Current U.K. law on up plating has been changed WITHOUT consultation

[Guzziando]

Ok thanks, now I get it. Despite the message in the SV Tech letter, I took the view that it was better to ask forgiveness than to seek permission and when I sent the V5 off (M1 in section J) using the logic that they could only say no, I applied to change the taxation class to PHGV as well as the 4000kg uprate. Not only was the V5 waiting on the doormat when we got back today with 4000 kg and PHGV taxation class plus a separate letter telling me to change the direct debit by applying for new one and cancelling the previous.

The moral of this story is to apply for PHGV anyway

Happy duck!

I sent my V5 and change of taxation letter off to the DVLA on 30 September, up-plating to 4000Kg. It is classified as a Motor Caravan, so it will also be approved. How long did it take for the paperwork to be returned from the DVLA?

 

[DuxDeluxe]

I sent my V5 and change of taxation letter off to the DVLA on 30 September, up-plating to 4000Kg. It is classified as a Motor Caravan, so it will also be approved. How long did it take for the paperwork to be returned from the DVLA?

You have specifically request for the taxation class to be changed - the box is to the right of the one requesting the uprate. If you did that then spot on! It took about 3 weeks but it appeared on the dvla website on 2nd October with the paperwork arriving today

 

[Guzziando]

You have specifically request for the taxation class to be changed - the box is to the right of the one requesting the uprate. If you did that then spot on! It took about 3 weeks but it appeared on the dvla website on 2nd October with the paperwork arriving today

I completed form V70, I did not complete the part on the V5 about taxation, as I assumed that completing the V70 form requesting a change of taxation class would cover that?

 

[DuxDeluxe]

I completed form V70, I did not complete the part on the V5 about taxation, as I assumed that completing the V70 form requesting a change of taxation class would cover that?

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Other people could answer better but all I did was put PHGV under tax class rather than left blank

 

[KASPAR]

Other people could answer better but all I did was put PHGV under tax class rather than left blank

My post #85 explains wot I did. Under 3 weeks. Lower VED rate now.

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[L' Hobo]

And yet we have as a generation spent more than we earned and left the bill for the next generation the figures are a matter of fact. I too have never been on the dole or used a food bank neither though would I campaign for higher state pensions as a lot of here seem to having only paid for a very basic pension for generations before.

But has that not always been the situation?
The next generation spent more than the last?

When I was a teenager in the 50's, no-one I knew, and that included their Fathers ( women rarely worked full time) earned a £1000 per year.

So the average wage and spending by the next generation of £5000, would look horrendous. A four fold increase!

As I have said many times before, on the Internet, one can find a graph or statement or 'experts' to fit EVERY SITUATION.
One just has to look for it!

 

[The Wino]

But has that not always been the situation?
The next generation spent more than the last?

When I was a teenager in the 50's, no-one I knew, and that included their Fathers ( women rarely worked full time) earned a £1000 per year.

So the average wage and spending by the next generation of £5000, would look horrendous. A four fold increase!

As I have said many times before, on the Internet, one can find a graph or statement or 'experts' to fit EVERY SITUATION.
One just has to look for it!

The national debt was very high after both world wars but had been steadily increasing for years (and risen rapidly in covid) despite us having the advantage of north sea oil. We have as a nation just put off paying until later and spent " on tick" The national debt is usually quoted as a percentage of GDP so the inflationary figures you quote for wages have already been taken into account.

 

[Puddleduck]

Keynsian economics......

Borrow in bad times, pay back in good times but Governments never pay back enough to cover previous debt. Some do try but the voting public don't like restraint during good times.

 

[Gellyneck]

Not specifically on up-plating but this article was in Birmingham Live a week or so back!

Drivers who hit certain age will be banned from motorhomes and minibuses

Once you renew your licence at 70 years of age you will automatically lose the C1 (Medium sized vehicles between 3500kg and 7500kg) and D1 (Minibuses) categories on your licence.

www.birminghammail.co.uk

Don't shoot the messenger!

 

[poppycamper]

Not specifically on up-plating but this article was in Birmingham Live a week or so back!

Drivers who hit certain age will be banned from motorhomes and minibuses

Once you renew your licence at 70 years of age you will automatically lose the C1 (Medium sized vehicles between 3500kg and 7500kg) and D1 (Minibuses) categories on your licence.

www.birminghammail.co.uk

Don't shoot the messenger!

