One of these crazy new mask regulations

[Ernesto]

I’m struggling with all this
Most masks are the wrong sort (too low quality to be effective) or are worn by people who dont know or don’t follow the correct protocol, thereby rendering them useless. It’s a political sop and the evidence of their effectiveness is flimsy to nonexistent.
I will wear one though out of respect for others, but I do think the fears of them not being used, is being overdone . ..

 

[maison]

I’m struggling with all this
Most masks are the wrong sort (too low quality to be effective) or are worn by people who dont know or don’t follow the correct protocol, thereby rendering them useless. It’s a political sop and the evidence of their effectiveness is flimsy to nonexistent.
I will wear one though out of respect for others, but I do think the fears of them not being used, is being overdone . ..

100% in agreement to all the above.

 

[JJ]

Probably not a great deal different than Portugal.

Really?

Is that what you actually believe?


JJ

 

[JJ]

I’m struggling with all this
Most masks are the wrong sort (too low quality to be effective) or are worn by people who dont know or don’t follow the correct protocol, thereby rendering them useless. It’s a political sop and the evidence of their effectiveness is flimsy to nonexistent.
I will wear one though out of respect for others, but I do think the fears of them not being used, is being overdone . ..

I agree with you... 100%.


JJ

 

[tacr2man]

as it says you decide , I have but as Ernesto will comply to not frighten the horses .

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[Just smiffy]

But I would rather not be killed by a tw_t being irresponsible by not wearing a mask

And I’d rather not nearly get run over last Wednesday By the tw_t who was adjusting his mask in the car....

 

[Pete5996]

I don't doubt that readily-available masks, of whatever type or quality, are probably less than 100% effective in preventing the spread or reception of the virus.

However, if they prevent, say, 80% of infected particles of flob being spread in either direction, that means my chances of being infected by someone in proximity, or me infecting someone else, are reduced fivefold - I'll settle for that......

 

[Tykatem]

Pete

 

[AXO66]

and remember to wash your hands before putting the mask on,

then after taking it off( it’s now full of germs) dispose, or bag up to wash, and then wash your hands!..............hmmmm

 

[Welsh girl]

Here, this morning in New Milton, Hampshire in morrisons the security guards are in full riot gear stopping anyone from going in without a mask. I think that's going a bit too far!

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[bigwood]

Had a bit of shopping to do today so we went to Lidle being our nearest. To our surprise there were people queing outside. When we got to the doors there was no one telling people when to go in. Strange thinks me.
The shoppers were all wearing masks as per the rules but the staff filling the shelves were not. When we got to the do it you’re self check out one of the staff helping customers had no face covering or gloves.
After all we have been through is it too much for people to make an effort.

 

[gus-lopez]

Here, this morning in New Milton, Hampshire in morrisons the security guards are in full riot gear stopping anyone from going in without a mask. I think that's going a bit too far!

Why ? Education .here they are polite , ask any why they aren't wearing them & thankfully won't hesitate to use the baton on the usual suspects. Not that you get many at all.

 

[joe and sue]

I haven’t heard of anyone catching Covid from food yet. Has anyone else?

Not the food but the conditions of kitchen and hygiene, have you ever been back of house at a KFC, I have when re-fitting some of them, Yuk

 

[pandas]

And I’d rather not nearly get run over last Wednesday By the tw_t who was adjusting his mask in the car....

Get you next time

 

[Wh05apk]

I haven’t heard of anyone catching Covid from food yet. Has anyone else?

I don't think I've heard of anyone having a confirmed source of infection, generally unable to determine the actual source. But tend to agree with you, if food is cooked hopefully virus is most likely killed, as for the plates being handled......

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[joe and sue]

I don't think I've heard of anyone having a confirmed source of infection, generally unable to determine the actual source. But tend to agree with you, if food is cooked hopefully baby virus is most likely killed, as for the plates being handled......

That's what i meant, the hygiene of the people and the conditions

 

[Barclaybasher]

Tell the old lady I met today who could hardly breathe wearing a mask but did so because she felt intimidated by those that did...........

Masks (most) are useless plus we don't know how to wear them - SO WHY?

