Greater Manchester Clean Air Plans - Charging Motorhomes

[Fdhadi]

Just a thought to all those who will avoid going into the GM boundaries.
Don’t bypass by using the motorway network anywhere near.
If there’s an accident or the motorway is closed for any reason, you WILL be diverted off and into the pay zone.
Now that’s a huge area to avoid and an awful long way to go around.
I live near to the M6 J27. This stretch of the motorway is regularly closed due to accidents or road works.
Guess which way traffic is diverted. Drive off, you pay, unless your vehicle is exempt.
So check before you drive, so you’re aware of a possible charge.

So avoid using

M6
M56
M60
M61
M602
M67

Just in case your diverted for any reason whatsoever.

 

[PaulyP]

I know you are highly critical of Andy Burnham for this but the main driver of the policy is central government and as I posted earlier the money is paid via central government portal.
I have no idea if this money is then fed back into local government.

It’s not central government that decided the size of the caz or whether to charge that’s down to each individual areas councils, Leeds sorted their area by getting new transport vehicles, no charges to the public, Birmingham’s caz is the central area of the city which attracts charges, so you have a choice to go in there or not, Manchester’s is just a rip off. It’s all down to Burnham and his acolytes, he has made himself public enemy No 1 in Manchester.

 

[PaulyP]

I would be interested to know where you get these figures from. I am not necessarily disagreeing with them but I think that they need to be clarified?

I may not be perfectly accurate with the figures but it points out the vast difference between ourselves and other countries, on our local Facebook there is “rethink the clean air zone” Manchester, the figures come up on there, I think they’re factual from a good source, had in not been for rethink nobody have know about it till too late, now there are 80,000 followers and it’s spreading fast, still amazing that lots don’t know of it, the scheme that is.

 

[PaulyP]

Just a thought to all those who will avoid going into the GM boundaries.
Don’t bypass by using the motorway network anywhere near.
If there’s an accident or the motorway is closed for any reason, you WILL be diverted off and into the pay zone.
Now that’s a huge area to avoid and an awful long way to go around.
I live near to the M6 J27. This stretch of the motorway is regularly closed due to accidents or road works.
Guess which way traffic is diverted. Drive off, you pay, unless your vehicle is exempt.
So check before you drive, so you’re aware of a possible charge.

So avoid using

M6
M56
M60
M61
M602
M67

Just in case your diverted for any reason whatsoever.

That question about diverting off the motorway due to accidents etc has been asked regarding charges, still awaiting answer.

 

[PaulyP]

I think new mills marina campsite is out side and a train station to get into town

Just make sure you get to new mills without entering the zone !

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[PaulyP]

Andy Burnham issued a statement yesterday regarding a submission made to the S of S re the CAZ.
If anyone wants to read the whole statement it’s in the Andy Burnham Facebook pages.

Here’s an extract of the proposals - (including reference to dropping the charge for Motorhomes and campervans completely).


“However, responding to the concerns people have raised – and I have been listening – and to provide clarity where we can, I am now proposing that the SoS issues a new Direction to provide for the following:

First, that the Clean Air Zone scheduled to begin on 30th May 2022 continues but as a non-charging GM-wide Category B CAZ (including buses, HGVs and non-GM registered taxis). This will allow people time to adjust and, instead of fines, people will be contacted to advise to where they can find support.

Second, that all private-use leisure vehicles – such as motorhomes, camper-vans and horseboxes, as well as cars, motorbikes and mopeds – are permanently exempted from the CAZ.

Third, if the evidence supports it, that there will no longer be a GM-wide Category C zone (including vans and GM-registered taxis) but either a reduced Category C scheme or no Category C scheme at all. This will depend on the Government decision on an amended year of compliance.

Fourth, to reconfirm that this is a temporary CAZ which will last no longer than it is needed to achieve air compliance. Early discussions have already begun with Greater Manchester Police with regard to the potential use of the ANPR infrastructure in the second half of this decade for policing purposes. If this proposal was to be taken forward, there would be a full public consultation on it and all of the implications carefully considered.”

I like the bit where he says “I have been listening” he certainly hasn’t but now his rip off scheme has been rumbled he suddenly appears to be, he knows he has made a complete mess of things as he has on a few other occasions.

 

[patricia the newbie]

I wi not visit any town or city that brings these ridiculous taxes in. As for Manchester, London etc , these are Labour people who are so enthusiastic to enforce this. I think a plague on both their houses , vote them out

 

[gus-lopez]

you WILL be diverted off and into the pay zone.

No you just refuse to move & park up .

 

[Ivory55]

Just make sure you get to new mills without entering the zone !

I guess that’s one good thing of not having a van now

 

[engelside]

I may not be perfectly accurate with the figures but it points out the vast difference between ourselves and other countries, on our local Facebook there is “rethink the clean air zone” Manchester, the figures come up on there, I think they’re factual from a good source, had in not been for rethink nobody have know about it till too late, now there are 80,000 followers and it’s spreading fast, still amazing that lots don’t know of it, the scheme that is.

Sorry, but quoting figures without anything to back it up (a FB group is not the font of information!) is a tad disengenuous. As I said earlier, I am not disputing those figures but wouldn't dream of using figures I couldn't back up.

There is so much disinformation on the internet nowadays you have to be really careful when making claims about anything.

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[leggings]

It's already happening all over the country, not just at some stagee in the future, because it's been government policy for several years: https://www.gov.uk/guidance/driving-in-a-clean-air-zone
It would be nice if councils exempted motorhomes, because of their general low mileage, but London set the precedent when both Livingstone and Johnson refused to make any concessions.

The government not Councils are responsible for congestion charges. Johnson, as always blames someone else.

