No transit France.

[gus-lopez]

It does make me wonder why some on this forum slag of our politicians and country so much, if they hate it that much why not bugger off and live somewhere else, think they will find pretty much every country is the same just looks better when you are there on a few weeks holiday.

I did. Nowhere is better than anywhere else as a politician is a politician is a politician. Regardless of country, 99,5% of them are nothing but self interested till dipping scum. Solely interested in themselves ,reelection and an easy life.

That doesn't say you can't transit north to UK.
Just not to EU countries.

Nor does it say we cannot travel around as allowed under the withdrawal act and entering from and returning to Spain

 

[peterc10]

Utter madness!! The French border being closed is now making our small damp island near Europe, feel a lot smaller! Effectively we are now land locked with no easily accessible border options available!

I am sure many of us have taken personal responsibility and are triple jabbed and compliant with sensible precautions (hands face space)… so now we have to get on with life, yet our Govt seem to be just accepting these constraints… There is absolutely no reason for these border restrictions. Utter bloody madness!!!!

Don't shoot the bloody messenger

That doesn't say you can't transit north to UK.
Just not to EU countries.

I am not sure what is means and, from what Eurotunnel said about it, I am not sure that they know what it means.

Only time will tell us what it meant, but by then the rules will probably have changed again.

Remember the famous Chinese curse "may you live in interesting times". And we have had 3 years of that so far

 

[Coolcats]

But I’m boosted, three jabs, likelihood of me adding to their ‘problem’ whilst I spend a day and a half transiting their fine nation is frankly ridiculous…

Having 3 jabs does not make you immune from Covid or being a carrier, what it hopefully will do if you catch it is make the symptoms milder.

 

[Offagain]

But I’m boosted, three jabs, likelihood of me adding to their ‘problem’ whilst I spend a day and a half transiting their fine nation is frankly ridiculous…

I personally know several people, my daughter included who tested +ve this morning, who have contracted Covid after having three jabs.

Just checked Eurotunnel's website and this advice has been added today

"Following a French Government decision, on 28/12/2021, unless they hold French residency, British citizens are now considered 3rd country citizens and can no longer transit France by road to reach their country of residence in the EU."

Perhaps the official French information should be sought.
Except it doesn’t seem as if it’s been updated since 20th December.

kernel (20)

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www.interieur.gouv.fr

 

[sonar]

The restrictions to france are what they are.
I really can’t see if there is anything any one can do about it.

motorhome owner's are NOT being singled out. Although some seen to be very upset about it…..
thousands of other people without motorhomes are also effected .

I expect when restrictions to France are lifted then there will be blockages anyway due to the volume of people wanting to get across for their own reasons.

And again that will upset some as well when that happens.

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[Grianan]

This does not preclude the ‘ski route’. A friend texted a couple of days ago to say that she, her husband and daughter had all had positive LFTs. Meanwhile her son and girl friend were flying to Geneva yesterday then taking the train into France for their skiing holiday. Apparently the girl friend’s parents had done this the day before and were not stopped.

 

[tacr2man]

RE return thru France to Uk , Surely if EU law trumps national laws getting out of Schengen within 90 days is more important than Macrons edict . ?

 

[Coolcats]

RE return thru France to Uk , Surely if EU law trumps national laws getting out of Schengen within 90 days is more important than Macrons edict . ?

There’s always a boat from Spain

 

[Just smiffy]

Well I’ve just investigated leaving Spain on the 4th jan and getting the tunnel on the 5th and there is nothing on the euro tunnel site or France government site that says I can’t …

 

[Chrisvh]

Having 3 jabs does not make you immune from Covid or being a carrier, what it hopefully will do if you catch it is make the symptoms milder.

Or you could be asymptomatic and just pass it on oblivious to the impact you are having. I am not sure that an “I’m all right Jack” attitude is what is required in a pandemic.

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[EuroTrotters]

There’s always a boat from Spain

If you can get on it.

I’ve asked BF twice why they are not increasing capacity and still not had a response .

 

[TDub49]

A sovereign country deciding who can and cannot enter its territory: surely something that many would support?

