Motorhome take over at CAMC

[Littlewheels]

Isn't it a pity that when genuinely asked for proof of the allegations

I did not realise that you were the presiding Judge over matters discussed on this forum!
I am sure you go about your day collating and harvesting all that you see or read in the event that at some future time you can produce proof that a Chicken laid a golden egg or whatever.

 

[Gellyneck]

Youve been doing this long enough, This is a forum not a hearing. I could ask them again but doubt they will answer me as I'm no longer a customer/member.

OK, so there is, as far as we are aware, no confirmation the Clubs do actively obstruct the development of alternative options so we have to work on conjecture. As you say this is a forum and not a hearing so if folk are comfortable believing they do or don't without evidence, or otherwise, to the fact so be it.

 

[Gellyneck]

I did not realise that you were the presiding Judge over matters discussed on this forum!
I am sure you go about your day collating and harvesting all that you see or read in the event that at some future time you can produce proof that a Chicken laid a golden egg or whatever.

Eh, not sure where you're coming from. How am I judging when asking for evidence supporting comments made so I can be properly informed?
Agreed, I do not take everything at face value and, yes, if I make an assertion to a fact, I will be prepared to support this with my rationale but each to their own.

 

[Ex-caravanner]

All the tent people are going....."hark at this lot", give me a grassy roundabout and a hedge!

 

[Gellyneck]

All the tent people are going....."hark at this lot", give me a grassy roundabout and a hedge!

You forgot the dock leaves for wiping!

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[Littlewheels]

so I can be properly informed?

You are at it again, you really think your the presiding Judge.

 

[minesapint]

And then them peaple paying £10 a night would walk over and use the showers etc. It really is a simple decision if you don’t like the clubs pricing and the way they work don’t go to the sites. The U.K. has thousands of private sites to choose from, but be aware they also have rules and are in the job to make profit.

The so called CMC is also up for a profit £30 per night and £3.50 per 24 hrs for each item to go on wifi. CCC seems a better bet.

 

[TDub49]

Here's the thing - firstly, it is quite possible that motorhomes are outnumbering caravans on some sites, be they CAMC or whatever. Time will tell if that's a blip or the tuggers are become the minority and heading for extinction.

Secondly, is it wrong for the site owners to seek some profit or should they all be philanthropists, giving away their time and facilities so that we can all have a great time?. And if they shouldn't seek profits, what about the motorhome manufacturers and sellers - perhaps they should be in it for the rewards they will get in the afterlife. And so on.

Thirdly, apart from the OP asking a perfectly reasonable question about relative numbers of chuggers and tuggers on a site and speculating that this might be a trend, quite how we got on to the endless carping about "overnight stops" and who might be conspiring (or not) to prevent local councils and well meaning entrepreneurs from providing virtually free parking for people who never seem to want to stop moving for more than one night at a time, is beyond me. And does it matter? If there's that much demand, surely there would be that much pressure.

I need to lie down now . . . .

 

[sgl5gjr]

I've noticed a swing towards Motorhomes the past few years......but there are caravan "hotspots" mainly at coastal sites from my observations.... I guess as has been eluded to, that with tow cars going to electric, that caravan makers will have to be more creative with their designs and make them lighter. However......always is one..... Motorhomes will also be heading to the electric route in the future.... I don't suppose I'll have a non fossil fuel motorhome in my lifetime but it is something manufacturers will be looking into just now....

 

[Guigsy]

I've noticed a swing towards Motorhomes the past few years......but there are caravan "hotspots" mainly at coastal sites from my observations.... I guess as has been eluded to, that with tow cars going to electric, that caravan makers will have to be more creative with their designs and make them lighter. However......always is one..... Motorhomes will also be heading to the electric route in the future.... I don't suppose I'll have a non fossil fuel motorhome in my lifetime but it is something manufacturers will be looking into just now....

Motorhomes are going to be harder to make electric as weight and wind resistance are the biggest enemies of range. But motorhomes tend to last a lot longer than cars. So I suspect there'll be diesel motorhomes chugging about (and paying £5 per litre for synthetic fuel) for a couple of decades yet. Electric cars have progressed massively in only 10 years. Towing will decrease your range, but people don't tend to move their caravans that much, so I'm not sure needing to supercharge a couple of times on your way down to Devon is going to make that much difference to the 'sport' of tugging.

I think the biggest issue facing caravans is the extra licence required that almost nobody under 40 now has. The barrier for entry is just too high.

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[Jim]

A few of you mention it in this thread, but can someone show me evidence, any at all, of the C&MC lobbying against Aires? #notholdingmybreath.

 

[TDub49]

A few of you mention it in this thread, but can someone show me evidence, any at all, of the C&MC lobbying against Aires? #notholdingmybreath.

Apparently common knowledge - it's just that no one has been able to supply a link to anything that confirms it and the people that are concerned about it enough to make the claim on this forum are not that concerned that they can show any evidence of challenging CAMC or C&C about their dastardly plot to thwart the overnighters . . .

 

[Mikey RV]

Jungle drums.

 

[phase3begins]

Good god. It’s may 19. I was hoping when the lockdown was lifted we would all go back to having Motorhome fun.

 

[P Jones]

Noooo ..... I don’t want smaller pitches- I like my space. If I wanted it to be like a car park, I wouldn’t pay campsite prices.

here here over £20 i dont look £10 to £15 thats it, we stopped at coast2coastcaravanclub. last week £12 with ehu. near skeggy.
this week near spalding. £12. ok pj. stay safe ok.

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[pelican]

I think the wobble boxes only come out in any numbers from mid July for 6 weeks

 

[Gellyneck]

You are at it again, you really think your the presiding Judge.

Don't think there's any point in continuing the dialogue as you appear to have no case to make.

