One of these crazy new mask regulations

[gus-lopez]

Now there we do have a meeting of minds. But try telling it?, without being accused of being a Racist!. It is an isssue of CULTURE, and nothing at all to do with the colour of skin.

I'd just deny all & any type of treatment to those who fail to comply.

 

[glenn2926]

Well, I’ve just got back from the supermarket (Sainsbury’s for information) and I won’t have a moan about the youngsters again. All wearing face coverings correctly, nice social distancing etc. However the bloody oldies, most wearing mask under their noses. Too stupid to wear them correctly. No idea re social distancing, standing in the middle of the aisle whilst dithering over what they want instead of standing to one side.
Give me the younger better educated, better behaved every time.

 

[Tony50]

If your worrying about the Waitress not wearing a mask you should really consider asking to see if the kitchen staff / chefs are masked up before ordering.

I should have asked I agree, my mistake their fault and mine

 

[busby]

Staff are not required to wear masks.
Logical?
But thems the rules.

You don't need to wear a mask either - you can drive a coach & horses through the exemptions.

The public are unlikely to buy into mask wearing as it doesn't protect the wearer... majority not interested in protecting strangers.

Have not seen a non wearer yet it any supermarket i have visited.Plenty of people about thank goodness with a little common sense and a responsibility to their fellow man..BUSBY.

 

[XxAnthxX]

What's next - wear gloves and nightclubs & theatres can open?

If you wear a condom can brothels re open?

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[Tony50]

I emailed Premier Inn customer relations, and they were surprised the waiters were not wearing masks, and were looking into it.

 

[Glas Robin]

So wrong on many Levels, 1) British Govt; where not responsible for the disease. The Chinese Govt; However are fully complicit. 2) The TYPE of masks readily available are less than effective at preventing transmission of anything, they are a cosmetic sop to Media Hype!. I have one I used for Paint Spraying, It has disposable filters and seals to cover Mouth and Nose, even that is NOT certified for Bacterium!. 3) Stupidity IS the forte of much of the UK Population they take as "gospel" whatever the Media, and especially "Social Media" churns out. An old journalistic "saw" is "Never mind the Truth, so long as it sells" (Randolph Hurst I think?).

However, we will agree upon one thing, Bureaucrats, could not organise said "piss up", the very idea that a Bureaucrat could give sound advice to his minister is an oxymoron. That`s another thing the "public" forget, Ministers take advice, they rarely have the time to do the legwork needed to make decisions. IF their decisions are flawed, It is usually because some mandarin has an agenda!. Hence IMV why Priti Patel is under fire for allegedly "pushing out" her "mandarin". He was clearly incompetent.

I’m sorry to say PeteH but this is just more ill-informed and prejudiced nonsense from start to finish. Please read my post #74. I really don’t mean to be pompous, but you migh learn something.

Not one single statement in your post is correct (except perhaps the paint spraying statement). However, you don’t need fancy paint-spraying respirators - simple, cheap FFP3 masks filter out 99% of particles down to 0.5. microns in size, including viruses. That’s why they’re worn in ITU to protect NHS staff.

The evidence on the benefits of wearing cloth masks exists and is getting stronger. I was initially dubious, fearing the behaviour changes. But, with a professional interest in keeping patients and staff safe, I have looked at and am convinced by the evidence. I wear a simple cloth mask in all indoors settings where other people are - even though it’s not mandated in Wales, it is where I workin England.

When you say “The TYPE of masks readily available are less than effective at preventing transmission of anything, they are a cosmetic sop to Media Hype”, you are simply 100% wrong. Please stop repeating this nonsense - it is dangerous if other people listen to you and don’t think it is important to wear masks. Cloth masks are very effective at reducing transmission of droplet borne infections - especially important when so many coronavirus carriers are asymptomatic.

When you repeatedly say “the Chinese virus” or “the Chinese infection” you are a casual racist, and it is important that more enlightened folk call you out as such. Please keep your silly Trump-like prejudices to yourself. This virus does not have a nationality. It may have originated in China, but that is as “Chinese” as it gets. One can only guess at your motives for continuing to call it thus.

 

[Glas Robin]

When you say our government we're not responsible how do you explain the vastly different effects of the virus on the population of different countries other than by the demographics of the population combined with the actions of their governments?. Whether its a Chinese virus or not matters little at the moment what matters is how we can act to reduce its effect as much as possible. If face coverings are to protect others in case we are unknowingly infected and passing it on how daft would it be to expect someone else to wear a face covering to reduce the risk of them giving it me while not wearing one myself.
I'm reminded of the reaction of shops sometimes when they check my money to check its not counterfeit on the odd occasion I check the notes given back in change they often take offence!.
Face coverings are the same that prat Gove was right for once its common courtesy to wear one.

