Anyone got confirmed news Re Fiat Ducato build delays

[royandsharont]

Hi, I am awaiting a new Adria PVC which should have been here last October but keeps on getting put back on a monthly basis. Now end of June and I don’t believe it will come then if I’m honest. In fact I wouldn’t be surprised if it finally arrived in 2023!

Trying to get any information of the true delay situation from the manufacturers, let alone information that you can trust to be correct and up to date, I am finding impossible. Nothing on the news for Europe but some in America Re shifts being closed at factories there from 2 to 1 a day, but that is about Stellantis car plants I believe.

The delays all appear to revolve around Stellantis production in Italy at their Sevel plant but still none the wiser as to specifically why. Saying the Pandemic repeatedly does not do it for me now.

I would just like to get some honest understanding of why the monthly delays continue and I think all Fiat based manufacturers are pretty much the same.

I wanted to start this Thread for comments from anyone who has got confirmed news or information, rather than rumours and speculation, although if my experiences are the same as others no one will be able to confidently add an update, but here goes

Regards in advance if anyone can add anything

 

[SpeedyDux]

The Industry is crazy, we ordered Feb 21 for Feb 22 delivery and still waiting..... and around the UK there are loads of brand new 2022 and 2023 Fiat based vehicles for sale.
Why would they build unsold stock items when real customers are waiting for their orders???

If every MH converter switched to a more flexible system of allocating a number of production slots to each dealer, and building MHs only to order to suit actual customer requirements, things would look very different without unsold generic new stock hanging around dealerships, while so many bespoke orders are subject to very lengthy delivery delays.

My impression is that the big UK converters seem to build what they think the market wants. I think this is a legacy of building MHs speculatively during the off season just to keep the UK factories going. Based on marketing guesswork about what will be the layouts in demand next year.

Another contributing factor is ordering so many base vehicles a long way ahead, to get volume discounts from Stellantis. And choosing the cheapest specification, without pricier optional FIAT stuff. Hence so many generic and poorly specified un-luxurious cabs, considering how much the finished product costs the customer that it is now a luxury market. By now the FIAT/Citroen/Peugeot cabs should all have the features you expect in a family hatchback never mind a premium car, but they don't. I believe you can still find new MHs that don't have cab aircon and cruise control as standard.

Just my 2d worth.

 

[Basildog]

If every MH converter switched to a more flexible system of allocating a number of production slots to each dealer, and building MHs only to order to suit actual customer requirements, things would look very different without unsold generic new stock hanging around dealerships, while so many bespoke orders are subject to very lengthy delivery delays.

My impression is that the big UK converters seem to build what they think the market wants. I think this is a legacy of building MHs speculatively during the off season just to keep the UK factories going. Based on marketing guesswork about what will be the layouts in demand next year.

Another contributing factor is ordering so many base vehicles a long way ahead, to get volume discounts from Stellantis. And choosing the cheapest specification, without pricier optional FIAT stuff. Hence so many generic and poorly specified un-luxurious cabs, considering how much the finished product costs the customer that it is now a luxury market. By now the FIAT/Citroen/Peugeot cabs should all have the features you expect in a family hatchback never mind a premium car, but they don't. I believe you can still find new MHs that don't have cab aircon and cruise control as standard.

Just my 2d worth.

My 2022 Fiat doesn’t have a radio or even adjustable mirrors
Fiat and Luxury really don’t belong on the same page.
Problem is that a fully loaded high end base van today would be £60 k or more that’s before you even thought about converting it
The MAN van I specified pretty much everything that was available, probably added £20k or more to list price .
Interestingly I washed the Citreon Relay and the MAN TGE side by side yesterday, you can seriously tell the difference, the panels on the Citreon are like paper in comparison, everything about the Citreon is flimsier and much thinner, cheaper plastics.

 

[Antalex]

Our McLouis Menfys has finally arrived with dealership in Perugia after a 16 month wait. Will be collecting in May after extras have been fitted and when we also have the time to travel locally in Umbria in order to be able to return quickly to dealer if any faults should materialise. This is our first camper so will have to revise like crazy,over all the accumulated information I have gathered from this wonderful forum.

 

[Ridgeway]

Our Carthago should be at the dealership this coming Wednesday having been ordered in September 2021!

Almost an identical delivery time to ours that arrived last week. Enjoy !

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[MontyB]

Ordered a new Adria in Aug 2022 told delivery March - April 2023 which got put back until the end of June just had a call to say it may be the end of July.
Surely someone can organise where all the parts are coming from for a new build and get the dealers to give us a more accurate delivery date instead of guess work.

 

[faz55]

We ordered our Elddis encore 250 in Feb 2022 and after many delays our last contact said it would start build on 28/3/2023! Got tbh and say I’m not holding my breath

 

[urban_biker]

Today, if my last update is still current, a group of Frenchmen will be gathering in a factory just North of Angers to build my new motorhome. Hope they are feeling relaxed and well rested.

