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yellowcarnoreturn said:
Because I can just like the Adblue suppliers that use copious amounts of plastic containers.
I don’t need sarky comments.
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Why not fill at a pump and avoid plastic use? If you are only getting 400 miles to a tank there would appear to be a problem with the system. Why not get that fixed first?
 
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Lenny HB said:
Why don't you just fill up at the pump no need to buy it in plastic bottles.
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That’s what I do Lenny but not all filling stations have Adblue pumps, especially in France and Spain

I’m now having to carry 2 x 10ltr containers of it and tbh it’s a pita 😡

Also i’m wondering if mine might have a problem, brand new and i’d done 1250 miles ish before the warning light came on. This trip from leaving home to cross France it came on after 480 miles 😱

daveclare were witness to that as well
 
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Al n Val said:
My last motorhome had Euro 6 engine and no adblue so no polution issues or it wouldn’t have been manufactured. MOT passed no issues whatsoever.

New motorhome, same engine and adblue, so removing it cannot increase the pollution as there’s none to start with surely
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That is not so they use different systems to control pollution, the Euro 6 pre Adblue has two EGR valves.
Speve said:
Don’t see anything in that that gives the impression it’s a lot of vehicles when you look at how many Ducatos are sold in the world it’s probably a small proportion of them🤔
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Motorhomes tend to have more problems than vans because people don't use them properly and leave them sitting around for months on end, it's nearly always the low mileage ones that have problems.

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Al n Val said:
My last motorhome had Euro 6 engine and no adblue so no polution issues or it wouldn’t have been manufactured. MOT passed no issues whatsoever.

New motorhome, same engine and adblue, so removing it cannot increase the pollution as there’s none to start with surely
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You may not have the dreaded second EGR valve, as AB system fitted instead.
Beaten to it by LHB.
I have the Euro 6 pre A.B. so always give the engine a decent spell on high load mode to keep the EGRs clear. Reading of the issues of not doing so seems a PIA.
Mike.
 
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Jo662 said:
One of the problems with adblue is if you let the adblue tank run low the sides of the tank chrystalise(spelling). Then the particles get in the adblue, and over time go through the system and cause problems.
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Quick question is this myth or fact, if you top up I would sugest the Crystals are re-absorbed In to the solution and the same if any fall into the solution. Any evidence to the contrary would be welcomed
Edited to say it could be the same myth that floats around saying it’s sheep piss
 
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Coolcats said:
Edited to say it could be the same myth that floats around saying it’s sheep piss
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Don't be silly it's pigs piss. :rofl:

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Ditcha said:
That's what deleting the adblue in the ecu gives you the opportunity to do, best of both worlds no emission zone costs no adblue win win.
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That is just putting the £s in your pocket before the pollution we all have to breathe. It is one thing to accidentally break the law as we all do occasionally with speed limits but deliberately breaking the law to cheat the emissions is entirely different. Just my opinion but I call it selfish as well as illegal.
Al n Val said:
My last motorhome had Euro 6 engine and no adblue so no polution issues or it wouldn’t have been manufactured. MOT passed no issues whatsoever.

New motorhome, same engine and adblue, so removing it cannot increase the pollution as there’s none to start with surely
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Not the same engine. The pre 2020 Euro 6 Fiat engines relied on an EGR system, the newer ones have AdBlue. There are pollution issues if the AdBlue system is disabled and it is illegal.

The more rigorous 2020 emissions testing system forced Fiat to adopt AdBlue.
 
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At 400 miles until the low adblue warning comes on would indicate a possible tank level float issue, if the OP could tell us how much he adds when the warning comes on, then we can compare with other Funster🤔
 
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I would have the lot deleted both egr and adblue if I didn't have a 5yr warranty
Speve said:
There was a problem with 2017 Ducato but Fiat did a recall.
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It's a software problem the issue I am talking about, and the high cost of repair is due to wrong diagnoses as the fault says it's the high pressure egr at fault when it is really the low pressure egr.
 
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Pausim said:
That is just putting the £s in your pocket before the pollution we all have to breathe. It is one thing to accidentally break the law as we all do occasionally with speed limits but deliberately breaking the law to cheat the emissions is entirely different. Just my opinion but I call it selfish as well as illegal.

Not the same engine. The pre 2020 Euro 6 Fiat engines relied on an EGR system, the newer ones have AdBlue. There are pollution issues if the AdBlue system is disabled and it is illegal.

