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[SuperMike]

WHOOPS...

By the way... I was just thinking...

You have a licence that allows you to drive vehicles over 3,500 kilos, don't you?

JJ

Possible, FIGHT, FIGHT.

 

[TCG]

It seems some of you are so offended and just must say so. Would those of you who feel so outraged by this, like me to arrange a boxing ring so you can line up and give him a whack for his law-breaking. You'll be in no danger, he won't hit you back he's a quaker and it might make you feel better.

Jim, Know you are the boss etc... but what a silly post

 

[Jim]

Jim, Know you are the boss etc... but what a silly post

So just because I'm the boss I have to leave the silly ones to you. Hardly fair.

 

[chrisgreen]

Lucky hanging was banned years ago, as some members would be chasing JJ with a rope.

 

[Vipar]

PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE may I make it absolutely clear that...

UNDER NO CIRCUMSTANCES...

...do I ever wear socks with my beautiful (fake) crocs...


JJ

I wear fake sock with my crocks

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[Onemanandhisdog]

So just because I'm the boss I have to leave the silly ones to you. Hardly fair.

I did wonder what you were supposed to do when I read that, go and hang out on someone elses forum maybe ? ?

 

[The Dotties]

Just wondering if JJ is aware of how the medical tests works. I do fear he thinks he may have to disrobe, and subject himself to all sorts of unpleasantness.
i have a medical (70+) for HGV/PSV every year, takes no more than 10 minutes for blood pressure, vision test, listen to heart and chest and a few questions.
i would imagine the medical for 7.5 is even easier.
Have a look at some of our professional drivers older that 45 ( the medical needed age) and they appear far from fit, or even alive some of them, yet on they go.
JJ, do you not hold a Portuguese licence? And if you did do you still need the medical?

JJ

 

[gus-lopez]

The OP admits he didn't take the medical required to maintain his licence to drive his vehicle as he believed he would fail. He admits he was taking a chance. His 'luck' ran out.

If it is anything like the 'medical' required here to renew any type of driving licence he doesn't need to worry.

No idea how that works in UK or Portugal,

Same in the UK.

JJ then don't Drive...ever, I for one would report a driver who did not have a licence.

He doesn't not have a licence.

Not having a valid license invalidates your insurance.

No it doesn't .regardless of what you do the insurance companies are, & always have been even before the common market, liable for all 3rd party costs. This is why I am always amazed at anyone pleading guilty to having " no insurance" It isn't possible as long as you have paid .

Anyone who has the absolute basic insurance required to be on the road or ,like me, has only 3rd party insurance doesn't even worry.
Whether or not they then try to recover those from you is another matter.

They could check if your driving licence is valid like they could check your claims record when they take your money but they don't.............................WHY?

Because they will insure anything & the requirement is for you to comply rather than them telling you.

Does that mean you don’t have to take a Portuguese driving test if you are residing there.

Just asking out of interest.

no, you just swop the licence you have for a Portugese one. If the Portugese have no requirement to do it within a time period then it does not have to be done until it is due to be renewed.

 

[David and Sally]

Gus Lopez. In the UK your insurance is valid only if the driver has a valid licence for that class of vehicle and for that vehicle.

True the insurers will cover third-party claims in the event of an accident even if the driver does not have a licence but the driver will still be classed as driving without insurance if no valid licence.

UK Insurance Certificates state as such

 

[gus-lopez]

Just wondering if JJ is aware of how the medical tests works. I do fear he thinks he may have to disrobe, and subject himself to all sorts of unpleasantness.
i have a medical (70+) for HGV/PSV every year, takes no more than 10 minutes for blood pressure, vision test, listen to heart and chest and a few questions.
i would imagine the medical for 7.5 is even easier.
Have a look at some of our professional drivers older that 45 ( the medical needed age) and they appear far from fit, or even alive some of them, yet on they go.
JJ, do you not hold a Portuguese licence? And if you did do you still need the medical?

JJ

Here in Spain you have to have a 'medical' at a specialist standalone business that does nothing else except medicals medical tests for any type of licence, car, vans, hgv,shotgun, guns, etc; etc;
A " Centro de Reconicimiento"
for the basic car driving test it is every 10 years but if you have C1 or wish to tow with a larger van then that has to be done every 5 years .Both are shown on the licence with different expiry dates. Renewal at 5 years automatically updates the 10 years for the cars. Failing to renew the C1 at 5 years means nothing as it automatically gets renewed when you do the car at 10 years.
In some areas /centres you have to do a test that checks hand/eye coordination. This used to be, & in some places still is, like the fairground game where you have to move the hoop from one side to the other without making the bell ring by touching the wire. Others have an onscreen test which is similar,
You are asked what medicine you take ,with anything for cholesterol or blood pressure not being counted.
Your blood pressure is taken.
You have an eye test.
I have renewed my licence, including the C1+E 5 or 6 times .Of the above only ever had an eye test.
Once done a new photo is taken in the office & all is transmitted online to Trafico. Licence appears in 3 weeks. I doubt whether the Portugese one would be more onerous but Brian Baldeagle7470 could clarify.

