Beating the 90/180 day Schengen rule

[Langtoftlad]

It all boils down to:

 

[Coolcats]

What I don't understand is that surely they'd like us to spend our money over there on food, drink, fuel, tolls, visiting places, etc. so what logical reason in there to limit our stays and therefore limit the spending? Presumably a brextit for tat thing, I suppose!

Nope not a for tat thing we are not in-the club so we loose the benefits. ‘They’ also have their own economy’s manufacturing etc so are probably not hurting too much as we will still visit and spend our money.

 

[jumar]

Completely agree with your post but just wanting to point out that we do allow EU citizens to stay for 180 days and our team were appently asked if they wanted reciprical and they declined .

Just how many EU citizens or residents want a 180 day visit to the UK...Not even us...
It's only second home owners ( Who I feel sorry for) who are being restricted in their visiting times in Schengen...they cannot just go elsewhere...not unlike motorhomers, who can visit non Schengen countries as well as their 90 days in Schengen....it's just a matter of doing things differently, which some folk cannot cope with....having a motorhome enables the owner to venture off to places new....not just travel directly to Benidorm for the whole winter....which so many grumble about...and don't use the, they need us or they want our money reasons....Spain has just experienced a bumper year with motorhome visitors.....mainly no Brits..

 

[Speve]

Apologies if you have read what is written as negative it is just pragmatic. There is a rule for 90 days and a 180 day visa application. We can all wish for things to be different and some will chance it and keep pushing what they believe they can get away with (and good luck to them if they do) but the only way rules can be changed is by getting governments to work together and put in place a rule framework that gives what people want rather than ‘Beating the system’ which the title says. Again if your reading this and think I am being negative I do apologise, it’s just pragmatism.

I totally agree with you what we need is someone with the right connections to government of the day to champion our cause to see if further negotiations could be instigated including some of the suggestions from folk who are trying to deal with the current regulations legally. For my self I would be happy with 180 days in any year rather than splitting it to two 90 day slots and we probably only use 120 days in total in one to see us through winter in UK

 

[MisterB]

Just how many EU citizens or residents want a 180 day visit to the UK...Not even us...
It's only second home owners ( Who I feel sorry for) who are being restricted in their visiting times in Schengen...they cannot just go elsewhere...not unlike motorhomers, who can visit non Schengen countries as well as their 90 days in Schengen....it's just a matter of doing things differently, which some folk cannot cope with....having a motorhome enables the owner to venture off to places new....not just travel directly to Benidorm for the whole winter....which so many grumble about...and don't use the, they need us or they want our money reasons....Spain has just experienced a bumper year with motorhome visitors.....

we have a 'second home' in France (actually a static caravan) we have had one there for the last 15 years, we are retired so are probably just as affected as anyone, possibly even more as we only have an 'official window' of between April 1st and October 31st.

The reality for us is that it hasnt affected us too much, we accept the position and have gone part way through the process of obtaining a visitors visa, but worked out that we dont really need it, so didnt fully progress it.

i am pretty sure that anyone really wanting to spend close to 12 months in the EU (mainland), it wouldnt be that difficult to do it without any controversy or uncertainty, by a 6 month visitor visa and two 3 month schengen zone visits either side. it would prob need to do a few passport controlled crossings to switch travel from one regime to the other. If you cant find enough varied places to visit in France in a 6 month visit without getting bored, then youre not really trying hard enough !

that wouldnt work for the consecutive year of course, but wouldnt preclude a different plan albeit not for the full 12 months!

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[Motörhead Fun]

You used to have to give a valid reason. In our company, handling large aircraft insurance claims worldwide, it was that we might get a country's stamp in a passport which was not acceptable for entry to another country, so we would need to produce the other passport.

I kept the two going for years after I left that company, just in case I lost one.

You can apply for one if visiting Kosovo and Serbia as having Kosovan stamp can cause issues with Serbia. This is just one example. If you have 2 UK passports can you then use both to suit, i.e leave Schengen for a while and then re-enter on your outher passport. Just a thought.

 

[jongood]

Just how many EU citizens or residents want a 180 day visit to the UK...Not even us...
It's only second home owners ( Who I feel sorry for) who are being restricted in their visiting times in Schengen...they cannot just go elsewhere...not unlike motorhomers, who can visit non Schengen countries as well as their 90 days in Schengen....it's just a matter of doing things differently, which some folk cannot cope with....having a motorhome enables the owner to venture off to places new....not just travel directly to Benidorm for the whole winter....which so many grumble about...and don't use the, they need us or they want our money reasons....Spain has just experienced a bumper year with motorhome visitors.....mainly no Brits..

Tbf this year has been an unusual year. Spain was just about the only option for us this winter. Hopefully it will be different next winter but that might give a truer picture.

 

[Mike Pudney]

So we have just entered France via the tunnel and transited through France and Spain into Portugal how do they know where I am as we have had no further border checks?

