The resurrection of Doc, bringing a 20 year old neismann Bischoff Flair back to life after 12 years off road.

Northernraider said:
Right , we connected one of the other batteries back up and it made no difference. I removed the control panel and yes that small battery has leaked or corroded so I'll order one of those. However as I get no gas or anything with the panel off I cleaned the small battery just now and refitted the panel. Tried switching it on... the first 2 attempts it just beeped and went off again but 3rd time it stayed on and is still on at the minute will see how that fairs. I've got EHU back on and charger connected to recharge batteries but they still showing 13+ volts so I think they're OK just now and it's either that battery on control panel causing probs or something else

I did find put though that the satellite system was wired direct to batteries and I've now removed that cable .. so only the power cables now running ro the batteries from the electric boxes in big locker so I'm wondering why they have the batteries si far away and can I relocate battery to inside that big locker next to the charger.

So for now the panel is on I'll see how that goes overnight , I'll order a battery for the controller. The fridge is upside down till tomorrow. Just smiffy is watching gran prix and I'm going on roof after lunch to remove satellite dish


Oh and that short arse scratched me new van 😭😭😭 nae patience he has .



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I've not had a chance to read all comments etc so if I've missed any ill get them later
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Two black boxes bottom right of first picture, any names on as I have not seen them before, I don’t see why you couldn’t put batteries in the big side locker as under the floor in the garage will limit your choice severely, if you are going to have an inverter that would be good in there as well then you just need to work out a route for the solar cables, bothe battery connections are in that locker as well so would all be quite handy.
 
funflair said:
Two black boxes bottom right of first picture, any names on as I have not seen them before, I don’t see why you couldn’t put batteries in the big side locker as under the floor in the garage will limit your choice severely, if you are going to have an inverter that would be good in there as well then you just need to work out a route for the solar cables, bothe battery connections are in that locker as well so would all be quite handy.
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The two black boxes ...one is central locking and its been unplugged for some reason. Will look in to that later.

Yeah battery in that locker makes more sense to me .. there's already a hole in the roof above wardrobe where satellite came in so I thought I'd just bring cables in there and through middle floor to inside that locker
 
Splash the cash Tam

Roger and Nigel will sort you out at Offgrid Power Solutions, big lithium and a multiplus II with a roof full of solar

Get all the old stuff out and bin it and you’ll be self sufficient for as long as you want

They’ll even let you do as much as you want then finish it off

Do it right, do it once 👍
 
Tam get some contact cleaner
And go over the whole control panel with a good amount. Unplugged of course. My Hymer was playing up when I first got it. Used contact cleaner and it sorted all the problems out. Yours has been lying for a long time.
Give it a try.

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Outdoors Dad said:
It's a shame this wasn't on YouTube as I can see some products being given cheap for the promotion/advertising...it has the potential
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Tam hasn't got the time. He has 4 dogs, where are they supposed to go while he spends all day filming? he can't stay at Garry's forever:ROFLMAO:
 
I wonder what the story behind this van is ?

Why would anyone leave a very expensive 8 year old top of the range motorhome sitting in a barn for the next 12 years ?
12 years ago it could have been sold for a six figure sum as an 8 year old motorhome in very good condition.
Now after 12 years of storage fees and zero use I doubt Tam paid even a quarter of the value it once held.

I also wonder about the strange 'office' set up in the layout.
It looks like it was designed to run an office of some type with the accommodation as a secondary option.
Possibly some sort of race official ?
I wonder if things like the cooker and bed have ever been used ?

(For example our van when we got it had was nearly 2 years old, had 6,500 miles on the clock, the carpets and TV were worn out, but the the cooker and mattresses still were covered in plastic as they had never been used, but we know why)
 
Took the interior trim off the big skylight today and that extra panel that someone had fitted around it . To be honest I expected it to be worse under there . There's a few slight watermarks but I might be able to make them better , gotta be better than that unsightly panel.

