Motorhome take over at CAMC

[138go]

I dont understand why Guisborough was chosen, nothing against it but, most people have never heard of it. And why the fixati on with toilets? If it hasnt got its own toilet then its not a motorhome

Whats happened in places like skipton and Helmsley is much more relevant. I'm considering visiting those areas because they have more options.

Helmsley is a lovely place, well worth a visit.

 

[Paul and Kate]

i know where I’d rather be staying

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Definitely photo 2!

Bottom one looks like love 2 stay in Shrewsbury getting on for 50 quid a night

 

[Swifter]

Bottom one looks like love 2 stay in Shrewsbury getting on for 50 quid a night

£65 lol

 

[Paul and Kate]

£65 lol

Ouch.
We went on the opening weekend.
£20

 

[gus-lopez]

ll have decent towing capacities capable of handling an average family 4 berth caravans at 1500kg

Apart from the Nissan which would be touch & go the others might be able , apart from the Tesla, to tow a 1500kg caravan but no passengerscould be in the car nor any kind of equpment ,clothing ,food in the caravan.All apart from the Nissan weigh well in excess of 2T.You will also find that with Unladen weights of this amount most cannot be parked in local council car parks which usually have a 2T U/L limit.

Not true
There are quite a few EVs capable of towing namely the
Tesla x
Polestar
Kia ioniq 5
Nissan Ariya
All have decent towing capacities capable of handling an average family 4 berth caravans at 1500kg

As above

Do they object to privately funded Aires or just tax payer subsidised ones ?

They object to anything that would impact on their local area & income.

But are they objecting to private funded or tax payers subsidy ones , you don’t say.

As above any type.

We need a dramatic culture change I’m afraid...

Culling it's called.

Well if owned a buisness of any sort and was threatened with loss of business from a tax payers subsidiesed operator I would not be to happy either. If it was a private buisness with loan repayments etc then it would be fair.

Yes, but they do not want private competition either.

As someone said it just a change of use and the cost?
I would say more than covered at £5 a night 6 till 8
As said earlier by someone else club are not in

Seems steep when from midnight to 9am I can sleep legally for free next door to the Queen & if arriving earlier ,£1,50 from 7pm until midnight. If you wish to stay during the day you pay the daily rates.

Who is going to pay for the wardens to enforce payment from the overnighter?

Many councils they operate 24/7 . The above have enforcement officers during the out of hours office closure at 7pm

It's one advantage of the Club's pricing structure that they charge for a pitch and then per person.

It's an annoyance that commercial site prices are generally inclusive of two but then charge extra for the dog.

To me that is like parking in a car park & then having to pay extra for the people in the car ?
As I asked on another thread what happens if I pay to park the van but no one is staying in it ?
& I agree ,what is that all about a charge for the dog?

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[Clipgate]

I have always been cautious when the term Club is used, do your own homework as regards the CAMC. It's a commercial company run by directors that are salaried in the main and directors of other entities.
The club seems to have no assets.
Check yourself.

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[Madcaravanner]

You may well be one that likes space and time on a Campsite but so many do want to wander and are stuck with the traditional CAMC pitches that haven’t changed. Staying still is not progress in fact not a lots changed in the last hundred years Apart from the Toilet blocks being modernised,a few black water drains and WiFi that’s only now being made fit for purpose.
l suggesting additional pitches not taking established ones away.
A so called Member cannot even use the Service points if passing a Site.
The CAMC has so far to go yet.

Which is why we are no longer "members" it stopped being a club decades ago while we were still tuggers, they don't have simple drive over waste drops and while I don't mind campsites they are all laid out for caravans not MOTOR caravans

 

[pelican]

Why does it matter what the % is.

 

[Littlewheels]

And, in my view, that's where motorhomers should be focussing their efforts rather than seeking to get the recognised Clubs to change their business philosophy. They're providing a "residential" pitch with (generally) facilities and their business model does not incorporate the provision of "short-term" parking.

And yet they continue to make it their business to resist the growth of short term Aires/Camperstops by objecting at all levels when planning applications are thoughts for them.

 

[Wee Bold Davy]

How close is TOO close in a gale?

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[138go]

Which is why we are no longer "members" it stopped being a club decades ago while we were still tuggers, they don't have simple drive over waste drops and while I don't mind campsites they are all laid out for caravans not MOTOR caravans

They do have drive over waste drops.