 

[PeteH]

I’m struggling with all this
Most masks are the wrong sort (too low quality to be effective) or are worn by people who dont know or don’t follow the correct protocol, thereby rendering them useless. It’s a political sop and the evidence of their effectiveness is flimsy to nonexistent.
I will wear one though out of respect for others, but I do think the fears of them not being used, is being overdone . ..

Fully Agree.

And I’d rather not nearly get run over last Wednesday By the tw_t who was adjusting his mask in the car....

As Bad as those who still havent got the message about NOT texting whilst driving.!

The "rules" on wearing Masks are nothing more or less than a JOKE. Viz:- 1) Sub 11 years No!, why not? they are the Superspreaders and those most likely to have it and spread it. 2) Try telling a bunch of stroppy teens, who decide they are too macho to wear them, after all they have "rights". (or so they tell us?, as often as they like!!). 3) They only stop the wearer transmitting the Chinese Infection.

Having been in virtual "purdah" since early March, even before the "official" lockdown (another story). I am extremely unlikely to have any infection to Pass on!. Unlike those who have been ignoring all the social distancing, and going on Protest Marches! and vandalising public amenities over the alleged murder of an American Criminal!.

I will, and did yesterday at a deserted Garden Centre, wear one. But it is a POINTLESS exercise. And just more "wallpapering over the cracks".

 

[Mr porky]

Fully Agree.

As Bad as those who still havent got the message about NOT texting whilst driving.!

The "rules" on wearing Masks are nothing more or less than a JOKE. Viz:- 1) Sub 11 years No!, why not? they are the Superspreaders and those most likely to have it and spread it. 2) Try telling a bunch of stroppy teens, who decide they are too macho to wear them, after all they have "rights". (or so they tell us?, as often as they like!!). 3) They only stop the wearer transmitting the Chinese Infection.

Having been in virtual "purdah" since early March, even before the "official" lockdown (another story). I am extremely unlikely to have any infection to Pass on!. Unlike those who have been ignoring all the social distancing, and going on Protest Marches! and vandalising public amenities over the alleged murder of an American Criminal!.

I will, and did yesterday at a deserted Garden Centre, wear one. But it is a POINTLESS exercise. And just more "wallpapering over the cracks".

even if it prevents just 1 death surely that’s a good thing

 

[PeteH]

even if it prevents just 1 death surely that’s a good thing

I would not disagree. however I doubt their effectiveness to do even that. Far more people are still dying daily as result of actions of stupid car drivers!.

Fewer people would die if they had less stress on their systems by being overweight/obese.

Full NBC anyone?

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[scousebird]

My DIL is a doctor and she told us that mask wearing is because Boris' message of Be Alert and good old British common sense isn't working. He can't go back to his Stay at Home message as the economy is stuffed so something has to be done to try and prevent another lockdown.

I will wear a mask out of respect for others even though it's alien to me and especially out of respect to the thousands of NHS staff that saved many many lives while being masked, gowned and gloved in hot hospitals for 12/13/14 hours a day during lockdown.

 

[Ernesto]

even if it prevents just 1 death surely that’s a good thing

No. That’s flawed thinking in my view. I’m more supportive of the view that these masks are almost completely useless, can encourage people with mild symptoms to go out, and encourage people to stand closer together than they otherwise would. Arguably, mass wearing could cause more infections.
Now they’re talking about gloves too .... sigh

 

[Mr porky]

No. That’s flawed thinking in my view. I’m more supportive of the view that these masks are almost completely useless, can encourage people with mild symptoms to go out, and encourage people to stand closer together than they otherwise would. Arguably, mass wearing could cause more infections.
Now they’re talking about gloves too .... sigh

No. I think they help. We used masked before it was mandatory its just a shame it took the government so long to realise it’s essential to get the economy going again. we need to find a way for life to carry on, this helps.

 

[AXO66]

Suppose the point will come when I cough a “good un” into the mask, and see how much comes out the otherside

 

[PeteH]

No. I think they help. We used masked before it was mandatory its just a shame it took the government so long to realise it’s essential to get the economy going again. we need to find a way for life to carry on, this helps.