 

[PaulyP]

Sorry, but quoting figures without anything to back it up (a FB group is not the font of information!) is a tad disengenuous. As I said earlier, I am not disputing those figures but wouldn't dream of using figures I couldn't back up.

There is so much disinformation on the internet nowadays you have to be really careful when making claims about anything.

The information from this particular Facebook group I would believe, they have done their research and I’m sure they would have in right as they are quite prepared to take this too a court case so they couldn’t be inaccurate with the figures.
I wouldn’t normally take anything on Facebook as genuine but in this case I would make an exception, not everything printed on the group can be trusted but those running the group can

 

[PaulyP]

The government not Councils are responsible for congestion charges. Johnson, as always blames someone else.

Read up on it, the government has to do it so it passes it on to the local councils and let’s them decide on the best way to do it for their area, some do it well others not so well, so the implementation and control of them is not down to the government. They don’t have to bring in a charge if they can do it another way.

 

[PaulyP]

No you just refuse to move & park up .

Good idea but you may be sat there for a long time, mind you as your self sufficient I don’t suppose it would be bad.

 

[PaulyP]

I wi not visit any town or city that brings these ridiculous taxes in. As for Manchester, London etc , these are Labour people who are so enthusiastic to enforce this. I think a plague on both their houses , vote them out

Don’t worry we certainly will try.

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[PaulyP]

Ok go to IQ air.com. Listed 106 countries pollution wise we come in at No 92, top three polluting countries are Bangladesh, Pakistan and India. The figures are out there.

 

[patricia the newbie]

The government not Councils are responsible for congestion charges. Johnson, as always blames someone else.

There both to blame , we need to vote both Labour and Conservatives out.
I have been talking to REFORM
Who have told me they are planning to roll this back . Boris has to go as he's to closely associated with the Green agenda

 

[PaulyP]

There’s no other party that can win, labour are now useless, and I say that after 50 years of voting for them, they no longer represent the working man as they use to do, all politicians are in it for themselves, they no longer look after the people.

 

[Wabs]

Shame that Farage is not it,, I’d vote for a straight talker for once,,,as for Keir Starmer,,, what a complete cock

 

[PaulyP]

Shame that Farage is not it,, I’d vote for a straight talker for once,,,as for Keir Starmer,,, what a complete cock

Couldn’t have described him better

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[dunnah01]

Well now some of you have got that out of your system you'll be sad to see that the CAZ has been halted

 

[PaulyP]

Well now some of you have got that out of your system you'll be sad to see that the CAZ has been halted

No it’s been paused for a couple of months till July and they have until 2026 to make it all work, the snake Burnham is just trying to delay things whilst he tries other ways to get it in, the only acceptable change is a complete scrapping of the charges.

 

[Rumour and Innuendo]

The information from this particular Facebook group I would believe, they have done their research and I’m sure they would have in right as they are quite prepared to take this too a court case so they couldn’t be inaccurate with the figures.
I wouldn’t normally take anything on Facebook as genuine but in this case I would make an exception, not everything printed on the group can be trusted but those running the group can

Because it supports your stance? If they can't post the link to the figures, they most likely are not correct.

And why have you got to revert to childhood and use name calling in your posts on anything you don't agree with?

 

[Fdhadi]

We have a Euro 5+ Fiat Ducato 2.3 (130bhp) registered 24/03/2016.
It’s 3.5t PLG and looking to uprate to 3.75t PHG

Below is a chart with the charges for the different clean air zones for our vehicle at 3.5t PLG.
If anyone has the same engine but registered as PHG so more than 3.5t could you please show me the different charges before I uprate.

Hope that makes sense?

 

[BikerGraham]

We have a Euro 5+ Fiat Ducato 2.3 (130bhp) registered 24/03/2016.
It’s 3.5t PLG and looking to uprate to 3.75t PHG

Below is a chart with the charges for the different clean air zones for our vehicle at 3.5t PLG.
If anyone has the same engine but registered as PHG so more than 3.5t could you please show me the different charges before I uprate.

Hope that makes sense?

I’ve put a couple of comments out on this as I’m looking for a new van.
I’ve noticed that when registered at 3650 / 3850 even some 15 plate Ducato 130hp vans show up as no charge on any of the CAZ on the official website.

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[Fdhadi]

That’s what’s confusing me Graham.
Not only is the road tax cheaper but I’m almost certain no charge on the CAZ site.
Very strange.

 

[BikerGraham]

That’s what’s confusing me Graham.
Not only is the road tax cheaper but I’m almost certain no charge on the CAZ site.
Very strange.

Seems to be an unintended anomaly within the system. No doubt they will notice and close it….

 

[Fdhadi]

No brainier, will get it uprated.

 

[leggings]

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This has been mentioned previously but there is a consultation ongoing - can as many people as possible please fill in the survey? Our situation is that we live 1 mile from the M62 and would be charged £10 to travel for 1 mile and the same back home again. You may not want to travel to Manchester but if it goes through it will be happening all over the country at some stage in the future which would affect more people. Motorhomes are the only vehicles that are privately owned that would be eligible for this charge - the other charges are for business vehicles.

The problem is that emissions are killing folk and are predicted to kill many more in the future. I’ve seen MH’s with ‘’we’re spending the kids inheritance’ don’t let’s ruin their future.

 

[PaulyP]

The problem is that emissions are killing folk and are predicted to kill many more in the future. I’ve seen MH’s with ‘’we’re spending the kids inheritance’ don’t let’s ruin their future.

“Emissions killing folk” this is a myth, Greater Manchester has low No2 figures all across the area, the 1200 deaths per year is a figure constantly quoted and is not backed up with fact.
The feelings coming out from “rethink the clean air zone greater Manchester “ makes me think the caz May be scrapped.

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