If you entered Portugal via a major highway your number plate is on a Portuguese data base. If you entered via the A49 across the bridge and onto the A22 you were photographed as you passed the Algarve Welcome point; the A5 /A6 Badajoz route the cameras at at the Galp service station; A62 / A25 route the cameras are before exit 31. I understand from a Spanish DGT Guardia officer friend of mine the prime function is to monitor traffic into and out of Portugal and support the electronic toll system. It would be the first foot print of many you would be leaving as you toured the country.

 

[gus-lopez]

Indeed but there is equivalence in the other countries. So CoolCats buys a ticket on Eurotunnel this is known by bothe the UK and the EU for travel on X date, the ANPR picks up my number plate and it is logged as leaving the UK and entering the EU on that date both France and the UK know this has happened. As I drive through france and into Belgum my exit will be picked up by ANPR by both the French and Belgium systems all this data is logged time and date I don't need to keep typing as you will be getting the point your details will be logged. Time date location any overstay or journeying outside of an area is logged and can be used against you.


For those who want to appear to not have overstayed these would help

Yes a brilliant invention.Unfortunately most of the ebay sellers are delivered from russia .

You could always buy them a burgundy passport holder for their birthday

yes I've already got mine for my renewal.who wants blue or black.Try livinghere with very little natural light & you realise why most of my stuff that has dark colours has red, pink, yellow stickers all over them so that they can be found.Not because I'm batting for the other side as the wife says

Anyone got 2 UK Passports? Perfectly legal to apply

Yes & each is linked to the other. It is a question on passport application. "· Do you have any other passports" It also means passports from other countries. If you give details all are linked to the use of any one.

Well we are praying our passports are returned from the French consul, hopefully with a 180 day visa, as we are booked on the tunnel on Saturday x

I wouldn't give mine to anyone. You were meant to carry them here for years before we had the id cards back ,but very few ever did. If fined it was far cheaper then the aggro of obtaining a new passport.+the Guardia accepted that a spanish drivers licence was sufficient id to comply legally

ust how many EU citizens or residents want a 180 day visit to the UK...Not even us...

You can apply for one if visiting Kosovo and Serbia as having Kosovan stamp can cause issues with Serbia. This is just one example. If you have 2 UK passports can you then use both to suit, i.e leave Schengen for a while and then re-enter on your outher passport. Just a thought.

As above each is linked to the other .
I know of a woman here with 3 , Irish;uk;polish . She travels using all 3 but none are linked to any of the others.

 

[Captain Lloyd]

I assume this was written with tongue firmly in cheek. If not you’ve been watching too many spy movies!

I was thinking just that been watching too much Jason Bourne!

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[Carpmart]

Anyone got 2 UK Passports? Perfectly legal to apply

I ran two passport for many years. Only used the same one for all Israel visits (for obvious reasons) and often I was travelling whilst needing to submit a passport for a visa. I also always got the double thickness ones, but they never saw 10 years as ran out of space. I really don’t miss work!!!!!

 

[Minxy]

Let's all chill, some people want to push the envelope, some people don't think there is an envelope and some people don't care if anyone does or doesn't push the envelope that may or may not exist.

I'm happy with what I think the envelope looks like, I am happy I can use the envelope that I think exists and with what I believe I can fit into the envelope.

If others want to push their own envelope, that's very much an issue for them and not really of any concern of anyone elses.

But for those who are unsure of what the envelope looks like and just what will or won't fit in, it might be best if they contact the relevant authorities for their own clarification and not listen to those of us on here, some of whom may be right or wrong.

I added my comments to try to clarify what I believe you can legally fit into the envelope, not to stop those who disagree from enjoying their holidays and pushing their own envelopes as they see fit.

Trouble is that some want to have their full envelope and lick it too!

 

[wp1234]

Until something goes wrong...

Like what

 

[Coolcats]

I was thinking just that been watching too much Jason Bourne!

Then you may not understand that we live in a surveillance society fact is often stranger than fiction.

 

[EuroTrotters]

Just how many EU citizens or residents want a 180 day visit to the UK...Not even us...
It's only second home owners ( Who I feel sorry for) who are being restricted in their visiting times in Schengen...they cannot just go elsewhere...not unlike motorhomers, who can visit non Schengen countries as well as their 90 days in Schengen....it's just a matter of doing things differently, which some folk cannot cope with....having a motorhome enables the owner to venture off to places new....not just travel directly to Benidorm for the whole winter....which so many grumble about...and don't use the, they need us or they want our money reasons....Spain has just experienced a bumper year with motorhome visitors.....mainly no Brits..

That’s us !. The policeman who examined my much stamped passport asked if we had a property in Spain. I said yes, we did. Then asked had or was I going to apply for residency?. When I said , not yet. He just said be careful with your Schengen days.

