Greater Manchester Clean Air Plans - Charging Motorhomes

[2657]

Much talk of LA's using these schemes purely as a revenue earner but in an earlier post by EuroTrotters there is a link stating that payments go via a central government payment portal!

 

[Bailey58]

I briefly heard this mentioned on PMQ's today, I will watch later when I can stomach listening to all the sheep.

 

[GJH]

Unless you live in that zone. P.s. I don’t but would be very annoyed it I did

Even so, keeping a non-compliant vehicle in the zone is a choice.
Having said that, if you care to look back over the years you will see that I've made representations (including to Livingstone and Johnson) pointing out the effects on existing residents on several occasions

 

[Wabs]

Even so, keeping a non-compliant vehicle in the zone is a choice.
Having said that, if you care to look back over the years you will see that I've made representations (including to Livingstone and Johnson) pointing out the effects on existing residents on several occasions

So,do we all have to buy vehicles which comply with a mandate,just to drive on roads which we have already paid for? And will they pay me to change my car for something that does comply? It’s all total B***I*I*x

 

[Wabs]

It’s the whole of GManchester , 500 sq miles which includes anywhere off the M60’ and M62 , that can’t be right , especially as the quality of the air is well within safe levels. The public transport infrastructure outside of city centre areas is poor.

Totally agree, it’s just another fundraising TAX,

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[Wabs]

If this stupid tax carries on,it will totally ruin the economy, any person in their right mind will not drive anywhere,,(unless they have a compliant vehicle) I think the word to worry about is compliant,, taxed to the nuts and told where you can’t go,,doesnt sit well with me

 

[Millie 'n us]

We were ‘done’ twice in Portsmouth desperately looking for somewhere to park after our ferry was cancelled due to storm whatever. As the penalties were sent to our home whilst we’re in Spain the costs have gone from £50.00 each to £120.00 each. We didn’t intend driving around in the city but had no option (hunting down vets, PCs tests etc due to Brittany rebooking us to France). Does not seem just!!

 

[PaulyP]

Boris has said today it’s totally unworkable and there will be more said in the next few days.
The people of Manchester have had their say, scrap it and get rid of Andy Burnham, he’s now doing the politician bit blaming everybody else, nothing to do with me, I’m all for scrapping it, it’s the governments fault.

 

[Wabs]

I’m on a roll here, but has any of these local govs,realised what it will do to their bottom line? Tourism is the biggest industry for all the major cities in the UK, if you start putting up barriers, people will not come, I certainly won’t. Next, you have the local govs asking for funding because the interior trading has failed, and they need help for bringing new trade,which is shipped by road transport,which is affected by Clean air zones and congestion charges,,, just goes to show,,all councils don’t really care, unless it’s their salaries,

 

[Wabs]

Even so, keeping a non-compliant vehicle in the zone is a choice.
Having said that, if you care to look back over the years you will see that I've made representations (including to Livingstone and Johnson) pointing out the effects on existing residents on several occasions

That’s just plain bonkers

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[GJH]

So,do we all have to buy vehicles which comply with a mandate,just to drive on roads which we have already paid for? And will they pay me to change my car for something that does comply? It’s all total B***I*I*x

That is what the government passed the legislation to achieve. Local councils can't just choose not to obey national legislation.

That’s just plain bonkers

As is much about central goverment - of both shades.

I’m on a roll here, but has any of these local govs,realised what it will do to their bottom line? Tourism is the biggest industry for all the major cities in the UK, if you start putting up barriers, people will not come, I certainly won’t. Next, you have the local govs asking for funding because the interior trading has failed, and they need help for bringing new trade,which is shipped by road transport,which is affected by Clean air zones and congestion charges,,, just goes to show,,all councils don’t really care, unless it’s their salaries,

Yes, local councils do realise that, which is why many have put in place other measures to reduce pollution where possible. The bottom line though, as pointed out above, is that they have to implement measures to meet legislative standards set by central government.

 

[AnnieB]

Andy Burnham issued a statement yesterday regarding a submission made to the S of S re the CAZ.
If anyone wants to read the whole statement it’s in the Andy Burnham Facebook pages.

Here’s an extract of the proposals - (including reference to dropping the charge for Motorhomes and campervans completely).


“However, responding to the concerns people have raised – and I have been listening – and to provide clarity where we can, I am now proposing that the SoS issues a new Direction to provide for the following:

First, that the Clean Air Zone scheduled to begin on 30th May 2022 continues but as a non-charging GM-wide Category B CAZ (including buses, HGVs and non-GM registered taxis). This will allow people time to adjust and, instead of fines, people will be contacted to advise to where they can find support.

