Adblue removal

[yellowcarnoreturn]

Does anyone have a contact that removes Adblue through software update? TIA

 

[Silver-Fox]

edit: that said, I've never been pulled and seen very few vosa vehicles/inspections in all my years, and I guess they target the obvious overloaded / white transits type. But thats not to say they won't.

Same as that.

Only ever seen them out and about once in the past 20 odd years.

I struggle to see how they would be allowed to plug into a car.
Not saying they can’t though.

 

[pagey]

At this point in time i have had no confirmation from any major "tinkerer" of ecus (and some minor ones) in the UK . I know of 2 people very actively trying to do this. These have had serious problems. One has come to conclusion that a clean LPEGR will be required every 2 years as a precaution. I know of 4 europeans having done this or something simular (one with a method that would not pass an MOT). The overfueling problem can lead to a blocked LPEGR cooler.
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The soot has been scrapped away to show the gauze of the "tea strainer".
The exhaust of a good engine should be soot free, nice and clean, no deposits on a kitchen roll wiped inside.

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The Adblue Peugeot Citroen engine seems to have a greater number of problems reported on www. than the twin egr ducato. This may change in next few years with pooly kept/used machines coming to light. With a bit of luck Fiat resolved the overfuelling issues with later software versions. With knowledge and monitoring (physical) and using Multiecuscan my engine will be purring into the next decade.
If anyone has any questions contact me and i will be happy to analyse any MES data or advise what to monitor.
Proper data collection is required just using a generic code reader can tell you jack or even point you in the wrong direction.

I spoke to the techs in fiat professional at hemel and asked them to load v50 to my 2017 they flatly refused saying if you van is running OK then leave things alone

 

[Googlebot]

I can only imagine the litigation claims after some VOSA pudding has fried a few grands worth of ecu, especially when you take into consideration most VOSA officers previous employment qualifications

I don’t disagree, I think you will find though that it will be a specialist who they employ to do that sort of stuff.

At least I hope it would be, wouldn’t it?

 

[the1andonly]

Not same engine, "similar" - the new engine shares many parts, but is now Euro 6D and does NOT have the LP EGR that was required to hit Euro 6.

I suspect the 6D engine is more related to the Euro 5 with ADblue added rather than 6 twin egr with LPGER removed.
the E5 has low DPF, the E6 twin has DPF tucked up behind the engine. E5 differential dpf sensor low down by DPF, the E6 is high at front of firewall under bonnet

I spoke to the techs in fiat professional at hemel and asked them to load v50 to my 2017 they flatly refused saying if you van is running OK then leave things alone

V32 is the last that (i know of, waiting to be confirmed) was intended for the twin egr . Greater than that would be for later inccarnations

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[pagey]

I suspect the 6D engine is more related to the Euro 5 with ADblue added rather than 6 twin egr with LPGER removed.
the E5 has low DPF, the E6 twin has DPF tucked up behind the engine. E5 differential dpf sensor low down by DPF, the E6 is high at front of firewall under bonnet

V32 is the last that (i know of, waiting to be confirmed) was intended for the twin egr . Greater than that would be for later inccarnations

I ment v32

 

[poppycamper]

When we bought our 2015 van for conversion (right on the euro5 euro6 divide) I asked the salesman if it was Euro6 with Add Blue?
His reply... No you are really lucky it does not have adblue... Why I ask...
Because Adblue is going to cause nothing but issues and problems in the future.... You are much better without it.
Normally take with a pinch of salt what a salesman says when he trying to sell me something... however appears he was right on the button with Adblue.

 

[dunnah01]

Should there be an emission relaxation system for low mileage vehicles such as motorhomes to ensure that they are not scrapped prematurely this causing unnecessary pollution in recycling and new vehicle production?

 

[the1andonly]

I ment v32

Thanks, good to know what version are you on?

 

[pagey]

Thanks, good to know what version are you on?

I think there are crossed wires here mine is still on the original map I wanted the latest map v32 but they would not load it telling me if its running OK leave it alone

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[gus-lopez]

I can only imagine the litigation claims after some VOSA pudding has fried a few grands worth of ecu, especially when you take into consideration most VOSA officers previous employment qualifications

unless of course you have the 'anti-theft' obd fitted that fries anything plugged in whilst the original is hidden away with a lock on?

