased productivity. The consumer won't pay higher prices if overseas products are cheaper removal of restrictions on goods like lamb etc will reduce incomes further.

Not a total pessimist no, but not far off.
How do HGV drivers, bus drivers, etc improve their skills and increase their productivity. Drive ever larger vehicles? Not really possible and similarly not possible to outsource the 36 Leeds to Harrogate bus with a Chinese based company driver.
The consumer won’t pay more then they have to. I agree.
But imagine a clothing company whose goods are imported from the Far East by container every six months. Sizes, styles, colours, trousers, jackets, boots, socks, hats, a multiplicity of individual lines. By the end of the season popular lines have sold out long ago, but less popular ones are hanging on the rails like a bad smell. They are discounted out of the door at 50% off. Can the bottom line be improved by continuous local supply? Popular lines sold at full price are re ordered through the season, slow sellers in reduced initial order are also sold out at full price, impossible to do with lead times from the Far East... okay I’m an optimist. We will never agree.

 

[olley]

The markup on imported clothing from Asia is huge, even at a 50% discount its still cheaper than having it made in the UK.

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