Adblue removal

[yellowcarnoreturn]

Does anyone have a contact that removes Adblue through software update? TIA

 

[pagey]

has anybody heard of deleting the upper and lower egr on pre ad blu ducatos

 

[Peppadog]

I think I read someone doing it on MHF recently. Not sure who or what age van it was.

I only recently bought my Jan. 2020 reg. So 2019 build Ducato and was surprised it had no ad blue or stop start tbh.

 

[Jo662]

Quick question is this myth or fact, if you top up I would sugest the Crystals are re-absorbed In to the solution and the same if any fall into the solution. Any evidence to the contrary would be welcomed
Edited to say it could be the same myth that floats around saying it’s sheep piss

I deal with alot of commercial workshops,and that is the feed back I am getting. They say the drivers don't bother to top up until its nearly empty and they are having problems with system circulation.
And It's not just one garage it's alot of them.
That along with nox sensor failure its a big problem.

BTW I thought it was pig piss

 

[Steve and Denise]

Ones I have seen the flap hinge is on the left and the fillers angle towards the right.

Ones I have seen the flap hinge is on the left and the fillers angle towards the right.

Other way around on ours

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[Coolcats]

The main ingredient of AdBlu is Urea.

Urea can either be a liquid or a bulk powder.
There are two ways of making Urea
'Natural Urea or 'Technical Urea', under a microscope they are chemically identical.
The only real difference is the cost of production, with Technical Urea needing quite a lot of (expensive) heat to make..
The majority of Urea used in manufacturing therefore is the cheaper 'Natural Urea'

The main sources of Natural Urea are cow urine and pig urine, but urine from any other source including sheep and other undulates will do.

Now this is the AA view on ad blue and is what I have been told on quite a few occasions.

What is AdBlue made of?​

Greenox who are a manufacturer of Ad Blue state:

Only two components are needed to make AdBlue®:

• Urea - a synthetic chemical produced from Ammonia and Carbon Dioxide (pictured right)
• Water - purified and free from trace minerals or other chemicals

They go on to state:

There are two main production routes used for AdBlue®

1. By dissolving solidified Urea granules (called prills) in purified water at a location close to the market where it is needed
2. By dissolving the synthetic Urea stream in pure water at a Urea factory

Providing that the correct quality controls and testing regimes are in place, both of these routes produce AdBlue® of the required quality.

 

[the1andonly]

has anybody heard of deleting the upper and lower egr on pre ad blu ducatos

At this point in time i have had no confirmation from any major "tinkerer" of ecus (and some minor ones) in the UK . I know of 2 people very actively trying to do this. These have had serious problems. One has come to conclusion that a clean LPEGR will be required every 2 years as a precaution. I know of 4 europeans having done this or something simular (one with a method that would not pass an MOT). The overfueling problem can lead to a blocked LPEGR cooler.

The soot has been scrapped away to show the gauze of the "tea strainer".
The exhaust of a good engine should be soot free, nice and clean, no deposits on a kitchen roll wiped inside.

The Adblue Peugeot Citroen engine seems to have a greater number of problems reported on www. than the twin egr ducato. This may change in next few years with pooly kept/used machines coming to light. With a bit of luck Fiat resolved the overfuelling issues with later software versions. With knowledge and monitoring (physical) and using Multiecuscan my engine will be purring into the next decade.
If anyone has any questions contact me and i will be happy to analyse any MES data or advise what to monitor.
Proper data collection is required just using a generic code reader can tell you jack or even point you in the wrong direction.

 

[yellowcarnoreturn]

Makes you glad you have a pre AdBlue vehicle, doesn't it.

I wish

 

[The Artilleryman]

NOX sensor problems are well known in the bus industry. My last employer stopped changing them to save money and our then 6 year old buses would not pull uphill.

 

[Al n Val]

Enjoy the sunshine.

We are

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[BouncyBoatFolk]

I deal with alot of commercial workshops,and that is the feed back I am getting. They say the drivers don't bother to top up until its nearly empty and they are having problems with system circulation.
And It's not just one garage it's alot of them.
That along with nox sensor failure its a big problem.

BTW I thought it was pig piss

For the cost of it now one could be forgiven for thinking it was from Unicorns,
Mike.

 

[donkey]

Other way around on ours View attachment 710609View attachment 710609

May be a Citroen thing, but there was a recall to replace Adblu fillers that were all blue with a filler with a white centre. The new cap incorporates a breather to prevent the tank from imploding. May be worth checking out.

Geoff

 

[RandallC]

Because I can just like the Adblue suppliers that use copious amounts of plastic containers.
I don’t need sarky comments.