Gordon

Some would say that's what it was all about. The thing is, it's fine when it's happening to someone else but not so much fun when you are directly impacted. I don't think that people are quite grasping the fact that triple jabbed or not and even with the precautions that help reduce the risk of catching or transmitting Delta, Omicron is a whole new ball game and everyone is at risk of catching and spreading it. It's up to sovereign nations to decide what precautions they think are relevant to motivate this risk.

 

[Potty]

The restrictions to france are what they are.
I really can’t see if there is anything any one can do about it.

motorhome owner's are NOT being singled out. Although some seen to be very upset about it…..
thousands of other people without motorhomes are also effected .

.

Definitely not just motor-homers. Heard of a family, U.K. citizens, Spanish residents, who have been visiting family for Christmas and cannot now get home. The parents need to get back to work and the children to school. They have tried the Spanish ferries, all full. They have dogs with them so cannot fly. They are now virtually homeless.

 

[Carpmart]

Don't shoot the bloody messenger

I wasn’t. Observational of the situation not your post.

 

[Carpmart]

I have done everything that the government has asked of me and I am a mile away from being a conspiracy theorist and buying into all the rubbish on ‘tinternt, but we have reached a point now where we really do need to get on with living our lives.

If you have had three jabs the virus won’t get you. Just as if you are sensible and take a flu jab every year, flu won’t get you. Yes I am being flippant, but the risk is low with both viruses now, largely thanks to our vaccination program. If you haven’t taken the vaccine offers, frankly you are on your own now.

The risk of us all blindly accepting that it reasonable for us to not be able to get on with our lives, through completely and utterly stupid rules, poorly thought out and not based on the scientific evidence (people are NOT, repeat NOT dying in large numbers despite our huge omicron based infection rate) we just need to say enough is enough and be left with ongoing vaccination and personal responsibility.

I just want a valid ‘scientific’ reason why I can’t leave ‘the island’ for the mainland? There isn’t one!

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[sonar]

ask The French Gov.

 

[drpeej]

Apparently The Ban on UK travellers in France begins 11pm on Friday (as we are 3rd country non EU)

"British tourists have been banned from France amid concern over the "extremely rapid" rise in Omicron COVID cases in the UK.

From 11pm on Friday, France barred travel to and from Britain without "compelling reasons" - which do not include tourism and business."

3rd world country?

 

[Coastal Cruiser.]

We did lol

Best way, if you don’t like something do something about it better than whining all the time.

 

[Carpmart]

Or you could be asymptomatic and just pass it on oblivious to the impact you are having. I am not sure that an “I’m all right Jack” attitude is what is required in a pandemic.

This is true. I could be asymptomatic, but as long as I am not encountering unvaccinated people (it’s now their personal choice to not be vaccinated) then I am not adding risk. I am a relatively cautious person and certainly do not employ an ‘I’m alright jack’ ethos to how I live my life.

We need to move away from this rhetoric that we are in the middle of a killer pandemic, we were in bad shape, vaccination has resolved this for us, we now need to get on with doing what we want, accepting each person should take personal responsibility and maintain their vaccination status and employ basic good citizens practices.

Yes I am very frustrated because I have listened to the politicians spouting that they will follow the science and the data, yet that clearly with a closed border is not the case! Why?

 

[fat haggis]

Why don’t we close all British waters to non uk registered fishing boats. No third county.
That would soon get them worked up

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[The Wino]

No.

France isn't the EU, despite what the French would like to believe. This is personal, little to do with any EU instruction, and is orchestrated by Macron as he tries to look tough before the April elections.

What bothers me is that no none has actually sat back and thought "why is looking tough against UK a vote winner". Perhaps there is a rumbling, instinctive satisfaction amongst some French folk, at putting one over on UK? I struggle with believing this, but then the only French I have interacted with, have had a vested interest in not peeing me off, as they earn their crust from tourism. The same as many of us, except those who live or have lived in France.

Nevertheless, your post completely proves the claim that France believes that we should be punished for leaving the EU.

France's Brexit punishment letter backfires - 'No benefits' in EU

FRANCE's call on the EU to punish the UK over the fishing row between Paris and London spectacularly backfired.

www.express.co.uk

EU must show UK ‘damaged’ by Brexit as warning to other nations, says France

France says ‘restoration of trust’ lies upon the UK granting more fishing licences

www.independent.co.uk

France requests tougher EU action over UK fishing row in private letter

French Prime Minister Jean Castex wrote to Ursula von der Leyen.

www.politico.eu

Plenty more examples, equally supportive to the notion of the French leadership's eagerness to see UK actually punished.