Second, that all private-use leisure vehicles – such as motorhomes, camper-vans and horseboxes, as well as cars, motorbikes and mopeds – are permanently exempted from the CAZ.

Third, if the evidence supports it, that there will no longer be a GM-wide Category C zone (including vans and GM-registered taxis) but either a reduced Category C scheme or no Category C scheme at all. This will depend on the Government decision on an amended year of compliance.

Fourth, to reconfirm that this is a temporary CAZ which will last no longer than it is needed to achieve air compliance. Early discussions have already begun with Greater Manchester Police with regard to the potential use of the ANPR infrastructure in the second half of this decade for policing purposes. If this proposal was to be taken forward, there would be a full public consultation on it and all of the implications carefully considered.”

 

[Mr porky]

I work in Manchester for a few months a year and have just bought a small berlingo van (diesel) for the company. Even with the expected charges it still didn't convince me to purchase an electric van.

 

[Ivory55]

I work in Manchester for a few months a year and have just bought a small berlingo van (diesel) for the company. Even with the expected charges it still didn't convince me to purchase an electric van.

I think that the parking changes are extortion as well in Manchester, luckily don’t go there that often.

 

[2657]

We can all moan and complain as much as we want about the introduction of these zones but it is going to happen in one form or another.
There are simply far too many polluting vehicles being used on unnecessary journeys because of the lifestyle and working practices that we have become accustomed to, this is simply unsustainable in the long term.
The world and the society we live in is changing and we will have to get used to it.
There should be free public transport throughout the UK with Park and Ride facilities around urban conurbations which should be largely traffic free.
All this will cost of course but in my opinion it is the best solution to this problem.

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[LesW]

There should be free public transport throughout the UK with Park and Ride facilities around urban conurbations which should be largely traffic free.
All this will cost of course but in my opinion it is the best solution to this problem.

Great idea, but unfortunately profit comes before any plans to create cleaner air.

 

[Mr porky]

I think that the parking changes are extortion as well in Manchester, luckily don’t go there that often.

As long as you are in the know there's cheap parking to be had. Although it's a good 15 min walk in.

 

[Wabs]

I work in Manchester for a few months a year and have just bought a small berlingo van (diesel) for the company. Even with the expected charges it still didn't convince me to purchase an electric van.

Totally agree, the UK does not have the infrastructure for electric vehicle,,,yet,,most of the charging points are broken, and way too far apart,,I’ll stick with what I have, at least I’ll know I’ll get to where I’m going without worrying about breaking down running out of charge

 

[Ivory55]

As long as you are in the know there's cheap parking to be had. Although it's a good 15 min walk in.

We’re usually either loaded with the Red Cross parcel ( mum’s never let go haha) or collecting son plus cats etc so not really good for walking. If just visiting we try hotels with parking or stay out of town.

 

[ktommo]

Vehicles in the disabled tax class are exempt

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[PaulyP]

Andy Burnham issued a statement yesterday regarding a submission made to the S of S re the CAZ.
If anyone wants to read the whole statement it’s in the Andy Burnham Facebook pages.

Here’s an extract of the proposals - (including reference to dropping the charge for Motorhomes and campervans completely).


“However, responding to the concerns people have raised – and I have been listening – and to provide clarity where we can, I am now proposing that the SoS issues a new Direction to provide for the following:

First, that the Clean Air Zone scheduled to begin on 30th May 2022 continues but as a non-charging GM-wide Category B CAZ (including buses, HGVs and non-GM registered taxis). This will allow people time to adjust and, instead of fines, people will be contacted to advise to where they can find support.

Second, that all private-use leisure vehicles – such as motorhomes, camper-vans and horseboxes, as well as cars, motorbikes and mopeds – are permanently exempted from the CAZ.

Third, if the evidence supports it, that there will no longer be a GM-wide Category C zone (including vans and GM-registered taxis) but either a reduced Category C scheme or no Category C scheme at all. This will depend on the Government decision on an amended year of compliance.

Fourth, to reconfirm that this is a temporary CAZ which will last no longer than it is needed to achieve air compliance. Early discussions have already begun with Greater Manchester Police with regard to the potential use of the ANPR infrastructure in the second half of this decade for policing purposes. If this proposal was to be taken forward, there would be a full public consultation on it and all of the implications carefully considered.”

