No transit France.

Potty said:
Definitely not just motor-homers. Heard of a family, U.K. citizens, Spanish residents, who have been visiting family for Christmas and cannot now get home. The parents need to get back to work and the children to school. They have tried the Spanish ferries, all full. They have dogs with them so cannot fly. They are now virtually homeless.
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Sorry but I'm calling Chinese whispers on this one. If they want to return home through France they can do. Whether they realise this is another matter.
 
Coolcats said:
There’s always a boat from Spain
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if yo can get on it. Apart from the fact that the scum also run that.
EuroTrotters said:
I’ve asked BF twice why they are not increasing capacity and still not had a response .
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They are French.
TDub49 said:
It's up to sovereign nations to decide what precautions they think are relevant to motivate this risk.
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No,they gave that up when entering the EU.EU rules take precedence
NicandJay said:
UK nationals, as well as residents in the United Kingdom, are exempt"
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& that says it all. " as well as residents" so permanent residents from eu countries in the Uk have no restrictions on them yet the french scum do the same as they did last year & deny Eu residents transitting rights. until they were made to change the rule under eu laws.Time for another complaint.
 
Carpmart said:
Everyone has been given the opportunity to get vaccinated. Flu and other respiratory diseases kill many people every year. Why are we treating this any different? The science no longer fully backs up the actions. France has given all its citizens the opportunity to take vaccine. I guess they have fully discharged their duty? Closing the border is not science or data based any longer, which is why our border reopened to African countries. What needs to change for the French to reopen the continent to us?
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Sorry to burst your bubble, but you don't have a God given right to visit France.
 
denisejoe said:
Don’t worry about Macron there is an election coming up
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If he doesn't get in there are going to be very long queues at the UK Channel Ports and Tunnel. M Macron is the only candidate in favour of keeping the Le Touquet Agreement.

Robert
 
At what point do we stop calling this a pandemic?? Less than 1% die from Convid and the majority of those are unvaccinated. Also - didn’t our government do well selling our share of euro tunnel to the French!!
 
Nice to see the voice of sweet reason alive and well on this thread. Another funster joins my "ignore" list.
 
Helen Ariel said:
Sorry but I'm calling Chinese whispers on this one. If they want to return home through France they can do. Whether they realise this is another matter.
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Latest from U.K. gov website. UK citizens not allowed to travel across France to residences in other EU countries. Also reports on lunchtime news if people being turned back at the tunnel and ferries.
www.gov.uk

Entry requirements - France travel advice

FCDO travel advice for France. Includes safety and security, insurance, entry requirements and legal differences.
www.gov.uk www.gov.uk
 
Carpmart said:
Everyone has been given the opportunity to get vaccinated. Flu and other respiratory diseases kill many people every year. Why are we treating this any different? The science no longer fully backs up the actions. France has given all its citizens the opportunity to take vaccine. I guess they have fully discharged their duty? Closing the border is not science or data based any longer, which is why our border reopened to African countries. What needs to change for the French to reopen the continent to us?
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There is a difference in that this is a Health Crisis, Hospitals across the globe are under a great deal of stress, the staff are tired and stressed. I don't know about you but I would prefer a Dr or Nurse alert and focussed on what ever ailment is presented to them.

Globalisation mass travel and transit means this virus (and others) spread across the globe rapidly.

This is not the same as Flu or other respiratory diseases it is far more contagious and deadly, you could have (and probably have) whole companies and departments catch this Virus and Mild or not means the company or department cannot operate. Which is one reason Flights were cancelled over Christmas Post goods and post not getting delivered

Governments make policy based on multiple considerations including various forms of Science we may not agree with their decisions but they have far more information and inputs that us mere mortals they are the ones empowered by their populations to make decisions on the populations behalf.

As I typed this I have just had a call from a friend who is hospital for another condition, he just told me he has now caught Covid and is on Oxygen. He has had all 3 Jabs if Covid was that 'Mild' it would have been some paracetamol and a box of tissues !
 
I hope your friends does not get too ill.
they may well be put on some other medication that is being prescribed for people most at risk.

I can’t remember what it is but I have the nhs and my doctor will be aware of it if I catch the virus
direct through test and trace.

so will be sent direct to me within two days so they say.