Finally, this is all a bit daft. After the April elections, whether Macron or someone else gets in, there will no more need for more immature French posturing, and we will see a few years of concord - until the next election looms...

Have you not noticed any immature posturing this side of the channel? Strange I've noticed lots

 

[Carpmart]

Some would say that's what it was all about. The thing is, it's fine when it's happening to someone else but not so much fun when you are directly impacted. I don't think that people are quite grasping the fact that triple jabbed or not and even with the precautions that help reduce the risk of catching or transmitting Delta, Omicron is a whole new ball game and everyone is at risk of catching and spreading it. It's up to sovereign nations to decide what precautions they think are relevant to motivate this risk.

This is simply inaccurate (or please show me the data) It’s a mild infection at worst for the vaccinated. If you are not vaccinated, this is now through one’s own personal choice. We need the constraints removing so we can get on with our lives again! Macron closed the border to protect against Omicron. That horse has bolted! Why is the border still closed? No one knows! What is our Govt doing about it? No one Knows?!!

 

[NicandJay]

Even more confused now as Eurotunnel website says..."All those wishing to travel from France to the UK, regardless of vaccination status, will need to meet criteria defined by the French authorities that the travel is essential (supporting evidence will need to be presented at border controls). UK nationals, as well as residents in the United Kingdom, are exempt"

 

[ChrisSue]

As one of my delivery drivers has just gone home " not feeling well"(He took a test in the office and it was negative), I have a simple question mainly to anyone working and suffering from staff absences; do you know of anyone who has had flu this year?

 

[sonar]

This is simply inaccurate (or please show me the data) It’s a mild infection at worst for the vaccinated. If you are not vaccinated, this is now through one’s own personal choice. We need the constraints removing so we can get on with our lives again! Macron closed the border to protect against Omicron. That horse has bolted! Why is the border still closed? No one knows! What is our Govt doing about it? No one Knows?!!

Mild infection if your fit and healthy.

serious if your not. A county has a duty to protect their citizens and that I guess is happing now.

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[Carpmart]

Mild infection if your fit and healthy.

serious if your not. A county has a duty to protect their citizens and that I guess is happing now.

Everyone has been given the opportunity to get vaccinated. Flu and other respiratory diseases kill many people every year. Why are we treating this any different? The science no longer fully backs up the actions. France has given all its citizens the opportunity to take vaccine. I guess they have fully discharged their duty? Closing the border is not science or data based any longer, which is why our border reopened to African countries. What needs to change for the French to reopen the continent to us?

 

[sonar]

Everyone has been given the opportunity to get vaccinated. Flu and other respiratory diseases kill many people every year. Why are we treating this any different? The science no longer fully backs up the actions. France has given all its citizens the opportunity to take vaccine. I guess they have fully discharged their duty? Closing the border is not science or data based any longer, which is why our border reopened to African countries. What needs to change for the French to reopen the continent to us?

What part of if your fit and healthy do you Not understand ?

you seem to think that everybody has the same health well they don’t .
Same in France Not everybody is fit and yes I dare say some are fully vaccinated Even if they do have an illness that will kill if the catch the virus.

it could be time now to except the way things are everybody else has to .
and if you don’t like it then YOU contact the French and ask them for the details you want answering.

others on this forum Do not have the information your insisting on.
fin

 

[Wee Bold Davy]

Maybe we should look to boycott France and it’s products in the future.

What's keeping you? I've been boycotting snails and frogs legs all my life

 

[Grianan]

This is simply inaccurate (or please show me the data) It’s a mild infection at worst for the vaccinated.

I do hope you are correct. Until now most infections have been in younger age groups. Since Christmas, the rare of infections of 50+ age group has seen a sharp uptick. It will be 2-4 weeks before we can see how this affects hospitalisations/deaths. Those who know more than I do are concerned enough to create more emergency beds around the country.
I really do hope you are right.,

 

[Ditcha]

Why would you want to travel to Spain anyway it's only 21 today

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