Andy Burnham is fighting for his life as far as mayor of greater Manchester, he is now throwing out loads of lies that he is totally against caz and is trying to stop it but the nasty government is making him do it.
Government were sued by client earth, apparently a charity which pays its CEO £250,000, we as a country add approx 1% to worlds pollution whereas Russia, China and the USA add approx 30% each, we just happen to be a soft touch, they haven’t tried to sue the others.
So government sends out the message to all areas that they have to meet the standards, greater Manchester do for most of the areas and other areas are just a bit short, now it’s up to the local councils as to how they handle it, lots have done it with no charges but Burnham decides the whole of greater Manchester and let’s charge people, he’s a slimeball who is trying to wriggle out of it, he’s cocked up a few times in his career but always tries to put the blame on others. This time he’s taken on the public of greater Manchester, a place that has the worker bees as their symbol and he’s going to get stung.
2008 the people of Manchester had a referendum on a congestion charge, it was thrown out, now he’s trying to sneak it in under a different name with no public consultation.

 

[PaulyP]

We can all moan and complain as much as we want about the introduction of these zones but it is going to happen in one form or another.
There are simply far too many polluting vehicles being used on unnecessary journeys because of the lifestyle and working practices that we have become accustomed to, this is simply unsustainable in the long term.
The world and the society we live in is changing and we will have to get used to it.
There should be free public transport throughout the UK with Park and Ride facilities around urban conurbations which should be largely traffic free.
All this will cost of course but in my opinion it is the best solution to this problem.

So your polluting vehicle can still be used as long as you are prepared to pay the charge !
If the vehicles are that bad then ban them, but no let’s charge them and make money instead.

 

[2657]

So your polluting vehicle can still be used as long as you are prepared to pay the charge !
If the vehicles are that bad then ban them, but no let’s charge them and make money instead.

Did you actually read my post?
I am all for banning polluting and most other non essential vehicles from City/Town centres.

 

[PaulyP]

Vehicles in the disabled tax class are exempt

Just had our motobility vehicle in for its second year service, this time next year it will be replaced for a new one, I presume that we would never have to pay to drive in a caz zone, but that’s not the point, nobody should have to pay at all.

 

[PaulyP]

Did you actually read my post?
I am all for banning polluting and most other non essential vehicles from City/Town centres.

Sorry, I realise that, my point is it’s not about polluting vehicles but about the money they can make from them.

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[PaulyP]

We’re usually either loaded with the Red Cross parcel ( mum’s never let go haha) or collecting son plus cats etc so not really good for walking. If just visiting we try hotels with parking or stay out of town.

Staying out of town won’t work as far as the caz, it covers the whole of greater Manchester all 493 square miles of it.

 

[engelside]

Andy Burnham is fighting for his life as far as mayor of greater Manchester, he is now throwing out loads of lies that he is totally against caz and is trying to stop it but the nasty government is making him do it.
Government were sued by client earth, apparently a charity which pays its CEO £250,000, we as a country add approx 1% to worlds pollution whereas Russia, China and the USA add approx 30% each, we just happen to be a soft touch, they haven’t tried to sue the others.
So government sends out the message to all areas that they have to meet the standards, greater Manchester do for most of the areas and other areas are just a bit short, now it’s up to the local councils as to how they handle it, lots have done it with no charges but Burnham decides the whole of greater Manchester and let’s charge people, he’s a slimeball who is trying to wriggle out of it, he’s cocked up a few times in his career but always tries to put the blame on others. This time he’s taken on the public of greater Manchester, a place that has the worker bees as their symbol and he’s going to get stung.
2008 the people of Manchester had a referendum on a congestion charge, it was thrown out, now he’s trying to sneak it in under a different name with no public consultation.

I would be interested to know where you get these figures from. I am not necessarily disagreeing with them but I think that they need to be clarified?

 

[2657]

Sorry, I realise that, my point is it’s not about polluting vehicles but about the money they can make from them.

I know you are highly critical of Andy Burnham for this but the main driver of the policy is central government and as I posted earlier the money is paid via central government portal.
I have no idea if this money is then fed back into local government.

 

[PaulyP]

I’m really angry about all this, just been on the fields with the dogs and two of the guys there have motorhomes both are euro 5 and will be chargeable, they are both in perfect condition however when they drive the approx half mile to the m60 ring road they will be charged £10, same when they return.
It’s really making my blood boil.

 

[Ivory55]

Staying out of town won’t work as far as the caz, it covers the whole of greater Manchester all 493 square miles of it.

I think new mills marina campsite is out side and a train station to get into town

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