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[Baldeagle7470]

Here in Spain you have to have a 'medical' at a specialist standalone business that does nothing else except medicals medical tests for any type of licence, car, vans, hgv,shotgun, guns, etc; etc;
A " Centro de Reconicimiento"
for the basic car driving test it is every 10 years but if you have C1 or wish to tow with a larger van then that has to be done every 5 years .Both are shown on the licence with different expiry dates. Renewal at 5 years automatically updates the 10 years for the cars. Failing to renew the C1 at 5 years means nothing as it automatically gets renewed when you do the car at 10 years.
In some areas /centres you have to do a test that checks hand/eye coordination. This used to be, & in some places still is, like the fairground game where you have to move the hoop from one side to the other without making the bell ring by touching the wire. Others have an onscreen test which is similar,
You are asked what medicine you take ,with anything for cholesterol or blood pressure not being counted.
Your blood pressure is taken.
You have an eye test.
I have renewed my licence, including the C1+E 5 or 6 times .Of the above only ever had an eye test.
Once done a new photo is taken in the office & all is transmitted online to Trafico. Licence appears in 3 weeks. I doubt whether the Portugese one would be more onerous but Brian Baldeagle7470 could clarify.

Quite correct,
A simple eye test,take that to the doc’s as it’s our regular one,no charge no examination ,she sends your details to the IMF directly,you go there,no appointment necessary,take your eye test form,UK licence,residents papers,they take your picture and give you a temporary licence,the card one arrives within three weeks,@€35 I think.Mine was for my 70th and still have Moto all groups,but vehicle groups different to UK.
Photo to follow.I didn’t need or worry of having over 3.5 tonnes,been there done that BFN

 

[gus-lopez]

Gus Lopez. In the UK your insurance is valid only if the driver has a valid licence for that class of vehicle and for that vehicle.

True the insurers will cover third-party claims in the event of an accident even if the driver does not have a licence but the driver will still be classed as driving without insurance if no valid licence.

UK Insurance Certificates state as such

You are only required in the UK to be able to cover the costs of any 3rd parties damages. The fact that you have taken out insurance & paid means they have accepted the liability. The fact that you do not have the correct licence doesn't mean that they cannot pay out .They have to. It would be a civil matter for the insurance company to reclaim from you. There is no requirement for you to have any own damage coverage on your vehicles .

Anyone who is reasonably wealthy or, like the cash in transit companies had to do when no company would touch them, deposits 500k with the Attorney General & that covers all liabilities under the terms of the act requiring you to be able to cover 3rd party claims. If more is required they come after you. There is no actual requirement in the United Kingdom to have insurance via a company only the requirement to be able to cover the 3rd party costs.
**Additionally when you go down this route they also pay you interest at the daily rate**
The preceding only covers 3rd party costs & own damage is completely excluded.
This is why I fail to see how anyone can be "uninsured"

 

[Baldeagle7470]

 

[David and Sally]

Gus-Lopez . You are correct I think about lodging an amount to cover third-party claims although I doubt this seldom happens.

But as I understand it here if you have no licence than you can't insure a vehicle or if you are driving a vehicle without a licence you are classed as uninsured. Agree that if push came to shove the insurers do have to pay third party claims. This about valid insurance. It is invalid if obtained by falsely claiming to have a licence and will be voided by the insurer as if it never happened.

On that basis the vehicle can be seized until someone comes along who is insured and licenced to drive it. Other wise it is crushed.

Traffic officers please chime in!!

 

[yodeli]

WHOOPS...

Sorry Princess but I knew it was past your bedtime.

By the way... I was just thinking...

You have a licence that allows you to drive vehicles over 3,500 kilos, don't you?



JJ

Sorry.....Nope!

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[The Dotties]

Sorry.....Nope!

This thread has taken a whole new direction!?

 

[chaser]

This thread has taken a whole new direction!?

O dear o dear dear

 

[yodeli]

This thread has taken a whole new direction!?

Indeed? Why? I don't have the licence. I wanted to pass the test but only had 6 hours driving because they were always shut when I could come... or let it be fair .... I work all week 7/7 and at that time was ended my day at 8.00pm . No one normal is working after that time. So there, just had to choose a Moho under 3,5t, which I did. Max is only 3,2t.

 

[iandsm]

Please answer why I would have a pop at the police ?. I stated true facts that I know to be true. I do not know where you live, but can assure you that if you lived in Liverpool and you tried to call the police on a non emergency line, which in JJs case would be a non emergency, as no one was injured, you would be lucky to get an answer same day, let alone as I stated in 2 hours. I thought I was being kind to the police by saying 2 hours. Ah well, next time I will know better.

I suppose its may be different in different parts of the country, some may answer sooner than others, You say you thought you were being kind, perhaps you were but it didn't read that way to me. It read that you were moaning about the the taken to answer the call. I speak for experience too, calls in my part of the country are routinely answered within ten minutes and often sooner.