As always sir, you are entitled to your opinion. But I humbly suggest that the science only bears out the fact that the only one`s protected are others, not the wearer. Which also suggests that ONLY those symptomatic, are benefiting the rest?. As Per (joke) in earlier posting, ONLY full NBC will ensure protection at all times for it`s wearer!. Getting the economy going is going to require "Risk Taking". Using "common sense", avoiding close contact and a programme of Testing of anyone with even a minor symptom along with strict isolation until proof negative will reduce this Chinese infection spread, with the ultimate aim of a Vaccine to offset the numbers who suffer unnecessarily and deaths. This Disease is a Genie now out of the bottle, thanks to the crass behaviour of the Chinese Government (NOT ours) and containment and the mitigation of it`s effects is all we can expect in the long term.

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[autorouter]

But I humbly suggest that the science only bears out the fact that the only one`s protected are others, not the wearer. Which also suggests that ONLY those symptomatic, are benefiting the rest?

No it doesn't. Many of the infected 'superspreaders' were either totally asymptomatic or in the asymptomatic phase before symptoms appear. They didn't know they were infecting others. That is what the masks may possibly reduce. Not eliminate, just reduce, but that's a lot better than doing nothing.

 

[Langtoftlad]

Mask wearing is simply a justification for reducing the social distancing recommendations to enable more businesses [like pubs & restaurants ] to open.
The virus hasn't gone away, although the rate of infection has dropped... so the politicians can't suddenly say it's ok to reduce SD to 1m.
What's next - wear gloves and nightclubs & theatres can open?

 

[Langtoftlad]

If the case for mask wearing was proven, then it would be mandatory, no exceptions.
The type of mask would be also defined - not just any bit of manky old cloth.
Business would be regulated to not let anyone on the premises be 'unmasked' including employees...
Hazardous waste bins provided at ever exit to support proper disposal.

 

[tribalbrit]

If you can breath through it the virus can pass through it, simples!

 

[gus-lopez]

Sub 11 years No!, why not? they are the Superspreaders and those most likely to have it and spread it.

Only under age 6 not wearing them here. all 6 + mandatory

2) Try telling a bunch of stroppy teens, who decide they are too macho to wear them

Mace

Fewer people would die if they had less stress on their systems by being overweight/obese.

Exactly . First thing when requiring treatment should be the dietician like in the old days.

can encourage people with mild symptoms to go out, and encourage people to stand closer together than they otherwise would.

Why would any one with "mild symptoms" go out? Ar e they that stupid?
Masks don't make people stand closer here in fact it is the complete opposite. encroach on anyones 1,5m space & it is immediately jumped on.
The idea of the mask is not to protect you but to prevent the spread in case you have it.
In many cases, like the super spreader from Brighton who the first case on Mallorca was traced back to along with 10's of 000's of others, it would have prevented many infections due to the person not knowing they had it.
By not wearinga mask I look upon it that you are the same as someone threatening me witha gun or knife & won't hesitate to remove you from the equation. This includes employee''s .I would be making daily complaints to the supermarkets along the same line s that an employee without one is the same as a knife man

Suppose the point will come when I cough a “good un” into the mask, and see how much comes out the otherside

First thing you are usually asked here, definitely when entering a surgery or hospital, ."have you a fever?, do you feel unwel?, have you a cough?" If you actually cough you are likely to be removed & interrogated.

Entering an open air market this morning it is obligatory to wear gloves .They supply if you have none already on. Then you have to sanitise after which you are given a ticket. The face mask you are already wearing as it is mandatory anywhere outside. There is only one way in , even theough it is possible to enter by crossing police tape elsewhere but woe betide anyone doing it.
On exit you hand in the ticket .No ticket the police step in. If the policia local have aren't actually there then the security have the right to detain you.

If the case for mask wearing was proven, then it would be mandatory, no exceptions.
The type of mask would be also defined - not just any bit of manky old cloth.
Business would be regulated to not let anyone on the premises be 'unmasked' including employees...
Hazardous waste bins provided at ever exit to support proper disposal.

1) It is here
2)It is here
3)They are here & enforce it rigorously
4)They are here & sanitiser when exiting also & people are quick to complain if it has run out.

We do all the above & even then we appear to be looking at a second wave so you can look forward to it in the UK as France has a rising weekly amount also.

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