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[Tigger-Tim]

Not specifically on up-plating but this article was in Birmingham Live a week or so back!

Drivers who hit certain age will be banned from motorhomes and minibuses

Once you renew your licence at 70 years of age you will automatically lose the C1 (Medium sized vehicles between 3500kg and 7500kg) and D1 (Minibuses) categories on your licence.

www.birminghammail.co.uk

Don't shoot the messenger!

What is new there?

 

[Two on Tour]

Not specifically on up-plating but this article was in Birmingham Live a week or so back!

Drivers who hit certain age will be banned from motorhomes and minibuses

Once you renew your licence at 70 years of age you will automatically lose the C1 (Medium sized vehicles between 3500kg and 7500kg) and D1 (Minibuses) categories on your licence.

www.birminghammail.co.uk

Don't shoot the messenger!

Birmingham Live ............. always big shock headlines with sod all in the way of a story, the kings of click bate.

 

[Orion]

Birmingham Live ............. always big shock headlines with sod all in the way of a story, the kings of click bate.

Especially ‘Exact date freeze/heatwave/flood/famine/plague of locusts/etc to hit UK’. Don’t know how they infiltrated my Newsfeed as I never click on anything associated with the rag?

 

[gus-lopez]

Not specifically on up-plating but this article was in Birmingham Live a week or so back!

Drivers who hit certain age will be banned from motorhomes and minibuses

Once you renew your licence at 70 years of age you will automatically lose the C1 (Medium sized vehicles between 3500kg and 7500kg) and D1 (Minibuses) categories on your licence.

www.birminghammail.co.uk

Don't shoot the messenger!

as said ,just click bait. Not even worth the paper that was wasted printing it.

 

[Puddleduck]

And always on Google news......

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[Minxy]

The article linked to above states that you would have to take a retest to keep your C categories from which is, as we all know, wrong! Fortunately there's an updated article today from them which gives the correct info:

Drivers born in these years won't 'legally be able to drive' under DVLA rule

Age UK, a leading charity for older people, warns even if you still feel safe behind the wheel, you’re required to renew your driving licence when you turn 70, and every 3 years after that.

www.birminghammail.co.uk

 

[VXman]

It’s been in place, certainly for vehicles originally registered as N1, since the Act came into force circa 1994. It would appear that it’s only recently that some bright spark at the DVLA has picked up on that section of the Schedule that states that N1 cannot be altered on up plating, so now it’s being applied.

Was it recently? If N1, then as above. If your Moho is M1 then even now perhaps they haven’t got around to imposing it on that class of vehicles judging by a few replies on this thread or, as M1 doesn’t have a defined weight limit anyway maybe it’s not as cut and dried to refuse the change of tax clsss from PLG to PHGV. The DVLA reply to rod_vw, which only mentions N1 vehicles, could add weight (pun intended) to that theory.

My V5 doesn't mention M1 or N1. If that is meant to be under 'Vehicle Category' then that is blank. It is a standard coach built Motorhome originally limited to 3500kg now classed as PHGV, taxed at £165 and weight limit is 4350kg. I had the uprating done in 2022.

 

[VXman]

The article linked to above states that you would have to take a retest to keep your C categories from which is, as we all know, wrong! Fortunately there's an updated article today from them which gives the correct info:

Drivers born in these years won't 'legally be able to drive' under DVLA rule

Age UK, a leading charity for older people, warns even if you still feel safe behind the wheel, you’re required to renew your driving licence when you turn 70, and every 3 years after that.

www.birminghammail.co.uk

But it's not news. That has always been the case.

 

[Carpmart]

The national debt was very high after both world wars but had been steadily increasing for years (and risen rapidly in covid) despite us having the advantage of north sea oil. We have as a nation just put off paying until later and spent " on tick" The national debt is usually quoted as a percentage of GDP so the inflationary figures you quote for wages have already been taken into account.

Couldnt agree more on North Sea Oil. The Sovereign Wealth Fund created by Norway has led to genuine wealth and prosperity across the whole country. What went wrong with the UK!

 

[Minxy]

But it's not news. That has always been the case.