 

[Ridgeway]

Today, if my last update is still current, a group of Frenchmen will be gathering in a factory just North of Angers to build my new motorhome. Hope they are feeling relaxed and well rested.

Today a group of Frenchmen are gathering to discuss their retirement postponement and dissatisfaction with life in general, cost of fuel and of course lack on sunshine in the area of Angers. Once they have chewed the fat for several days, then opened another bottle of pastis they will likely put on their gilet jaune and sit outside around a fire in an old oil drum

Adding this second French element into the equation on top of Fiat gate, me thinks you gonna get some delays….. but good luck !!!

 

[urban_biker]

Today a group of Frenchmen are gathering to discuss their retirement postponement and dissatisfaction with life in general, cost of fuel and of course lack on sunshine in the area of Angers. Once they have chewed the fat for several days, then opened another bottle of pastis they will likely put on their gilet jaune and sit outside around a fire in an old oil drum

Adding this second French element into the equation on top of Fiat gate, me thinks you gonna get some delays….. but good luck !!!

I'm hoping my frenchmen are hardworking, conscientious sorts who love nothing more than to work hard and produce fantastic quality products for the UK market. But I suspect you are closer to the truth.

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[PDrill]

I wish someone somewhere might at least consider to start mining the ore for my van in the near future.

 

[GMLS]

I wish someone somewhere might at least consider to start mining the ore for my van in the near future.

By the time I get mine it might be all electric!

 

[foxy1884]

Hi, I am awaiting a new Adria PVC which should have been here last October but keeps on getting put back on a monthly basis. Now end of June and I don’t believe it will come then if I’m honest. In fact I wouldn’t be surprised if it finally arrived in 2023!

Trying to get any information of the true delay situation from the manufacturers, let alone information that you can trust to be correct and up to date, I am finding impossible. Nothing on the news for Europe but some in America Re shifts being closed at factories there from 2 to 1 a day, but that is about Stellantis car plants I believe.

The delays all appear to revolve around Stellantis production in Italy at their Sevel plant but still none the wiser as to specifically why. Saying the Pandemic repeatedly does not do it for me now.

I would just like to get some honest understanding of why the monthly delays continue and I think all Fiat based manufacturers are pretty much the same.

I wanted to start this Thread for comments from anyone who has got confirmed news or information, rather than rumours and speculation, although if my experiences are the same as others no one will be able to confidently add an update, but here goes

Regards in advance if anyone can add anything

I ordered mine in July 2021 and still waiting !!

 

[NASHMAN600]

Our Carthago should be at the dealership this coming Wednesday having been ordered in September 2021!

Wow, I ordered beginning sept 20 and was supposed to be march 21,arrived June 21..
You have had a long Wait...
Carthago prices have sky rocketed since I ordered mine.
Hope you Enjoy the new van..

 

[urban_biker]

I'm hoping my frenchmen are hardworking, conscientious sorts who love nothing more than to work hard and produce fantastic quality products for the UK market. But I suspect you are closer to the truth.

Now I have a chassis number. Ho! Ho! Ho!

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[WillysMB]

Interesting....not the first time this has been muted on this an another forum.

 

[dash300]

Hi Folks,

New here. We ordered and new Autotrail Expedition 67 with rising roof an other extras in October 2021. The Dealer (can we name them?) took a deposit and gave a price promise. No sign of a chassis number, or any information at all - 'we have no news' is all we get.

After a recent visit and pushing them we found out they have a new Expedition in April from an April 2021 order. We have seen new Expeditions in the shop being prepared for delivery. They are quite unhelpful generally and have never updated us - we go in every 3 month or so. Similar new vehicles keep appearing in the shop being prepared for delivery. We tried to contact Autotrail before Christmas but they just referred the e-mail back to the dealer who said 'we have no news'.

I have seen new ones in other dealers but the base retail price has gone up 10k since 2021. We have asked any number of dealers about buying one from them and got some stories.

1. Dealers are currently quoting 12 month delivery.
2. Ones in the dealers are cancelled orders or pre-order displays which MIGHT be sold at the end of the season.
3. Dealers don't cancel your order - even if you get your money back they keep the order for delivery and I presume sell at the current price if delivered.
4. Cancelled orders are being sold at todays list price so if they are 2021 orders someone is making £10k so dealers happy for you to cancel an order. The one I rang up at a dealer today wanted 12k more than I have agreed to pay for the same model - a cancelled order due in next week so they are still producing.

I have a little time to Christmas before I retire but the old T4 is overdue for replacement and I just feel trapped by the price promise. Have I ordered at the wrong dealer?

Any thoughts, information or advice much appreciated.


TBB

Name the dealer. You are being bypassed for more lucrative new buyers. I placed an order in Aug 21 and had a price protected delivery. Albeit due to Covid etc. delays 15 months later in Dec 22 Highbridge fully honoured the contract and delivered my order. You are being taken for a ride it would appear.