 

[GJH]

Another example of a sensational headline not backed up by the content!
But the camper guy had a good point, all somebody needs to do is set up some way of dealing with the waste, get it on Facebook and camper contact etc and you're away £10/night legal stop. Happy days. A good little business in a rural area.

Its the council's that don't often have the foresight and scared by the clubs that are preventing it.

£10/night legal stop? What about the small matter of a caravan site licence to accommodate more than 1 van at a time and for more than 28 nights in any 12 months?

 

[jongood]

£10/night legal stop? What about the small matter of a caravan site licence to accommodate more than 1 van at a time and for more than 28 nights in any 12 months?

2nd parargraph - its the council's that stop it.

 

[Gellyneck]

Thirdly, apart from the OP asking a perfectly reasonable question about relative numbers of chuggers and tuggers on a site and speculating that this might be a trend, quite how we got on to the endless carping about "overnight stops" and who might be conspiring (or not) to prevent local councils and well meaning entrepreneurs from providing virtually free parking for people who never seem to want to stop moving for more than one night at a time, is beyond me. And does it matter? If there's that much demand, surely there would be that much pressure.

I need to lie down now . . . .

Apologies for the thread going off track M-J and for giving you a sore head TDub49 .

Over the last 7 years there has definitely been a steady move in the scales tipping towards motorhome with nearly every site in the last couple of years we've been on with them in the majority.

As a very rough guide I would say a change from one third motorhome \ two thirds caravan back in 2014 to the reverse in 2021. This swing seems to be UK wide however maybe to a lesser degree in Mid \ Southern England. Certainly the NC500 seems to have had significant impact on this in the North of Scotland with some sites being close to 80-90% motorhomes, eg C&MC Dunnet Bay and to a slightly lesser degree the independent Sands, etc. Scottish local councils appear to be reacting to this positively with the creation of community managed "aires" and "parking" however still at a very early stage.

Yorkshire and Derbyshire seem to be following a similar pattern in the balance.

This has definitely been recognised by, certainly C&MC and a couple of independent sites we use, with them adding dedicated facilities for motorhomes, eg drive over grey waste disposal, increased non-electric pitch availability, etc.

Just an anecdotal personal view on this but, hopefully, adds to your OP.

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[nelly]

We are on a cmc at the moment the has no toilet block the caravans out number the motorhome 4 to 1
Neil

 

[Puddleduck]

Totally understand the 6m rule for caravans and awnings. No problem with that. But lets say the first 2/3 pitches as you go in are just gravel hard standing or grass not bothered. Marked out as large parking bays. Motorhome only no awning no caravans. There is no law regarding space required and there is no reason they can't do it.

They just don't want to.

The 6m "rule" may be due to insurance requirements.

 

[138go]

The so called CMC is also up for a profit £30 per night and £3.50 per 24 hrs for each item to go on wifi. CCC seems a better bet.

We’ve been in both clubs. The sites are to a higher standard in the CMC. We’re on one now and it’s full, so the people who use their sites must be happy,

 

[Gellyneck]

We’ve been in both clubs. The sites are to a higher standard in the CMC. We’re on one now and it’s full, so the people who use their sites must be happy,

Only been one or two free pitches on the one we're on over the week or so.

 

[Bubble 12]

There would be no harm asking members what they want or need from their club. We have a rear lounge and are often told that we have to park with the lounge facing into either a wall or hedge, or else we can't use the awning. The pitches are all designed for Caravas, which have the lounge at the towbar end...

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[Gellyneck]

There would be no harm asking members what they want or need from their club. We have a rear lounge and are often told that we have to park with the lounge facing into either a wall or hedge, or else we can't use the awning. The pitches are all designed for Caravas, which have the lounge at the towbar end...

Never had any instance on a C&MC where I couldn't pitch either way around. Done that with both caravan and motorhome. Which sites in particular did you have the problems?

 

[GWAYGWAY]

Not true
There are quite a few EVs capable of towing namely the
Tesla x
Polestar
Kia ioniq 5
Nissan Ariya
All have decent towing capacities capable of handling an average family 4 berth caravans at 1500kg

caravans sales will continue to be buoyant and will still be popular as more Electric cars become available with towing capabilities

Only for a mile and a half though, I doubt the limited site supply would deal with the charge to get home.

 

[Beltie]

Never had any instance on a C&MC where I couldn't pitch either way around. Done that with both caravan and motorhome. Which sites in particular did you have the problems?

That's my experience as well. Park nose in or nose out and put any awning on the appropriate side.

 

[scally]

It's not a dig at you Janine.
But thats exactly what the club want and insist the rest of us want. Ive no problem with you wanting to pay the sometimes extortionate prices some sites are charging for that space.

I think you'll find a large number of motorhomes want the freedom to park up safely and move on (freedom to roam).

I personally get really annoyed with the "you spend 80k on a vans and moan about £35 per night" that is used to justify prices charged.

I'm not a caravan and awning I don't want 6 meters between vans and be charged hotel prices for the pleasure of bringing my own room and still not allowed to use the onsite facilities.

If they really considered motorhomes they would have an area for 5 to 10 vans on most sites. Carpark style no booking no awning etc £10 per night. As littlewheels said some form of camper stop.
That would then at least give us the choice and I think you would find that area would be full well before the club pitches.

Rant over.

Isnt the 6meter rule for fire safety ?

 

[Arnside037]

Never had any instance on a C&MC where I couldn't pitch either way around. Done that with both caravan and motorhome. Which sites in particular did you have the problems?

On a CMC site at the moment and asked which way round to park and was told to park anyway I chose. Warden looked at my rear lounge moho and said if i were you id go in cab first. The views from the rear lounge are wonderful ... well would be if it weren't for the wind and rain and clouds and .....naff weather.

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