Motorhome take over at CAMC

[Janine]

Mostly on a CMHC site, you can nose in offside to the peg or reverse in nearside to the peg. Either way will land you in the centre of the pitch.

 

[138go]

There would be no harm asking members what they want or need from their club. We have a rear lounge and are often told that we have to park with the lounge facing into either a wall or hedge, or else we can't use the awning. The pitches are all designed for Caravas, which have the lounge at the towbar end...

We’re happy with what we joined. They always say park whichever way round suits.

 

[Neil S]

There would be no harm asking members what they want or need from their club. We have a rear lounge and are often told that we have to park with the lounge facing into either a wall or hedge, or else we can't use the awning. The pitches are all designed for Caravas, which have the lounge at the towbar end...

We’re just back C&MC Teesdale site and because we have the door on the O/S the warden gave us the option to park either facing in or out

 

[Beltie]

Mostly on a CMHC site, you can nose in offside to the peg or reverse in nearside to the peg. Either way will land you in the centre of the pitch.

T'other way round Janine!

 

[Janine]

T'other way round Janine!

Oops...

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[Gellyneck]

The views from the rear lounge are wonderful ... well would be if it weren't for the wind and rain and clouds and .....naff weather.

Tell us about it!
Never been so pleased we're on the "right" side of the site we're on as had some concerns of the sea coming over the wall on the "other" side last night! Looks like the wardens have had to move a couple of folk as a few pitches flooded (by the rain).

 

[Gellyneck]

Oops...

You were just testing us, weren't you!

 

[GJH]

2nd parargraph - its the council's that stop it.

Do they? Has anyone sought a site licence?
The point is that the statement "all somebody needs to do is set up some way of dealing with the waste, get it on Facebook and camper contact etc and you're away £10/night legal stop" is inaccurate at best as it fails to acknowledge the requirement for a licence.

 

[GJH]

The 6m "rule" may be due to insurance requirements.

Isnt the 6meter rule for fire safety ?

Yes, it's fire safety, arising from the model standards for caravan sites.

 

[Jim]

IMO there's plenty of evidence

Then show me some, any at all, apart from forum heresay, Post just one bit of that plenty of evidence you have, and I'm on it.

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[GJH]

Then show me some, any at all, apart from forum heresay, Post just one bit of that plenty of evidence you have, and I'm on it.

As per my signature "The trouble with too many people is that they can't be bothered to do any research, they just want to be right"

 

[Jim]

Mostly on a CMHC site, you can nose in offside to the peg or reverse in nearside to the peg

Acutely aware of safety concerns I will always ensure that where i park on a pitch doesn't endanger me or others. That aside I can honestly say I have completely ignored every warden's suggestion about precisely where I park on the pitch I just rented just because of some aesthetics, ooh look don't they look nice all in a line. Only once did this result in a comedy stand-off. All the others who asked eventually resign themselves to that fact that I'm not moving.

 

[Gellyneck]

Then show me some, any at all, apart from forum heresay, Post just one bit of that plenty of evidence you have, and I'm on it.

Hopefully, you have more success, Jim, than I. Key reason I was trying to get evidence as to this happening from those "in the know" was to raise with MCA as a possible "work to be done" topic in conjunction with CAMpRA.

 

[Fragle]

From a local authority campsite application.
Subject to the following variations, the minimum spacing distance between caravans made of aluminium or other materials with similar fire performance properties should be not less than 5 metres between units, 3.5 metres at the corners. For those with a plywood or similar skin it should be not less than 6 metres. Where there is a mixture of holiday caravans of aluminium and plywood, the separation distance should be 6 metres; and where there is a mixture of permanent residential homes and holiday caravans, the separation distance should again be 6 metres. The point of measurement for porches, awnings etc is the exterior cladding of the caravan.

Isnt the 6meter rule for fire safety ?

Local authority applications vary so 6m rule has become adopted across the country for pitches that obviously can be used by motorhomes as well but the standard is for caravans.
But there is no stipulation that I can find that mentions motorhomes have to be 6m apart other than the fact they go on a campsite pitch that can be used and has to comply for a caravan. As the number of overnight parking for motorhomes in car parks shows.

So basically a fire safety rule for caravans on campsites.

 

[Langtoftlad]

Motorhomes are motor caravans... so...

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[Fragle]

Motorhomes are motor caravans... so...

So they are not caravans. The motor bit is the giveaway for most people

 

[TDub49]

From a local authority campsite application.
Subject to the following variations, the minimum spacing distance between caravans made of aluminium or other materials with similar fire performance properties should be not less than 5 metres between units, 3.5 metres at the corners. For those with a plywood or similar skin it should be not less than 6 metres. Where there is a mixture of holiday caravans of aluminium and plywood, the separation distance should be 6 metres; and where there is a mixture of permanent residential homes and holiday caravans, the separation distance should again be 6 metres. The point of measurement for porches, awnings etc is the exterior cladding of the caravan.