I suspect the skylight is knackered though as far as electric goes.. they're not cheap though so again unless I can pick up a second hand manual one I might have to just leave it closed all the time. Anyone know If they're all standard size?
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Brains said:
I also wonder about the strange 'office' set up in the layout.
It looks like it was designed to run an office of some type with the accommodation as a secondary option.
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Tam had one like that before , about 3 or 4 vans back. :laughing: It had a lowered rear floor for computer operations & more electricity than the a power station

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Brains said:
I wonder what the story behind this van is ?

Why would anyone leave a very expensive 8 year old top of the range motorhome sitting in a barn for the next 12 years ?
12 years ago it could have been sold for a six figure sum as an 8 year old motorhome in very good condition.
Now after 12 years of storage fees and zero use I doubt Tam paid even a quarter of the value it once held.

I also wonder about the strange 'office' set up in the layout.
It looks like it was designed to run an office of some type with the accommodation as a secondary option.
Possibly some sort of race official ?
I wonder if things like the cooker and bed have ever been used ?

(For example our van when we got it had was nearly 2 years old, had 6,500 miles on the clock, the carpets and TV were worn out, but the the cooker and mattresses still were covered in plastic as they had never been used, but we know why)
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It’s the same reason that you see old cars rotting on peoples driveways… there’s quite a few around my way that have perfectly good motors covered in green moss down the side of the house, probably the same reason why “poor farmers” have machinery rotting in fields…
 
Brains said:
I wonder what the story behind this van is ?

Why would anyone leave a very expensive 8 year old top of the range motorhome sitting in a barn for the next 12 years ?
12 years ago it could have been sold for a six figure sum as an 8 year old motorhome in very good condition.
Now after 12 years of storage fees and zero use I doubt Tam paid even a quarter of the value it once held.

I also wonder about the strange 'office' set up in the layout.
It looks like it was designed to run an office of some type with the accommodation as a secondary option.
Possibly some sort of race official ?
I wonder if things like the cooker and bed have ever been used ?

(For example our van when we got it had was nearly 2 years old, had 6,500 miles on the clock, the carpets and TV were worn out, but the the cooker and mattresses still were covered in plastic as they had never been used, but we know why)
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Yes, I noticed the office desk look, not a dining table:unsure: edited to say I liked it as I would use it to work on my laptop (y)
 
I can’t see office layout this was very normal,and if I was buying anew morelo or concord flair I’d want the bar layout it suits us and our previous van had the same layout. The 2 front seats turn round making a nice social space.
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Brains said:
I wonder what the story behind this van is ?

Why would anyone leave a very expensive 8 year old top of the range motorhome sitting in a barn for the next 12 years ?
12 years ago it could have been sold for a six figure sum as an 8 year old motorhome in very good condition.
Now after 12 years of storage fees and zero use I doubt Tam paid even a quarter of the value it once held.

I also wonder about the strange 'office' set up in the layout.
It looks like it was designed to run an office of some type with the accommodation as a secondary option.
Possibly some sort of race official ?
I wonder if things like the cooker and bed have ever been used ?

(For example our van when we got it had was nearly 2 years old, had 6,500 miles on the clock, the carpets and TV were worn out, but the the cooker and mattresses still were covered in plastic as they had never been used, but we know why)
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Northernraider said:
Also removed the satellite dish and gave the roof a bit of a clean . Will have to give it a detailed wash under all the skylights etc but got a lot of it cleaned

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Looking so much better already!! I am impressed. 👍🏼

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Brains said:
I wonder what the story behind this van is ?

Why would anyone leave a very expensive 8 year old top of the range motorhome sitting in a barn for the next 12 years ?
12 years ago it could have been sold for a six figure sum as an 8 year old motorhome in very good condition.
Now after 12 years of storage fees and zero use I doubt Tam paid even a quarter of the value it once held.

I also wonder about the strange 'office' set up in the layout.
It looks like it was designed to run an office of some type with the accommodation as a secondary option.
Possibly some sort of race official ?
I wonder if things like the cooker and bed have ever been used ?