 

[Neil S]

Which is why we are no longer "members" it stopped being a club decades ago while we were still tuggers, they don't have simple drive over waste drops and while I don't mind campsites they are all laid out for caravans not MOTOR caravans

When did you last use a C&MC site ??
Most have drive over grey water dumps
and of the few that don’t the club are putting them in
The C&MC website lists the facilities of every site

 

[GJH]

I dont understand why Guisborough was chosen, nothing against it but, most people have never heard of it. And why the fixati on with toilets? If it hasnt got its own toilet then its not a motorhome

Whats happened in places like skipton and Helmsley is much more relevant. I'm considering visiting those areas because they have more options.

Guisborough was chosen because a local resident (not me) got off his backside and did something about it rather than just complaining about lack of facilities. Doing something is an action which is rare enough these days, let alone in 2008.
He chose Guisborough because he lives there and the town is on a tourist route between the Whitby/Scarborough area and the wider north east. The car park had been used as a coach stop for decades so (unlike some other places) did not need a lot of expense to set up. There was a demand in the area because many people camped overnight in several nearby locations publicised on forums, despite no overnighting rules.

 

[Ivory55]

They are building flats on the coach/bus stop at Hunstanton, so if they cannot provide a bus park how would people think of a motorhome aire ?

 

[Gellyneck]

They do have drive over waste drops.

When did you last use a C&MC site ??
Most have drive over grey water dumps
and of the few that don’t the club are putting them in
The C&MC website lists the facilities of every site

and it's, generally, the same crew that install them. Well it was at Garlieston, Strathclyde, Melrose, Burrs and a few others we know of because we were there when they were doing them.

Bottom one looks like love 2 stay in Shrewsbury getting on for 50 quid a night

and it's not a C&MC owned site. It's a commercial site that offers preferential terms to C&MC members.

I have always been cautious when the term Club is used, do your own homework as regards the CAMC. It's a commercial company run by directors that are salaried in the main and directors of other entities.

Just like a huge number of other Clubs run by a Board of Directors who, may or may not, hold other directorships.

And yet they continue to make it their business to resist the growth of short term Aires/Camperstops by objecting at all levels when planning applications are thoughts for them.

Do you have written evidence to this effect? Any club \ business it quite within it's rights to lobby on behalf of their members \ shareholders. Don't think I've heard of many, if any, objections from the Clubs to the provision of camperstops in various locations opening up in Scotland but could be wrong and would welcome correction.

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[jongood]

From wales

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In the article a motorhome owner reckoned they could provide fresh water, a septic tank for toilets and bins regularly emptied for a couple of quid charged. Evidently dealing with waste now is very cheap in Wales !

Another example of a sensational headline not backed up by the content!
But the camper guy had a good point, all somebody needs to do is set up some way of dealing with the waste, get it on Facebook and camper contact etc and you're away £10/night legal stop. Happy days. A good little business in a rural area.

Its the council's that don't often have the foresight and scared by the clubs that are preventing it.

 

[Ivory55]

Another example of a sensational headline not backed up by the content!
But the camper guy had a good point, all somebody needs to do is set up some way of dealing with the waste, get it on Facebook and camper contact etc and you're away £10/night legal stop. Happy days. A good little business in a rural area.

Its the council's that don't often have the foresight and scared by the clubs that are preventing it.

Except he only wants to pay a couple of quid not 10

 

[jongood]

Except he only wants to pay a couple of quid not 10

Most people who only want to pay a 'couple of quid' can persuade themselves to pay a 'bit' more if that's what they want to do - that's how business works

 

[Ivory55]

Most people who only want to pay a 'couple of quid' can persuade themselves to pay a 'bit' more if that's what they want to do - that's how business works

I will try that when I ask for a pay rise a couple is really a £10 an hour rise, I reckon that would work. Haha

 

[jongood]

There's a big difference between making a purchase for pleasure, or a long term commitment mate, your wages are almost certainly a reluctant payment

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[Littlewheels]

Do you have written evidence to this effect? Any club \ business it quite within it's rights to lobby on behalf of their members \ shareholders. Don't think I've heard of many, if any, objections from the Clubs to the provision of camperstops in various locations opening up in Scotland but could be wrong and would welcome correction.

l have a point of view that comes from what l see in the media along with many in this forum as you appear to be the only one disputing it.
The main two clubs are the GoTo people when the government is looking at anything on a National level and they resist expansion of anything that effects or is likely to effect their busines,the main Holiday site people like Premier are also against growth outside their own interests.