 

[Snowbird]

UPDATE.

Following a long meeting last night with two of my people (for those Funsters who know, Mosca and Fatima) my blessed Hymer is no longer for sale.

It will remain as my home on Quinta Majay for the foreseeable future.

For any of the Algarve "gang" that I often meet up with over the festive season, be prepared to be introduced to a new (very) Stealth Wagon...

Nothing cast in stone but hopes are high right now...


JJ

WHAT !!!!. You bought a vehicle without consulting your UK buying department. Am not surprised Mothercare has gone down the pan with all this internet shopping.

It read that you were moaning about the the taken to answer the call.

Me moaning,,,,, certainly not, am a Brexiteer.

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[JJ]

certainly not, I am a Brexiteer

That's why I no longer use your services... you no longer have access to the markets I like to trade in!


JJ

 

[Snowbird]

That's why I no longer use your services... you no longer have access to the markets I like to trade in!


JJ

Thats the problem nowadays, no customer loyalty, but thankfully there is a bigger market out there in the rest of the world.

 

[Gromett]

What it means in Belgium and Luxembourg, in case of a road accident, if the driver is in breach of his contract what whatever reason, the insurance will indemnify the third parties, even for heavy liabilities, but will then seek to recoup the cost from the insured party, which generally means your life is ruined (house sold, salary preemptively seized with a basic allocation left to you, etc...). But at least the public remains protected as long as the driver has a paid insurance.

As I understand it, that is how it works in the UK as well.

 

[Sundowners]

In Portugal, it is the vehicle which is insured, not the driver, if a vehicle is more than ten years old you can only get third party.

Also when you change your English licence to Portuguese, the C1+E is not transferrable, if anyone knows any different, please let us know as soon as, as we are in this predicament right now.

 

[Allanm]

Thats the problem nowadays, no customer loyalty, but thankfully there is a bigger market out there in the rest of the world.

Wasn’t it because of that “bigger market” the UK did what they did in 1973?

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[The Dotties]

Indeed? Why? I don't have the licence. I wanted to pass the test but only had 6 hours driving because they were always shut when I could come... or let it be fair .... I work all week 7/7 and at that time was ended my day at 8.00pm . No one normal is working after that time. So there, just had to choose a Moho under 3,5t, which I did. Max is only 3,2t.

Yodeli,
Apologies if I caused any offence, your language skills in English are very good. I think you may have missed the nuance in your posts to JJ.
I got the impression JJ had annoyed you with his late posting and had visions of him sitting on the naughty step. Without his tea!

 

[gus-lopez]

In Portugal, it is the vehicle which is insured, not the driver, if a vehicle is more than ten years old you can only get third party.

Also when you change your English licence to Portuguese, the C1+E is not transferrable, if anyone knows any different, please let us know as soon as, as we are in this predicament right now.

My understanding is that under EU rules they have to exchange the licence complete with what is on it regardless of how it was obtained. There is no problem in spain exchanging one with C1 & C1+E on it.
It is also the same in spain that only a maximum of t,p f & T is available after 10 years , although if you have full comp it will continue regardless unless you attempt to change to another company.

** Whislt still in the EU you can ask the question of the EU using this

https://ec.europa.eu/solvit/index_en.htm

 

[yodeli]

Yodeli,
Apologies if I caused any offence, your language skills in English are very good. I think you may have missed the nuance in your posts to JJ.
I got the impression JJ had annoyed you with his late posting and had visions of him sitting on the naughty step. Without his tea!

Impression could have been right lol, but still true that I haven' t got the licence. A little kick that came up with 2 little words. You didn t offend me. The second I saw Chris smiley laughing, I thought people would consider my answer much more as a F.O. ? then as a real statement. Let s say it was half / half

 

[Silver-Fox]

Just wondering if JJ is aware of how the medical tests works. I do fear he thinks he may have to disrobe, and subject himself to all sorts of unpleasantness.
i have a medical (70+) for HGV/PSV every year, takes no more than 10 minutes for blood pressure, vision test, listen to heart and chest and a few questions.
i would imagine the medical for 7.5 is even easier.
Have a look at some of our professional drivers older that 45 ( the medical needed age) and they appear far from fit, or even alive some of them, yet on they go.
JJ, do you not hold a Portuguese licence? And if you did do you still need the medical?

JJ

And there was me thinking you enjoyed a bit of latex glove action in a certain area The Dotties ?

 

[bobandjanie]

In Portugal, it is the vehicle which is insured, not the driver, if a vehicle is more than ten years old you can only get third party.

Also when you change your English licence to Portuguese, the C1+E is not transferrable, if anyone knows any different, please let us know as soon as, as we are in this predicament right now.

Nigel if it's anything like the Spanish medical / test and you pass you can request you keep your C1 or here it's the B1 Janie kept hers, as you know I lost mine because here with only one eye, you can only have a B licence 3500kg but kept my full motorcycle licence. ?
This is what happens in Spain. ? Bob.

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