 

[Silver-Fox]

Should there be an emission relaxation system for low mileage vehicles such as motorhomes to ensure that they are not scrapped prematurely this causing unnecessary pollution in recycling and new vehicle production?

Why would you scrap a Moho prematurely.

If it’s old enough it will be in the classic category.

No RFL or MoT.

What’s not to like

 

[Silver-Fox]

unless of course you have the 'anti-theft' obd fitted that fries anything plugged in whilst the original is hidden away with a lock on?

That would be a shame

 

[poppycamper]

Should there be an emission relaxation system for low mileage vehicles such as motorhomes to ensure that they are not scrapped prematurely this causing unnecessary pollution in recycling and new vehicle production?

And i have said the same in the past for sites e.g. Baltic Wharf, Crystal Palace, Abbey Wood? and many others and more to come, where we have to pay, not unconsiderable ammounts for the privilege of being there, where we bring our motorhomes/caravans into an emissions zone... but once there do not move for the duration of our visit and DO spend considerable amounts of our Pounds Stirling in the local community.
I am sorry but not me... I will now be going to small towns, villages, and even hamlets where they do appreciate my custom and do not charge me to be there..
You cannot brand commuters who drive into/out of work to "EARN MONEY" on a daily basis ( they will have alternative choices ) in the same vein as a tourist who wants to drive into your area (Maybe once in a lifetime treat) stay for a few days and "SPEND MONEY" and then drive back out again.!!
yes I appreciate the air needs cleansing....BUT it needs to be done fairly.
This is why I would much rather have a weekend away in Arisaig than London.

 

[DuxDeluxe]

I never saw my warning light, I always added 10 litres when the gauge dropped sufficiently below half.

Exactly what I do

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[the1andonly]

I think there are crossed wires here mine is still on the original map I wanted the latest map v32 but they would not load it telling me if its running OK leave it alone

The original was v13 but soon increased. mine is a november 16 cab registered in 2018 and updated to v28 in 2019 possibly july 18 as well, it has been written to twice. If yours has been to a fiat pro before it may allready have an intermedeate version which may be totally acceptable. To find out version you have you can interogate OBD2 with multiecuscan or Alfaobd. If you have an android smart phone download the demo version for free it can do the job. There has been quite a difference in attitude of fiat professional delears to updating.

 

[Steve and Denise]

unless of course you have the 'anti-theft' obd fitted that fries anything plugged in whilst the original is hidden away with a lock on?

Oh dear that would be a shame

 

[Steve and Denise]

And i have said the same in the past for sites e.g. Baltic Wharf, Crystal Palace, Abbey Wood? and many others and more to come, where we have to pay, not unconsiderable ammounts for the privilege of being there, where we bring our motorhomes/caravans into an emissions zone... but once there do not move for the duration of our visit and DO spend considerable amounts of our Pounds Stirling in the local community.
I am sorry but not me... I will now be going to small towns, villages, and even hamlets where they do appreciate my custom and do not charge me to be there..
You cannot brand commuters who drive into/out of work to "EARN MONEY" on a daily basis ( they will have alternative choices ) in the same vein as a tourist who wants to drive into your area (Maybe once in a lifetime treat) stay for a few days and "SPEND MONEY" and then drive back out again.!!
yes I appreciate the air needs cleansing....BUT it needs to be done fairly.
This is why I would much rather have a weekend away in Arisaig than London.

It’s just another taxation to fund our London Mayors stupidity, how can paying a fee make it better for the environment? OH it can’t it just gives the Government more money to waste on stupid schemes, just my humble opinion

 

[Landy Andy]

I’ve been pulled and inspected by vosa. They had no interest in the fact I’ve no egr, and no catalytic converter, or the fact I have wrong/extra reverse lights.

But soon the MOT will include plugging into the obd port, and that is more likely to include a check on system modifications then.

 

[Pausim]

how can paying a fee make it better for the environment?

A fee makes people think twice about driving non compliant vehicles into London, Bath, Bradford etc.