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[nobby]

On the health point, you’re covered on your EU health card up to its expiry date, irrespective of visa status. Once that expires you need travel health insurance as you do for anywhere else in the world.

What about the new ghic does that not cover you

 

[Minxy]

What about the new ghic does that not cover you

The GHIC is the new version of the EHIC but you still need travel insurance regardless of which you have as it won't cover repatriation etc.

 

[62272]

The GHIC is the new version of the EHIC but you still need travel insurance regardless of which you have as it won't cover repatriation etc.

Although it is completely sensible to have travel insurance…. The French rules changed for a visa up to 6 months for UK citizens to allow the GHIC or EHIC to be an acceptable form of health cover (with no extra requirement for travel insurance). Incidentally the travel insurance cover required for longer visa trips, exceeds your average off the shelf travel insurances and are quite expensive. Check the rules first though as they seem to change regularly.

 

[Clipgate]

Interesting discourse the enclosed my be of interest.
Yes it is functioning :

Schengen Information System

The Schengen Information System (SIS) is the most widely used and largest information sharing system for security and border management in Europe.

ec.europa.eu

 

[Minxy]

Although it is completely sensible to have travel insurance…. The French rules changed for a visa up to 6 months for UK citizens to allow the GHIC or EHIC to be an acceptable form of health cover (with no extra requirement for travel insurance). Incidentally the travel insurance cover required for longer visa trips, exceeds your average off the shelf travel insurances and are quite expensive. Check the rules first though as they seem to change regularly.

I was speaking generally about the need as many people seem to be ignorant and/or blasé about what would happen if they needed repatriation, no doubt in some cases they'd just start a 'Go fund me' begging request and expect others to pay for them.

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[MarionK]

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[jumar]

Interesting thought, I have dual nationality, both non Schengen, and so have two passports. I don't think alternating 90 days on each would be legal tho?

Worth a go....pending result.....

 

[MarionK]

jumar Just checked, other passport needs visa.

 

[jumar]

jumar Just checked, other passport needs visa.

Dash...there you go...

 

[Dwarfland]

jumar Just checked, other passport needs visa.

Why would you need two though? As per the initial thread, just get a 6 month French Visa. (You can get the equivalent for Spain but it costs €600 v €99 for the French one). As long as you only cross open Schengen borders and enter and exit through France, No one knows where in Schengen you have been during the 6 months. (Although it is a multi entry visa so you are allowed into other Schengen countries although ‘officially’ that decrements your 90 day allowance though in reality no one knows)

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[bobandjanie]

As long as you only cross open Schengen borders Dwarfland do you really think you can stay under the radar, they don't need anyone sat at the borders it's all done electronic with cameras, they have all the information they need in a second, try and self scan at the airport without looking directly at the camera.
We rent our apartment out for holiday rental guests, like hotels/ campsites and anywhere else you stay we have to register all guests over 16 on the Gardia Civil computer, your never under the radar we have been parked on Denia beach carpark and had our passport checked.
There is no such thing as Open borders, many criminals are captured be it road or sea, and many that lived in Spain and never applied for residency for one reason or another were deported.
It's compulsory to carry identification and all vehicle documents, and it's up to you to prove where you have been and when.
I find the police in Europe very different from UK, nothing is too much paperwork or trouble. Bob.

 

[jumartoo]

Why would you need two though? As per the initial thread, just get a 6 month French Visa. (You can get the equivalent for Spain but it costs €600 v €99 for the French one). As long as you only cross open Schengen borders and enter and exit through France, No one knows where in Schengen you have been during the 6 months. (Although it is a multi entry visa so you are allowed into other Schengen countries although ‘officially’ that decrements your 90 day allowance though in reality no one knows)

Wrong about the Spanish visa. It still only lasts for 90 days to give you time to get your TIE residencia.

 

[jumar]

Why would you need two though? As per the initial thread, just get a 6 month French Visa. (You can get the equivalent for Spain but it costs €600 v €99 for the French one). As long as you only cross open Schengen borders and enter and exit through France, No one knows where in Schengen you have been during the 6 months. (Although it is a multi entry visa so you are allowed into other Schengen countries although ‘officially’ that decrements your 90 day allowance though in reality no one knows)

Can I be the first to ask where you can get a 600€ Spanish tourist visa...have you got one, do you know anyone that has got one?
There will be loads of second home owners in Spain who would like to join you...Please tell all....this is an open forum....

 

[Bart]

All this Schengen stuff seems very complicated.....
We live in n.ireland which is part of the UK , as well as a UK passport we are also lucky enough to have Irish passports , with the rest of Ireland still being part of the EU , If we travel to France using our Irish passports how long can I stay ,, same goes for Spain, anyone any ideas how long

 

[Dwarfland]

Wrong about the Spanish visa. It still only lasts for 90 days to give you time to get your TIE residencia.

I meant a Non lucrative 6 month visa https://visaguide.world/europe/spain-visa/residence/

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