 

[urban_biker]

Now I have a chassis number. Ho! Ho! Ho!

Just had a call. Apparently the van just rolled off the low loader at the dealers.

Pilote G740 Expression (RHD 4.4 tonne heavy chassis 180bhp with 9 speed auto). Can't sit still right now, although unfortunately another 4 to 6 weeks before we can collect.

 

[GMLS]

Just had a call. Apparently the van just rolled off the low loader at the dealers.

Pilote G740 Expression (RHD 4.4 tonne heavy chassis 180bhp with 9 speed auto). Can't sit still right now, although unfortunately another 4 to 6 weeks before we can collect.

2 weeks from chassis number to delivery, wow. Those will be the longest 6 weeks of all lol.

 

[mrE]

Just had a call. Apparently the van just rolled off the low loader at the dealers.

Pilote G740 Expression (RHD 4.4 tonne heavy chassis 180bhp with 9 speed auto). Can't sit still right now, although unfortunately another 4 to 6 weeks before we can collect.

Hi, what’s the reason they are taking that long before you can collect?

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[treblid]

Hi, what’s the reason they are taking that long before you can collect?

DVLA is the most likely answer.

 

[HitandMiss]

About right unfortunately, our Burstner took 3 weeks from delivery, DVLA, PDI required but happy to wait
Sad to see our Pilote go , great Motorhome enjoy

 

[dash300]

DVLA is the most likely answer.

I don't get that. My dealer Highbridge back in December registered mine on the DVLA website whilst I sat in the office and gave me a confirmation of Registration and Road Tax just before I drove the vehicle off the premises.
The DVLA V5 dropped through the letterbox about 2 weeks later.

 

[treblid]

It depends on which manufacturer of MoHo and which DVLA system the dealer has.

 

[urban_biker]

Hi, what’s the reason they are taking that long before you can collect?

Registration and pdi, plus fitting some extras. Hoping they can get it done sooner but not really got much choice at this point but to wait it out. At least I know it definitely exists at this point as I've seen pics. Going to see it in person tomorrow.

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[urban_biker]

Registration and pdi, plus fitting some extras. Hoping they can get it done sooner but not really got much choice at this point but to wait it out. At least I know it definitely exists at this point as I've seen pics. Going to see it in person tomorrow.

Gov UK site says.

How long it takes
It can take up to 6 weeks for your registration certificate (V5C) to arrive.

You need the V5C to get number plates made up.

So it makes sense for them to say 4 to 6 weeks. Perhaps some come through faster than that.

 

[Roby2008]

I like the German system, you take all the papers from the vehicle to the local vehicle registration office, the very nice lady/boy register and prints out your registration document, (you can choose your own reg no within the parameters) you pop down to the plate office and have new plates made and the return to have the sticker (tüv ) applied, then off you go, usually a couple of hours of your time and it is all done.............

 

[Barchetta47]

I realise I’m helping no one with this comment but in our drive from Bayonne to Rouen over the last couple of days we passed probably 8-10 dealers. I would say most had many 10s of new motor homes and everyone had 10-20 PVCs. I mention this as in previous visits sighting PVCs at franchises had been unusual.

 

[Roby2008]

I realise I’m helping no one with this comment but in our drive from Bayonne to Rouen over the last couple of days we passed probably 8-10 dealers. I would say most had many 10s of new motor homes and everyone had 10-20 PVCs. I mention this as in previous visits sighting PVCs at franchises had been unusual.

The same in Germany, the dealers have drive away stock now of MH and PVCs, there is a feeling that the market is slowing down.

As an aside, Mobil.de had as of a few days ago, over 8500 MH/PVCs for sale countrywide and over 2500 of those are under 2 years old, that´s a lot of choice.

 

[Soycd]

Our Adria Twin 640 SLB delivery date has now ben shunted to first week in October from mid September from June/July. I found the article below on a Google search, but not sure if its good or bad news. It looks like they may be trying to increase production......or not.

Slovenia's Adria Mobil starts production at Bic factory - report

Slovenian manufacturer of camper vans and caravans Adria Mobil started production of caravans at leased premises in Bic, eastern Slovenia, local media reported.Adria Mobil relocated from its factory

seenews.com

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[Soycd]

I like the German system, you take all the papers from the vehicle to the local vehicle registration office, the very nice lady/boy register and prints out your registration document, (you can choose your own reg no within the parameters) you pop down to the plate office and have new plates made and the return to have the sticker (tüv ) applied, then off you go, usually a couple of hours of your time and it is all done.............

Yep, nice and simple. Every town has a Kraftfahrzeug Zulassungsstelle where you can register for about €30. It used to be pretty simple in UK when VROs actually had offices you could visit, could be done in 30 minutes. But of course they decided to close them all to save money. Such a backward step but not surprise.