Many factors influence how the virus affects a particular country:

• Demographics
• Wealth and underlying health of the population
• Literacy
• Population density
• Geography and physical isolation
• Status as an international transport hub
• Housing stock
• Cultural and religious traditions
• Sophistication of health services
• Propensity to follow government advice
• Previous SARS outbreaks and subsequent pandemic preparedness
• Government competence

It is way too early to judge relative “performance”, and the crude measures of total reported deaths or rates per capita, or case fatality rates, are pretty poor measures.

It’s too early too judge because we are not through this yet. Apparently successful countries in the first wave, are now seeing significant numbers of new cases. You don’t call the Grand National winner after the first 3 fences.

It is too simple to judge government competence, as by and large all governments are following the same strategy (with the exception of the USA, Brazil and Sweden). Despite all the angst, the UK has been pretty much in the middle of the pack in terms of strategy, and bang on the median for when it initiated lockdown.

We can only really judge the full impact through measuring excess deaths over normal death rates, when we have 12 months of data.

And one final sobering thought, the non-Covid death and harm toll arising from the collateral impact of lockdown (economic, missed diagnosis/treatment, emotional, mental, etc) is likely to be many times higher than the direct Covid death toll.

 

[tonyidle]

Many factors influence how the virus affects a particular country:

• Demographics
• Wealth and underlying health of the population
• Literacy
• Population density
• Geography and physical isolation
• Status as an international transport hub
• Housing stock
• Cultural and religious traditions
• Sophistication of health services
• Propensity to follow government advice
• Previous SARS outbreaks and subsequent pandemic preparedness
• Government competence

It is way too early to judge relative “performance”, and the crude measures of total reported deaths or rates per capita, or case fatality rates, are pretty poor measures.

It’s too early too judge because we are not through this yet. Apparently successful countries in the first wave, are now seeing significant numbers of new cases. You don’t call the Grand National winner after the first 3 fences.

It is too simple to judge government competence, as by and large all governments are following the same strategy (with the exception of the USA, Brazil and Sweden). Despite all the angst, the UK has been pretty much in the middle of the pack in terms of strategy, and bang on the median for when it initiated lockdown.

We can only really judge the full impact through measuring excess deaths over normal death rates, when we have 12 months of data.

And one final sobering thought, the non-Covid death and harm toll arising from the collateral impact of lockdown (economic, missed diagnosis/treatment, emotional, mental, etc) is likely to be many times higher than the direct Covid death toll.

You're not going to go far on here if you keep talking sense .

 

[The Wino]

Yes, and perhaps a high percentage of BME taking part in those demonstrations , rather risky considering they are aware of their particular vulnerability to Covid19, perhaps it’s the gvts fault

I think there would have been a lot of bame protesters but also the champagne socialists and rent a mob. As far as I know bame people are no more likely to get it than anyone else just more likely that it would be serious so increased cases would not be af

Many factors influence how the virus affects a particular country:

• Demographics
• Wealth and underlying health of the population
• Literacy
• Population density
• Geography and physical isolation
• Status as an international transport hub
• Housing stock
• Cultural and religious traditions
• Sophistication of health services
• Propensity to follow government advice
• Previous SARS outbreaks and subsequent pandemic preparedness
• Government competence

It is way too early to judge relative “performance”, and the crude measures of total reported deaths or rates per capita, or case fatality rates, are pretty poor measures.

It’s too early too judge because we are not through this yet. Apparently successful countries in the first wave, are now seeing significant numbers of new cases. You don’t call the Grand National winner after the first 3 fences.

It is too simple to judge government competence, as by and large all governments are following the same strategy (with the exception of the USA, Brazil and Sweden). Despite all the angst, the UK has been pretty much in the middle of the pack in terms of strategy, and bang on the median for when it initiated lockdown.

We can only really judge the full impact through measuring excess deaths over normal death rates, when we have 12 months of data.

And one final sobering thought, the non-Covid death and harm toll arising from the collateral impact of lockdown (economic, missed diagnosis/treatment, emotional, mental, etc) is likely to be many times higher than the direct Covid death toll.

But neither are you going to win the grand national if you fall at one of the first three fences we do need some comparisons along the way there's no point when we have hindsight realising that we should have changed course ages ago but were too stubborn. When the government changed tack at the start it was a smart move. I think Spain at the moment is showing us that it's not going to be possible to just open everything and hope for the best. What's best for the economy as a whole might well be remained closure for some parts of it.

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[PeteH]

I’m sorry to say PeteH but this is just more ill-informed and prejudiced nonsense from start to finish. Please read my post #74. I really don’t mean to be pompous, but you migh learn something.

Not one single statement in your post is correct (except perhaps the paint spraying statement). However, you don’t need fancy paint-spraying respirators - simple, cheap FFP3 masks filter out 99% of particles down to 0.5. microns in size, including viruses. That’s why they’re worn in ITU to protect NHS staff.