NOT something I would like to test and see though.
 
kimndon said:
At what point do we stop calling this a pandemic?? Less than 1% die from Convid and the majority of those are unvaccinated. Also - didn’t our government do well selling our share of euro tunnel to the French!!
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Firstly you have to define what a Pandemic is, its nothing to do with Deaths. https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/pandemic.

Even without Deaths there is serious mass illness causing people to be off work or not to be able to care for loved ones.

This is a Global Pandemic that currently has well over 5 million deaths which is more than 10 times the annual death rate of influenza and clearly not acceptable, along side this is Long Covid and the suffering people are experiencing. So when a Government wishes to lock down stop travel or ask people to wear face masks its probably not unreasonable to do these things.
 
Carpmart said:
This is simply inaccurate (or please show me the data) It’s a mild infection at worst for the vaccinated. If you are not vaccinated, this is now through one’s own personal choice. We need the constraints removing so we can get on with our lives again! Macron closed the border to protect against Omicron. That horse has bolted! Why is the border still closed? No one knows! What is our Govt doing about it? No one Knows?!!
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There are lots of things I could add to this and other threads. However, you have to do your own research on duckduckgo.com
gus-lopez said:
if yo can get on it. Apart from the fact that the scum also run that.

They are French.

No,they gave that up when entering the EU.EU rules take precedence

& that says it all. " as well as residents" so permanent residents from eu countries in the Uk have no restrictions on them yet the french scum do the same as they did last year & deny Eu residents transitting rights. until they were made to change the rule under eu laws.Time for another complaint.
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sonar said:
I hope your friends does not get too ill.
they may well be put on some other medication that is being prescribed for people most at risk.

I can’t remember what it is but I have the nhs and my doctor will be aware of it if I catch the virus
direct through test and trace.

so will be sent direct to me within two days so they say.

NOT something I would like to test and see though.
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Thank you for your kind words and hope you stay safe. I think the NHS has learnt a lot from the early days about treatment and can help avoid the cost symptoms for many but I guess the best thing is don't catch it in the first place, if you can avoid it.
 
gus-lopez said:
if yo can get on it. Apart from the fact that the scum also run that.

They are French.

No,they gave that up when entering the EU.EU rules take precedence

& that says it all. " as well as residents" so permanent residents from eu countries in the Uk have no restrictions on them yet the french scum do the same as they did last year & deny Eu residents transitting rights. until they were made to change the rule under eu laws.Time for another complaint.
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Smithy on post #99 found both Eurotunnel and ferries available for the 4th and 5th go January.
 
Update 10 mins ago...

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gus-lopez said:
A UK citizen permanently resident in another EU country is not a "3rd country national", but is equal to a national of that country just without the passport. If they are not banning Spaniards from transiting France then to do so to residents of other EU states is totally illegal under EU legislation and the terms of the withdrawal act.
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I don't think I addressed the question of a UK citizen permanently resident in another EU country and neither does the notice on the French Consulate site. It only talks about British Citizens and 3rd party nationals. My reading of the OP's original screen scrape from Eurotunnel is that
a) It applies to UK nationals (and other 3rd party nationals), unless they hold French Residency
b) It does not apply to other EU citizens who may hold residency in another EU country since it does not mention them.

Whether or not that interpretation is correct, I doubt that it is illegal to single out UK citizens with residency in other EU states than France, from transiting by road (they can still do so by air if the flight involves a stop at French airport) simply because this is a public health measure put in place to as part of the French COVID emergency legislation.
It's not anything to do with freedom of movement rights of EU citizens within the EU or to do with the Withdrawal agreement which would obviously not have addressed what travel restrictions might be necessary in the event of a, then unanticipated, pandemic.
My laymans understanding is that any country in the EU can close its borders and take any other measures it sees fit to take in a health emergency.
I think the Austrians closed the border with Germany last year (or vice versa) because of COVID, and that was flights as well as roads.