The more rigorous 2020 emissions testing system forced Fiat to adopt AdBlue.
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Hold on a second while I glue my hands to the road after polishing my halo 😇
 
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Before we start singing the praises of the (problematic) twin-EGR Ducato as a non-Adblue solution to NOx emissions it's worth bearing in mind that it was shown by Promobil in road tests that it simply didn't work and on-the-road NOx emissions were 4-5 times the permitted level.
Still not as bad as the Boxer/Relay 2.0 BlueHDi Euro6B Adblue engine though which was worse again and bottom of the test pile. No good having Adblue if you don't inject enough of it.

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Pausim said:
Not the same engine. The pre 2020 Euro 6 Fiat engines relied on an EGR system, the newer ones have AdBlue. There are pollution issues if the AdBlue system is disabled and it is illegal.
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it is exactly the same engine as i’m aware, it’s the ancillaries bolted to the engine that are different

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Al n Val said:
it is exactly the same engine as i’m aware, it’s the ancillaries bolted to the engine that are different
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The ancillaries are all part of the engine, without them it doesn’t work. People say a 150bhp and a 180bhp are different engines but the difference lies mostly in the ancillaries not in the engine block. Anyway the point I was making is that when you said
Al n Val said:
New motorhome, same engine and adblue, so removing it cannot increase the pollution as there’s none to start with surely
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you were wrong.
 
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Pausim said:
The ancillaries are all part of the engine, without them it doesn’t work. People say a 150bhp and a 180bhp are different engines but the difference lies mostly in the ancillaries not in the engine block. Anyway the point I was making is that when you said

you were wrong.
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No I wasn’t but i’m not here to argue with you as i’m busy sat in the sunshine ☀️
 
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AdBlu crystallization is a well known problem.

I have a Citroen Berlingo
It's on its 3rd AdBlu tank, luckily still under warranty.

When I was last at the dealers they had three other Berlingos in the yard awaiting the parts for the AdBlu tank replacement.

They even had Vauxhall and Peugeot dealers calling them from all over the UK to see if they could buy the parts off Citroen, as so many new vehicles need new tanks.

Basically an engine fitted with an AdBlu tank is not designed to sit around for weeks at a time, especially in the summer.
 
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According to this Total site AdBlue crystallises at -11C and the tank should have a heater to prevent this. I guess the crystals that are causing the problem are forming for some other reason.
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Pausim said:
I have no time for that crowd either but why give them more ammunition to use against motorists.
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They don't need any.
Do they only block the vehicles without ad blue? When they do eventually leave, do they all get in their electric cars? No, they are wearing their Asian made clothes, drinking coffee sourced in South America and telling each other how worthy they are before booking their flight to their next holiday abroad.
Thats life...
 
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Coolcats said:
Quick question is this myth or fact, if you top up I would sugest the Crystals are re-absorbed In to the solution and the same if any fall into the solution. Any evidence to the contrary would be welcomed
Edited to say it could be the same myth that floats around saying it’s sheep piss
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I believe there is a flushing additive for the Adblue system, I recall at my last full service my garage flushed it out.
 
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Pausim said:
According to this Total site AdBlue crystallises at -11C and the tank should have a heater to prevent this. I guess the crystals that are causing the problem are forming for some other reason.
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Questions about AdBlue®: our tips and tricks - ChangeforBlue

All the useful information you need about AdBlue®, how it works and how to use it
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AdBlu crystalises at any temperature!
But more so above 25c
Just look at any empty AdBlu container soon after you have emptied it. You get a white crust around the top within a few minutes
 
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I can confirm that after over 12 months of on and off issues with my Nox sensor, it finally packed up last week and countdown timer got down to 56 miles before I could get in the garage for replacement, which I await the call to collect today. I am dreading the bill.

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Coolcats said:
Quick question is this myth or fact, if you top up I would sugest the Crystals are re-absorbed In to the solution and the same if any fall into the solution. Any evidence to the contrary would be welcomed
Edited to say it could be the same myth that floats around saying it’s sheep piss
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The main ingredient of AdBlu is Urea.

Urea can either be a liquid or a bulk powder.
There are two ways of making Urea
'Natural Urea or 'Technical Urea', under a microscope they are chemically identical.
The only real difference is the cost of production, with Technical Urea needing quite a lot of (expensive) heat to make..
The majority of Urea used in manufacturing therefore is the cheaper 'Natural Urea'

The main sources of Natural Urea are cow urine and pig urine, but urine from any other source including sheep and other undulates will do.
 
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