The evidence on the benefits of wearing cloth masks exists and is getting stronger. I was initially dubious, fearing the behaviour changes. But, with a professional interest in keeping patients and staff safe, I have looked at and am convinced by the evidence. I wear a simple cloth mask in all indoors settings where other people are - even though it’s not mandated in Wales, it is where I workin England.

When you say “The TYPE of masks readily available are less than effective at preventing transmission of anything, they are a cosmetic sop to Media Hype”, you are simply 100% wrong. Please stop repeating this nonsense - it is dangerous if other people listen to you and don’t think it is important to wear masks. Cloth masks are very effective at reducing transmission of droplet borne infections - especially important when so many coronavirus carriers are asymptomatic.

When you repeatedly say “the Chinese virus” or “the Chinese infection” you are a casual racist, and it is important that more enlightened folk call you out as such. Please keep your silly Trump-like prejudices to yourself. This virus does not have a nationality. It may have originated in China, but that is as “Chinese” as it gets. One can only guess at your motives for continuing to call it thus.

No chance. The cheap masks do nothing, and those are they type the vast majority are wearing. And this is the 3rd (at least) infection from that part of the world in the last decade. Racism has nothing to do with it. It IS my View, But The Chinese, are complicit with covering up (at the very least) the extent of the infection. And WE are suffering as a direct Result. Bugger all to do with RACE. In fact I find that extremely OFFENSIVE.

I am so annoyed I will nor post further, except to say your attitude is what I expect from those who think they know it all.

 

[John Barrett]

No chance. The cheap masks do nothing, and those are they type the vast majority are wearing. And this is the 3rd (at least) infection from that part of the world in the last decade. Racism has nothing to do with it. It IS my View, But The Chinese, are complicit with covering up (at the very least) the extent of the infection. And WE are suffering as a direct Result. Bugger all to do with RACE. In fact I find that extremely OFFENSIVE.

I am so annoyed I will nor post further, except to say your attitude is what I expect from those who think they know it all.

Should we call it the 30.5928° N, 114.3055° E Virus? That might avoid the showing of the racist card when someone else doesn't like your perfectly valid point of view?

 

[XxAnthxX]

When you repeatedly say “the Chinese virus” or “the Chinese infection” you are a casual racist, and it is important that more enlightened folk call you out as such. Please keep your silly Trump-like prejudices to yourself. This virus does not have a nationality. It may have originated in China, but that is as “Chinese” as it gets. One can only guess at your motives for continuing to call it thus.

Should I worry about ‘enlightened‘ folk calling me out as a ‘casual racist’ if I refer to my Chinese tablet or Chinese electronic gadgets as such, as they ‘originated‘ in China or is it just ’prejudice’ if you reference a virus that originated there?

 

[John Barrett]

Should I worry about ‘enlightened‘ folk calling me out as a ‘casual racist’ if I refer to my Chinese tablet or Chinese electronic gadgets as such, as they ‘originated‘ in China or is it just ’prejudice’ if you reference a virus that originated there?

Are we allowed to use the word 'Pompous' on here when we refer to 'enlightened' folk?

 

[jdk62]

If you wear a condom can brothels re open?

Over your face?

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[XxAnthxX]

Over your face?

It’s the only way I’d fill one...

 

[tacr2man]

Well, I’ve just got back from the supermarket (Sainsbury’s for information) and I won’t have a moan about the youngsters again. All wearing face coverings correctly, nice social distancing etc. However the bloody oldies, most wearing mask under their noses. Too stupid to wear them correctly. No idea re social distancing, standing in the middle of the aisle whilst dithering over what they want instead of standing to one side.
Give me the younger better educated, better behaved every time.

such a generalization of both groups as to be almost of no informative value JMHO

 

[tacr2man]

Glas Robin Hong Kong Flu, Japanese smallpox epidemic Asian Flu , Russian flu, Spanish flu etc are accepted names that are based on regional designation , nothing to do with race , some people are not as enlightened as they think maybe

 

[movan]

If the "rules" are the ones issued by Boris and his Boys, I will take as much notice of them as his Head Boy Cummings does...

JJ

Two wrongs don't make a right, JJ... Why allow dh Cummings to encourage us to be equally stupid.

 

[Larrynwin]

I think there would have been a lot of bame protesters but also the champagne socialists and rent a mob. As far as I know bame people are no more likely to get it than anyone else just more likely that it would be serious so increased cases would not be af

But neither are you going to win the grand national if you fall at one of the first three fences we do need some comparisons along the way there's no point when we have hindsight realising that we should have changed course ages ago but were too stubborn. When the government changed tack at the start it was a smart move. I think Spain at the moment is showing us that it's not going to be possible to just open everything and hope for the best. What's best for the economy as a whole might well be remained closure for some parts of it.