1st NOT sarky just for info perhaps you'd explain the rational of buying a recent MH at who knows what value and findingg the purchase of a litre or so of adblue every 1000m or so is a problem?

People were angry at Deisel gate and wanted compensation and now people want to remove the ad blue!!! If caught will they be happy to pay compensation to the government ?

2nd Coolcats just a passing comment, never mind HMG. Am happy to receive compensation from anyone who decides they can circumvent the LAW and may risk causing harm to anyone.



Yes a bit tongue in cheek, and am no saint but seriously is it not about doing the right thing?

 

[Otter Spotter]

Just picked my van up and for replaced Nox Sensor and DPF regen £408.
I did ask him to get the De-Fib paddles ready before he gave me the bill !

 

[the1andonly]

you'd explain the rational of buying a recent MH at who knows what value and findingg the purchase of a litre or so of adblue every 1000m or so is a problem?

Forget all the other coments I cant understand people confusing 1 off capital costs and running costs. A new van comes out of my capital never to earn a cent in interest again, diesel comes out of my pension.

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[Soycd]

Motorhomes tend to have more problems than vans because people don't use them properly and leave them sitting around for months on end

I agree. Our current Fiat Ducato based PVC has 43,000 miles on the clock, it's a 2018 reg. Never had any problems. Previous motorhomes have averaged about 9-10,000 miles a year. No engine problems at all. I expect the Ducato is designed for high mileage, so I oblige.

 

[Lenny HB]

I agree. Our current Fiat Ducato based PVC has 43,000 miles on the clock, it's a 2018 reg. Never had any problems. Previous motorhomes have averaged about 9-10,000 miles a year. No engine problems at all. I expect the Ducato is designed for high mileage, so I oblige.

We only do 8k-9k a year, still very low for a commercial that is built to do 30,000 plus a year.

 

[Lenny HB]

Other way around on ours View attachment 710609View attachment 710609

No sign of your fuel filler all the ones I've seen the fuel filler is immediately above the AdBlue filler.

 

[Steve and Denise]

No sign of your fuel filler all the ones I've seen the fuel filler is immediately above the AdBlue filler.

Iveco-Fiat two different chassis

 

[Lenny HB]

Iveco-Fiat two different chassis

I didn't realise you were on an Iveco.

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[Brains]

Now this is the AA view on ad blue and is what I have been told on quite a few occasions.

What is AdBlue made of?​

Greenox who are a manufacturer of Ad Blue state:

Only two components are needed to make AdBlue®:

• Urea - a synthetic chemical produced from Ammonia and Carbon Dioxide (pictured right)
• Water - purified and free from trace minerals or other chemicals

They go on to state:

There are two main production routes used for AdBlue®

1. By dissolving solidified Urea granules (called prills) in purified water at a location close to the market where it is needed
2. By dissolving the synthetic Urea stream in pure water at a Urea factory

Providing that the correct quality controls and testing regimes are in place, both of these routes produce AdBlue® of the required quality.

Make your own mind up.

In the last 20 years I've arranged the movement of hundreds of thousands of tonnes of Urea all over the world in both bulk and liquid form.

The description above is for 'Technical Urea'
Chemically it's identical to Natural Urea

Technical Urea costs considerably more to make per tonne, hence the majority of Urea in use globally is Natural Urea, which is typically made from cow and pig piss, however the manufacturers of AdBlu are not going to be plastering that all over their websites!

 

[Coolcats]

Make your own mind up.

In the last 20 years I've arranged the movement of hundreds of thousands of tonnes of Urea all over the world in both bulk and liquid form.

The description above is for 'Technical Urea'
Chemically is identical to Natural Urea

Technical Urea costs considerably more to make per tonne, hence the majority of Urea in use globally is Natural Urea, which is typically made from cow and pig piss, however the manufacturers of AdBlu are not going to be plastering that all over their websites!

So how do they collect the pig urea transport it, purify as there will be a whole lot of other S***t in it and then make the prills? Each animal will be producing urea in different concentration and quality depending on what they eat and how hydrated they are.

Genuinely interested as my guess is it’s a lot easier to just get Amonia and Carbon mix it and let it rain down from a shower head to form prills. That’s exactly how amonium nitrate is made.

 

[Jonno1103]

Because I can just like the Adblue suppliers that use copious amounts of plastic containers.
I don’t need sarky comments.

Fill from a forecourt pump instead, it's cheaper than the bottled stuff too.