(For example our van when we got it had was nearly 2 years old, had 6,500 miles on the clock, the carpets and TV were worn out, but the the cooker and mattresses still were covered in plastic as they had never been used, but we know why)
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The layout is standard for this van, we bought one a couple of years newer than this about 12 years ago, it was the 3 litre so more desirable/expensive but we paid less than half of what you think it would be worth.
 
Brains said:
I wonder what the story behind this van is ?

Why would anyone leave a very expensive 8 year old top of the range motorhome sitting in a barn for the next 12 years ?
12 years ago it could have been sold for a six figure sum as an 8 year old motorhome in very good condition.
Now after 12 years of storage fees and zero use I doubt Tam paid even a quarter of the value it once held.

I also wonder about the strange 'office' set up in the layout.
It looks like it was designed to run an office of some type with the accommodation as a secondary option.
Possibly some sort of race official ?
I wonder if things like the cooker and bed have ever been used ?

(For example our van when we got it had was nearly 2 years old, had 6,500 miles on the clock, the carpets and TV were worn out, but the the cooker and mattresses still were covered in plastic as they had never been used, but we know why)
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The second owner a Mr David George bought the van in 2008 , he wasn't in good health , sometime mid 2012 he was too unwell to use it. It went in to his large barn/shed and despite many people offering to buy it he hung on to it hoping he'd be well enough again to use it. In 2021 he was going to sell it .. it got motd etc and then he changed his mind and it went back in the barn till October 2023 . It was then again motd , serviced and a hab check done on it . And the dealer I bought it from bought it on 22/01/24

And he never used it either.

It did less than 100 miles between 2012 and 2023 .

Being parked indoors gas preserved it somewhat and it will mostly clean up good on the outside with just a few areas requiring paintwork .
 
gus-lopez said:
Tam had one like that before , about 3 or 4 vans back. :laughing: It had a lowered rear floor for computer operations & more electricity than the a power station
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Thar was the one I had last year and took to morroco . It had been modified

This one however is factory produced and is one of the most sought after layouts . I would have preferred the 2 sofa version but I like the bar style too .

I would have liked the front seats to swivel also but they are on a different level to the rear seating .
 
Flairy said:
I can’t see office layout this was very normal,and if I was buying anew morelo or concord flair I’d want the bar layout it suits us and our previous van had the same layout. The 2 front seats turn round making a nice social space.
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My front seats don't swivel unfortunately.

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Brains said:
I wonder what the story behind this van is ?

Why would anyone leave a very expensive 8 year old top of the range motorhome sitting in a barn for the next 12 years ?
12 years ago it could have been sold for a six figure sum as an 8 year old motorhome in very good condition.
Now after 12 years of storage fees and zero use I doubt Tam paid even a quarter of the value it once held.

I also wonder about the strange 'office' set up in the layout.
It looks like it was designed to run an office of some type with the accommodation as a secondary option.
Possibly some sort of race official ?
I wonder if things like the cooker and bed have ever been used ?

(For example our van when we got it had was nearly 2 years old, had 6,500 miles on the clock, the carpets and TV were worn out, but the the cooker and mattresses still were covered in plastic as they had never been used, but we know why)
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If you read back through the winter trip thread the history as best is known of the van is on there
 
Northernraider said:
Also removed the satellite dish and gave the roof a bit of a clean . Will have to give it a detailed wash under all the skylights etc but got a lot of it cleaned

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Looking good(y) next time you are up there check the joint where the front cap meets the roof, it is Sikaflex or something similar but then it is taped over with something that looks like a foil backed bitumen tape and it is supposed to be changed/replaced every few years, I did ours with Eternabond RV tape which has something like a 25 year lifespan.
 
Northernraider said:
Also removed the satellite dish and gave the roof a bit of a clean . Will have to give it a detailed wash under all the skylights etc but got a lot of it cleaned

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Plenty of lovely roof space for some mega solar panels (y)
Have you thought about putting them on tilting frames [ I think Martin jumar has at least one that tilts ]
Brains said:
I also wonder about the strange 'office' set up in the layout.
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I'm sure I've seen a similar desk layout in another A Class

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