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[activecampers]

I ment v32

Updating ECU software is part of a full fiat pro service. Indeed, I was asking and requesting for a later version (MY20 came with v30, I wanted latest as I had some drivability issued). Garage insisted ECU updates were part of it and not to worry.

And indeed, they upgraded to v32 (no extra charge above the quoted service) - and all the driveability glitches went (eg low torque below 1800rpm before, and now pulls in 6ths from 1200rpm. Prior, 6th was unusable unless dead flat. Now, its a dream!). Also MPG went up 10%. Sadly, it clocked 10,000km and had its first service at the same time, so can't 100% say it was the v32 upgrade, or passing a 10k running in period, or the first service! Regardless, it went from "hmmm - not overly happy" to "brilliant"

 

[activecampers]

I’ve been pulled and inspected by vosa. They had no interest in the fact I’ve no egr, and no catalytic converter, or the fact I have wrong/extra reverse lights.

But soon the MOT will include plugging into the obd port, and that is more likely to include a check on system modifications then.

Source? Not seen anyone formally mention ECU interrogation by MOT!

 

[activecampers]

A fee makes people think twice about driving non compliant vehicles into London, Bath, Bradford etc.

Yeah, the great "bypass bath" - well done bath - reduced traffic and emissions "in the zone" but as all vehicles go around, the other roads are now busy and the net increase in emissions due to extra mileage by people is really great for the general area.
But its ok, the hippies in bath are fine! F*k the neighbours

 

[Steve and Denise]

A fee makes people think twice about driving non compliant vehicles into London, Bath, Bradford etc.

But they will only be driven somewhere else, so really it’s not working it’s just generating more income for the Government

 

[Landy Andy]

Source? Not seen anyone formally mention ECU interrogation by MOT!

My best mate who is an MOT tester. He already has kit that he can/it wants to be plugged in when he does emissions test. BUT I didn’t say “interrogation“, they are just used for information currently

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[pagey]

The original was v13 but soon increased. mine is a november 16 cab registered in 2018 and updated to v28 in 2019 possibly july 18 as well, it has been written to twice. If yours has been to a fiat pro before it may allready have an intermedeate version which may be totally acceptable. To find out version you have you can interogate OBD2 with multiecuscan or Alfaobd. If you have an android smart phone download the demo version for free it can do the job. There has been quite a difference in attitude of fiat professional delears to updating.

It has only been in to fiat pro for recalls for brake pipe clips and the dpr thing that effected some 2017 vans

 

[ianrm]

An MOT can only check emissions. They don’t have the ability to check the Software on an ECU.

 

[Thornebt]

My best mate who is an MOT tester. He already has kit that he can/it wants to be plugged in when he does emissions test. BUT I didn’t say “interrogation“, they are just used for information currently

In post 130 gus-lopez mentions an anti-theft OBD that fries anything plugged into it. That's not going to go down well with the MOT testers. OK you can point him in the direction of the real OBD when you book it in but there is the possibility that either the customer forgets to tell them or MOT tester forgets when he does the test.

 

[bobandjanie]

I'm glad our 2017 doesn't have it, but it's not good to tamper with it, I did the same on a truck when it became compulsory to fit speed limiters, not only did I get fined and points for speeding, they didn't approve on me tampering with the limiter, probably not the best decision I made. £££ Bob.

 

[BikerGraham]

Yeah, the great "bypass bath" - well done bath - reduced traffic and emissions "in the zone" but as all vehicles go around, the other roads are now busy and the net increase in emissions due to extra mileage by people is really great for the general area.
But its ok, the hippies in bath are fine! F*k the neighbours

The reality is that this is true for probably all clean air zones. The road changes (narrowing) to install cycle lanes and other similar measures.
Increases traffic congestion somewhere else and increases distances travelled. All one big con

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[Al n Val]

The reality is that this is true for probably all clean air zones. The road changes (narrowing) to install cycle lanes and other similar measures.

This is like the speed restriction from 70 down to 60 mph on the M1 as your going past Meadowhall Sheffield, something to do with it being a “clean air zone”

So they’re making you pollute the zone for longer by keeping you in it for longer.

Who the bl€€ding hell pays these people to think it up, they should all be sacked