Local authority applications vary so 6m rule has become adopted across the country for pitches that obviously can be used by motorhomes as well but the standard is for caravans.
But there is no stipulation that I can find that mentions motorhomes have to be 6m apart other than the fact they go on a campsite pitch that can be used and has to comply for a caravan. As the number of overnight parking for motorhomes in car parks shows.

So basically a fire safety rule for caravans on campsites.

Not sure I understand this. Are you saying that motorhomes aren't inflammable and can be parked much more closely together? Personally, from the fire safety point of view, I would be uncomfortable with anything less than the minimum 5 metres mentioned in your post.

 

[63720]

Somebody may correct me but I thought the spacing rules were just 'recommendations'.

 

[M-J]

Who’d have thought the best thing some have to moan about is having space around their motorhome when pitched.

Can’t begin to imagine what the complaints/comments would be like if CAMC packed us in like sardines to increase capacity and turnover.

 

[Ivory55]

Somebody may correct me but I thought the spacing rules were just 'recommendations'.

They are but as already said if the insurance insists on it what choice do they have

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[Guigsy]

With regards to fires, are campsites higher risk than aire type arrangements? Camping means BBQs and flammable awnings whereas you aren't allowed to do 'camping' behaviours on aires. Caravans are often unoccupied for long periods of time, so a fire is less likely to be noticed. And if a fire does start, motorhomes don't need a car to be hooked up to them to be moved out of the way.

 

[Gellyneck]

From a local authority campsite application.
Subject to the following variations, the minimum spacing distance between caravans made of aluminium or other materials with similar fire performance properties should be not less than 5 metres between units, 3.5 metres at the corners. For those with a plywood or similar skin it should be not less than 6 metres. Where there is a mixture of holiday caravans of aluminium and plywood, the separation distance should be 6 metres; and where there is a mixture of permanent residential homes and holiday caravans, the separation distance should again be 6 metres. The point of measurement for porches, awnings etc is the exterior cladding of the caravan.


Local authority applications vary so 6m rule has become adopted across the country for pitches that obviously can be used by motorhomes as well but the standard is for caravans.
But there is no stipulation that I can find that mentions motorhomes have to be 6m apart other than the fact they go on a campsite pitch that can be used and has to comply for a caravan. As the number of overnight parking for motorhomes in car parks shows.

So basically a fire safety rule for caravans on campsites.

and from the Caravan Sites and Control of Development Act.

'“caravan” means any structure designed or adapted for human habitation which is capable of being moved from one place to another (whether by being towed, or by being transported on a motor vehicle or trailer) and any motor vehicle so designed or adapted, .........

 

[Ivory55]

With regards to fires, are campsites higher risk than aire type arrangements? Camping means BBQs and flammable awnings whereas you aren't allowed to do 'camping' behaviours on aires. Caravans are often unoccupied for long periods of time, so a fire is less likely to be noticed. And if a fire does start, motorhomes don't need a car to be hooked up to them to be moved out of the way.

I never knew motorhome was never left unattended like a caravan, learn something everyday. Haha

 

[Gellyneck]

I never knew motorhome was never left unattended like a caravan, learn something everyday. Haha

Don't be silly. Everybody using an aire to visit the local village \ town and support the local community does that via their internet connection within their motorhome!

 

[Puddleduck]

I might be the only one but I do like to have space around the van if I am parked up with strangers. 5m or 6m is fine by me

Rallies are a little different as we are all friends and trust / look out for each other so that if there is an issue it can be rapidly resolved. I know that at one rally we attended keys to vehicles were left with other attendees "just in case" when folk went out for the day.

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[Guigsy]

I never knew motorhome was never left unattended like a caravan, learn something everyday. Haha

Caravans are often on sites for the entire season, but the owners there only a few weeks at a time.

 

[Gellyneck]

I know that at one rally we attended keys to vehicles were left with other attendees "just in case"

Yeh, we've heard about these kind of meets!

 

[Guigsy]

I might be the only one but I do like to have space around the van if I am parked up with strangers. 5m or 6m is fine by me

Rallies are a little different as we are all friends and trust / look out for each other so that if there is an issue it can be rapidly resolved. I know that at one rally we attended keys to vehicles were left with other attendees "just in case" when folk went out for the day.

We've been to a few city centre urban sites in europe where you're packed in like a car park and where you have have to squeeze out of your door because they are packed in so tight! But in my mind, you're no closer than you would be to the person in the next room in a hotel. I'm not there for the view, the van is just there for the bed when I return from sightseeing in the evening.

 

[Gellyneck]

Caravans are often on sites for the entire season, but the owners there only a few weeks at a time.

I always thought that the volume of seasonal pitches were miniscule compared to touring pitches given the impact on financial turnover?

 

[Gellyneck]

We've been to a few city centre urban sites in europe where you're packed in like a car park and where you have have to squeeze out of your door because they are packed in so tight! But in my mind, you're no closer than you would be to the person in the next room in a hotel. I'm not there for the view, the van is just there for the bed when I return from sightseeing in the evening.

But hotel rooms \ facilities have to meet stringent fire regulations, etc. And, would guess, those staying in a hotel room are probably there for the same reasons as you in the car park?

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