Yes there would have been a mix of BAME and other protesters all of who were probably mainly young and consider themselves safe but they would not be the victims of any outbreak it would be those they go home to, my reference to the BAME folk is not their susceptibility to the virus but their vulnerability once they catch it as has been recently reported.
I would now add the increase in cases in Oldham which follows BLM protests during June.
I really don’t think the apparent link between these outbreaks and BLM mass protests is coincidental but is not likely to be nationally reported as would probably be seen to be anti BLM.

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[The Wino]

No chance. The cheap masks do nothing, and those are they type the vast majority are wearing. And this is the 3rd (at least) infection from that part of the world in the last decade. Racism has nothing to do with it. It IS my View, But The Chinese, are complicit with covering up (at the very least) the extent of the infection. And WE are suffering as a direct Result. Bugger all to do with RACE. In fact I find that extremely OFFENSIVE.

I am so annoyed I will nor post further, except to say your attitude is what I expect from those who think they know it all.

On the Chinese covering it up bit I remember at the start of the year the proper lockdown over there being extensively reported on our news while we were being told by our elected leaders to not panic and keep shaking hands!

 

[Hirsch]

If you wear a condom can brothels re open?

It would on the face of it seem logical

 

[PeteH]

On the Chinese covering it up bit I remember at the start of the year the proper lockdown over there being extensively reported on our news while we were being told by our elected leaders to not panic and keep shaking hands!

Whilst, We are warned to be sceptical about "reports" and "fake" news. At the very start of the latest pandemic to come out of China (at least the third, and worst, in the last decade) there where disturbing reports of Chinese Doctors and Scientists being "gagged" and even imprisoned. There was also an unverified report which disturbingly made a quite valid case for the virus source having been a Chinese government laboratory near to Wuhan. I thought I had copied and filed it, but cannot find it at present.

As for our current leaders, would the so called opposition have done better?. I seriously doubt anyone could have. But it`s comforting to criticise with the benefit of hindsight.

 

[P Jones]

I do not know what some people do not UNDERSTAND about wearing a face mask. It is bloody obvious that they help prevent the spread of this very dangerous virus. Why does the front line workers all wear them ? It’ obvious it helps stop the spread of “ droplets “

I am nearly 76 and definitely do not want to gamble with my future, if I went into somewhere for a meal and I noticed that the server was not wearing a face shield or mask I would not place an order.

I’m not the brightest spark in the box, ( my mother’s words ) but I am not “ addle brained “ like a lot of today’s younger generation that do not seem to care about anyone else than theirselves. There are however quite a large number of our older population who need educating about how to avoid passing on the virus.

That’s the end of this evenings “ rant “.

BernieT

oh it is, is it. you will be on your box next, happy days, ok.pj.

 

[MattR]

Glas Robin Hong Kong Flu, Japanese smallpox epidemic Asian Flu , Russian flu, Spanish flu etc are accepted names that are based on regional designation , nothing to do with race , some people are not as enlightened as they think maybe

You are right about enlightenment. More required. https://www.sapiens.org/column/conflicted/coronavirus-name/

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[John Barrett]

You are right about enlightenment. More required. https://www.sapiens.org/column/conflicted/coronavirus-name/

More an anti-Trump rant than pure enlightenment...

 

[MattR]

More an anti-Trump rant than pure enlightenment...

May not be pure enlightenment but enough to show that naming a disease after a country etc is not considered appropriate.

Moreover, the World Health Organization condemns the practice of naming diseases for places. The agency has said it particularly regrets allowing the term MERS to enter into circulation. In its official guidelines for naming novel diseases, WHO says, “cities, countries, regions, [or] continents” should be avoided in disease names because they unfairly stigmatize those places. It lists Lyme disease, MERS, and the Spanish flu as examples of inappropriate nomenclature.

And with Trump using the term "Chinese flu" there are loads of reports on the web as to why it is considered racist.

 

[Spriddler]

If you wear a condom can brothels re open?

Probably, but it'd be a struggle getting it over your head.

 

[Tigertom]

Over your face?

Isn’t that called a facial................oh ,you mean the condom

 

[34127]

Not one single statement in your post is correct (except perhaps the paint spraying statement). However, you don’t need fancy paint-spraying respirators - simple, cheap FFP3 masks filter out 99% of particles down to 0.5. microns in size, including viruses. That’s why they’re worn in ITU to protect NHS staff.

I agree with your comment about FFP3 masks but perhaps should point out that they are only effective if they are fitted correctly. The ITU staff will have been trained on how to fit them and more importantly they would have been tested to make sure they had an air tight seal. Some people can't use them because the shape or profile of their face that makes it impossible to get a seal. Also the ITU staff may well be using vented masks to make it easier for them to breath but they should not be used by general public as they do not stop the user from spreading airborne infections.

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