I imagine the French are simply seeking to reduce the risk of Omicron/Covid infections in France or making a fairly pointless political gesture. It could perfectly well be either or a mixture of both. How would we know?
Personally I think the World Health Organisation advice that closing borders is pretty much a waste of time unless done very very early on in a pandemic, is probably right. The first Omicron-Covid case in France was Dec 2nd on a flight arrival. In which case that horse has probably bolted.
In any event there could well have been Omicron-Covid cases before that, if the experience of Delta and other variants are anything to go by. So I think it may be gesture politics, just as the UK governments ban on people flying in during the 2020 and 2021 have largely been gesture politics - given we already had, at the time, more cases per head in previous waves than the countries we were banning and of the same variant. But politicians have to keep their base happy and pouncing on foreigners always plays well with some parts of the electorate.

I'm not a lawyer, and it might take one to provide a real answer to your point.
 
Carpmart said:
So what are peoples thoughts around conditions that need to change for this French entry (travel) embargo to be lifted?

With high case rates in France (200k yesterday), the argument of protecting from Omicron coming across the border is a red herring now; so what needs to change to enable me to travel through France to Spain on 17th Jan?
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Carpmart said:
I have done everything that the government has asked of me and I am a mile away from being a conspiracy theorist and buying into all the rubbish on ‘tinternt, but we have reached a point now where we really do need to get on with living our lives.

If you have had three jabs the virus won’t get you. Just as if you are sensible and take a flu jab every year, flu won’t get you. Yes I am being flippant, but the risk is low with both viruses now, largely thanks to our vaccination program. If you haven’t taken the vaccine offers, frankly you are on your own now.

The risk of us all blindly accepting that it reasonable for us to not be able to get on with our lives, through completely and utterly stupid rules, poorly thought out and not based on the scientific evidence (people are NOT, repeat NOT dying in large numbers despite our huge omicron based infection rate) we just need to say enough is enough and be left with ongoing vaccination and personal responsibility.

I just want a valid ‘scientific’ reason why I can’t leave ‘the island’ for the mainland? There isn’t one!
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I have a lot of sympathy with this argument - but it comes down to a "If only people were more like me" as far as getting jabbed and being personally responsible. But they are not.
If more people adopted your position then Omicron infections would not be collapsing the health service both because it requires health staff to isolate as well as filling up ICU beds with unvaccinated Covid patients, and there would be no discussion to be had.
But sadly that's not the case.
There are 5 million completely unvaccinated people in the UK, and they will keep clogging up the health service, infecting the staff, as well as taking staff out of all manner of other businesses. As long as those people refuse to be jabbed then there is no end to this apart from a natural evolution of the dominant variant into a less dangerous form. This is not in any way guaranteed to happen.
What they need is an incentive - such as "you only get to go to the pub/restaurant/museum/show/match if you show you are double jabbed" and show the necessary pass. People respond to such an approach because it turns out than when push comes to shove the majority of the "vaccine hesitant" when faced with the choice of pub vs no pub/jabbed vs no jab, chose to get jabbed.
When Macron made it obligatory back in I think October - when the French vaccination rate was running at around 150k-250k a day - to have a jab to go to the bar - 800,000 turned up to get jabbed the next day.

Sadly our government believes that providing such incentives for people to get jabbed is an infringement of my freedom. An argument which I find bizarre in the extreme, since it just means I won't go to the pub simply because it might be full of unvaccinated customers that can give me COVID. Whereas if I knew that they were all double jabbed I'd be in straight away. Their policy of not requiring vaccine passports is actually what is crippling the recovery. Something I was pleased to hear the CEO of the largest night club group in the UK (48 clubs I think) making on the radio yesterday.
 
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Coolcats said:
Firstly you have to define what a Pandemic is, its nothing to do with Deaths. https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/pandemic.

Even without Deaths there is serious mass illness causing people to be off work or not to be able to care for loved ones.

This is a Global Pandemic that currently has well over 5 million deaths which is more than 10 times the annual death rate of influenza and clearly not acceptable, along side this is Long Covid and the suffering people are experiencing. So when a Government wishes to lock down stop travel or ask people to wear face masks its probably not unreasonable to do these things.
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I understand what you are saying, but with France having the highest daily infection rate in Europe today (a mighty 208,000), what is the point in stopping folks from UK (where infections are similar).

Yes it's their right I agree, but what are they hoping to achieve. What are any European countries hoping to achieve by these travel restrictions.

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