I know that ... I was just pointing out that the first article was wrong ... ... it seems that no-one else picked up on that though.

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[Gellyneck]

I know that ... I was just pointing out that the first article was wrong ... ... it seems that no-one else picked up on that though.

Well done that wummin!

That's the point I was expecting others to pick up on but ...............................

 

[swemmy666]

Couldnt agree more on North Sea Oil. The Sovereign Wealth Fund created by Norway has led to genuine wealth and prosperity across the whole country. What went wrong with the UK!

same amount of oil, less than 10% of the population, you earn 2K a month, might be alright just you your wife & one kid, try surviving on 2K with a wife, 10 kids and 4 parents to support...

 

[Pugsy]

I'm not for one moment suggesting that anyone SORN a vehicle when out of the country and drive on a road, park in an Aire etc.
But I have yet to be convinced that any Law has been broken by SORNing a vehicle on private land abroad. In this case, I'm referring to the thousands of folk who park up, in a camp site in Spain for months.
I appreciate that it could be regarded as 'penny pinching' .That is not in question. What I am saying is that DVLA do not make rules. The Law is paramount and until someone shows me the Statute or Regulation that says it, I will continue to state that no offence has been committed in the circumstances I have described, above.

A Swedish friend I have seen the last few years on a Aire in Spain cancelled his tax for weeks at a time whilst parked up but very beneficial as his road tax is. About £150 per month.
Strange how it all works in different countries.

Cheers Cris

 

[L' Hobo]

A Swedish friend I have seen the last few years on a Aire in Spain cancelled his tax for weeks at a time whilst parked up but very beneficial as his road tax is. About £150 per month.
Strange how it all works in different countries.

Cheers Cris

That's strange, my friends who live just outside Stockholm, were telling me a few months ago, they pay little on their PVC for road tax when I was complaining about mine going up what seems to be, every year while the standard of roads deteriorated!

 

[Minxy]

A Dutch couple were having to pay €800 a year to tax their MH.

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[The Wino]

same amount of oil, less than 10% of the population, you earn 2K a month, might be alright just you your wife & one kid, try surviving on 2K with a wife, 10 kids and 4 parents to support...

The figures I saw were that Norway got roughly three times what the UK did per barrel as they taxed the companies more and had a state company involved that made money as well. No matter what size your family is you're better off on 3 times the income!

 

[CAB96]

That's strange, my friends who live just outside Stockholm, were telling me a few months ago, they pay little on their PVC for road tax when I was complaining about mine going up what seems to be, every year while the standard of roads deteriorated!

Maybe it's like Spain with different vehicle tax dependant on your residential location?

 

[swemmy666]

The figures I saw were that Norway got roughly three times what the UK did per barrel as they taxed the companies more and had a state company involved that made money as well. No matter what size your family is you're better off on 3 times the income!

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I don't doubt that, I heard it been said that thatchular gave away UK oil cheaply to her mates in big oil, who would have suspected that from the party of I'm all right jack I mean family values

 

[Pugsy]

That's strange, my friends who live just outside Stockholm, were telling me a few months ago, they pay little on their PVC for road tax when I was complaining about mine going up what seems to be, every year while the standard of roads deteriorated!

Tomas (the Swedish guy) has a pvc also an adria and was alot each month but in march his van was turning 3 years old and would get cheaper . He could sorn it whilst on the aire and would reinstate it the next day if he had to go out somewhere.it was worth doing it as he was in spain for 6 months and it saved him alot of money .When it was 3 years old if he sorned it, he had to wait at least 5 to put it on the road again said that was the government getting their own back as the road tax was now alot cheaper .
Maybe a bit different in some areas , can't remember what part of Sweden he lives.
Cheers Cris .

 

[Guzziando]

I sent my V5 and change of taxation letter off to the DVLA on 30 September, up-plating to 4000Kg. It is classified as a Motor Caravan, so it will also be approved. How long did it take for the paperwork to be returned from the DVLA?

I have just received my V5c from the DVLA this morning, my Motor Caravan has been updated to 4000kg, and taxation class PHGV. According to the DVLA website, road tax is now £165 for the year. I pay monthly, so assume that the DVLA will amend my DD? I thought this would be useful information for Funsters going through the process, especially with the uncertainty this topic has caused.

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