 

[Jonno1103]

That’s what I do Lenny but not all filling stations have Adblue pumps, especially in France and Spain

I’m now having to carry 2 x 10ltr containers of it and tbh it’s a pita

Also i’m wondering if mine might have a problem, brand new and i’d done 1250 miles ish before the warning light came on. This trip from leaving home to cross France it came on after 480 miles

daveclare were witness to that as well

That's because it's classed as a consumable like fuel so it's never full from any dealership on purchase.

 

[Brains]

So how do they collect the pig urea transport it, purify as there will be a whole lot of other S***t in it and then make the prills? Each animal will be producing urea in different concentration and quality depending on what they eat and how hydrated they are.

Genuinely interested as my guess is it’s a lot easier to just get Amonia and Carbon mix it and let it rain down from a shower head to form prills. That’s exactly how amonium nitrate is made.

They put the pigs on high perches and then collect the pee in cups.

or, the whole lot is mixed with water, and much like any normal sewage water to drinking water purification system the various impurities are filtered out.
As for the technicalities of how they do it, I'd have to google it, I arranged shipping, not manufacture.

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[Al n Val]

Jonno1103

if you read my post again John I said when collected from new at the dealers i’d done approx 1250 miles before the adblue warning light came on.

This current trip i’d done, after filling all tanks, diesel, lpg and adblue, it did 480 miles before it came on, so that tells me something might not be quite right

It goes in for its first check in April so that’s on the to do list to check over

Al

 

[gus-lopez]

I have no time for that crowd either but why give them more ammunition to use against motorists.

No the ammunition needs to be used on them.

The main ingredient of AdBlu is Urea.

Urea can either be a liquid or a bulk powder.
There are two ways of making Urea
'Natural Urea or 'Technical Urea', under a microscope they are chemically identical.
The only real difference is the cost of production, with Technical Urea needing quite a lot of (expensive) heat to make..
The majority of Urea used in manufacturing therefore is the cheaper 'Natural Urea'

The main sources of Natural Urea are cow urine and pig urine, but urine from any other source including sheep and other undulates will do.

Exactly.

1st NOT sarky just for info perhaps you'd explain the rational of buying a recent MH at who knows what value and findingg the purchase of a litre or so of adblue every 1000m or so is a problem?

If you can get 1000miles out of one litre on any vehicle it must be broken. most use copious amounts.

Yes a bit tongue in cheek, and am no saint but seriously is it not about doing the right thing?

No ,if it was we would have honest politicians.

Most ad blue systems are not fit for purpose. Fact
Ad blue crystallisees , Fact
most Nox sensors along with others are not fit for purpose.Fact
All egr systems are utter shite Fact

Anything electrical has a minimum life of 6 years according to EU directives. fact
They are asking the automotive industry to make diesel engines ,which are meant to run on ANY type of hydro carbon , run on diesel alone with exhaust gases cleaner than the air they are ingesting.
Manufacturers did this years ago. The more they improved them ,the more they moved the goalposts.
If people have trouble breathing maybe it is the people who have a problem? you can't keep everyone alive at the expense of tens of millions.
& no, I have no interest in improving the air quality for myself & family so I certainly have no interest in improving it for you & yours at my expense?

 

[Googlebot]

If people have trouble breathing maybe it is the people who have a problem? you can't keep everyone alive at the expense of tens of millions.
& no, I have no interest in improving the air quality for myself & family so I certainly have no interest in improving it for you & yours at my expense?

At least you’re honest.

 

[Langtoftlad]

If you can get 1000miles out of one litre on any vehicle it must be broken.

Mine must be broken - haven't used any AdBlue for a couple of years at least, about 14,000 miles since last refill. At least 2 MOT's passed if not three.

 

[Coolcats]

They put the pigs on high perches and then collect the pee in cups.

or, the whole lot is mixed with water, and much like any normal sewage water to drinking water purification system the various impurities are filtered out.
As for the technicalities of how they do it, I'd have to google it, I arranged shipping, not manufacture.

Totally understand about shipping not manufacturing, but as Ad Blue is being used on an industrial scale it just seems easier to make it rather than to collect transport and refine the animal product, now I could be wrong but how many litres are produced and how much from one pig would be needed for a 5 litre can.

It’s an intriguing question I don’t have an answer but suspect industrial scale production needs an industrial supply of urea

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[ianrm]

I work for a Tuning company and we are getting more and more calls for Add Blue deletion.
Some of the VAG range of vehicles cost £thousands to fix the Add Blue faults. The parts are often on back order and when customers only have a range of a few hundred miles it can render the vehicle unusable.
We recently had one customer who was getting through £30 of Add Blue every couple of weeks. The vehicle is just in Warranty but the dealer won’t replace the system unless it fails completely. They even said if it was replaced it would go wrong again.