 

[Gellyneck]

l have a point of view that comes from what l see in the media along with many in this forum as you appear to be the only one disputing it.
The main two clubs are the GoTo people when the government is looking at anything on a National level and they resist expansion of anything that effects or is likely to effect their busines,the main Holiday site people like Premier are also against growth outside their own interests.

Isn't it a pity that when genuinely asked for proof of the allegations the response always seems to be "the media" which is, I think we would agree, potentially suspect. I'm not disputing it just asking if it is correct hence the reason for confirmation \ clarification.
If an organisation has the ear of the National and \ or Local authorities they will, almost certainly lobby on behalf of the members \ shareholders. Close to my heart, would you expect the SWA (scotch whisky) to support lobbying for competing offerings? I'm not clear on why you would expect an organisation to actively lobby for others?

 

[phase3begins]

Another example of a sensational headline not backed up by the content!
But the camper guy had a good point, all somebody needs to do is set up some way of dealing with the waste, get it on Facebook and camper contact etc and you're away £10/night legal stop. Happy days. A good little business in a rural area.

Its the council's that don't often have the foresight and scared by the clubs that are preventing it.

Love this quote from the article which is about 30+ campers crammed on the beach

Mr Jones, who runs a twice annual International Campervan Show at Stratford-upon-Avon, added: “My family loves Llanddona. When you’re a campervan person, the attraction is the freedom and isolation.

 

[jongood]

Isn't it a pity that when genuinely asked for proof of the allegations the response always seems to be "the media" which is, I think we would agree, potentially suspect. I'm not disputing it just asking if it is correct hence the reason for confirmation \ clarification.
If an organisation has the ear of the National and \ or Local authorities they will, almost certainly lobby on behalf of the members \ shareholders. Close to my heart, would you expect the SWA (scotch whisky) to support lobbying for competing offerings? I'm not clear on why you would expect an organisation to actively lobby for others?

Would the SwA lobby to prevent somebody producing Gin? Probably not, but that's in effect what the caravan club do.

 

[jongood]

Love this quote from the article which is about 30+ campers crammed on the beach

Mr Jones, who runs a twice annual International Campervan Show at Stratford-upon-Avon, added: “My family loves Llanddona. When you’re a campervan person, the attraction is the freedom and isolation.

Looking at the photo I assumed they were parking on the verge where the boulders are now so would be side on to the sea.

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[Shakti Yoni]

Don’t know why but had our booking at St Neots cancelled for 14 June due to bad weather although we were booked on a grass pitch someone obviously has a crystal ball?

We had two bookings cancelled (weeks in advance) for St Neots 12th and 30th April due to flooding. We were told although a caravan might be OK, there was no way a motorhome could get on or off.

 

[Gellyneck]

Would the SwA lobby to prevent somebody producing Gin? Probably not, but that's in effect what the caravan club do.

and again, do we have confirmed evidence that the Clubs do campaign obstructively? I just wish this evidence was readily available as it would remove all dubiety from the debate. It would also give an insight as to what their issues are with the provision of alternate options and the ability to debate whether they are valid or not.
SWA actively promote the quality \ safety \ environmental \ ethical \ etc standards of their products and would lobby for the same from any competing products.

 

[jongood]

and again, do we have confirmed evidence that the Clubs do campaign obstructively? I just wish this evidence was readily available as it would remove all dubiety from the debate. It would also give an insight as to what their issues are with the provision of alternate options and the ability to debate whether they are valid or not.
SWA actively promote the quality \ safety \ environmental \ ethical \ etc standards of their products and would lobby for the same from any competing products.

IMO there's plenty of evidence but if you feel strongly. Why not ask them? Can't do any harm.

 

[Gellyneck]

IMO there's plenty of evidence but if you feel strongly. Why not ask them? Can't do any harm.

Again, it's a great pity for those who have access to confirmed evidence not to share with others.
Surely the onus lies on those who claim they are doing so to prove. Not Guilty until proven otherwise.

 

[jongood]

Again, it's a great pity for those who have access to confirmed evidence not to share with others.
Surely the onus lies on those who claim they are doing so to prove. Not Guilty until proven otherwise.

Youve been doing this long enough, This is a forum not a hearing. I could ask them again but doubt they will answer me as I'm no longer a customer/member.

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