Tam &Toby do Europe ...Take two

Nope, standard alternator. Fiat's for camper conversions always had a standard alternator until the Euro 6d engine last year.

My set up is the same as yours except my alternator is probably a higher a output I think its either 160 or 180 amp.
Cool ....
 
Lenny, would that output from the alternator make a difference?
Only if everything on the engine side was running, i.e. Headlamps, fog lamps, heater full blast, wipers, aircon etc., & the engine battery was low. Even then I think you would still get a decent charge rate.

I think the standard alternator is 90 amp but Hymer have been fitting uprated alternators for over 20 years can't remember what Tam's is, either 120 or 150 amp.
 
I'd imagine so
....ive actually no idea what amp mine is as I just needed an alternator at the time and was in spain
Quiet night tonight Tam?

I don't think you alternator size will make a lot of odds for these tests as you are not running any engine auxiliaries.
 
Only if everything on the engine side was running, i.e. Headlamps, fog lamps, heater full blast, wipers, aircon etc., & the engine battery was low. Even then I think you would still get a decent charge rate.

I think the standard alternator is 90 amp but Hymer have been fitting uprated alternators for over 20 years can't remember what Tam's is, either 120 or 150 amp.
Yeah when I was looking the other week there were 3 options 90 , 120,150

No idea what i fitted last year though....we just took it off and asked them for one to fit lol.

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Quiet night tonight Tam?

I don't think you alternator size will make a lot of odds for these tests as you are not running any engine auxiliaries.
It was busy earlier but down to dribs and drabs at the minute .....shops full of pissheads .


Aye but I'm just thinking that in winter time when I need it most I'm going to be running lights , heating etc etc

Think I may have to invest in a b2b
 
Yeah when I was looking the other week there were 3 options 90 , 120,150

No idea what i fitted last year though....we just took it off and asked them for one to fit lol.
Alternator current output isn't particularly relevant for charging purposes. As Lenny HB said it only matters if a lot of base vehicle services are in use when either of the batteries are being charged. It might matter in the middle of a cold, wet, & dark winters night when heater, lights, wipers, etc are in use. Carry on with the tests Tam - we're heading in the right direction.

Vehicle alternators are sized to cope with the vehicles electrical load which is why as vehicle electrics have become more sophisticated alternator outputs have risen dramatically. In the '70s a high output alternator was 50A and the usual fitment was 35A. With only simple services to power they were more than adequate to keep the battery charged.
 
Think I may have to invest in a b2b
The B2B was designed especially for people who stay a few nights in one place then move on. Just choose one from a recognised supplier of quality van battery charging kit. Sterling or Victron sell good stuff. No doubt someone on here will recommend one or the other.
 
The B2B was designed especially for people who stay a few nights in one place then move on. Just choose one from a recognised supplier of quality van battery charging kit. Sterling or Victron sell good stuff. No doubt someone on here will recommend one or the other.
Aye i was looking at the sterling ones on ebay ....seems to be a few different ones
 
Aye i was looking at the sterling ones on ebay ....seems to be a few different ones
I think I would go for a Votronic, not impressed with the sterling one.

First I think it's worth spending 35 quid on a DC clamp meter like I used on your van. Then make a direct connection from starter battery to leisure battery, a good quality jump lead will do. Pull the 50amp fuse by the starter battery to disconnect the EBL. Then you can confirm that the alternator is OK and not falling over when more current is required.

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I think I would go for a Votronic, not impressed with the sterling one.

First I think it's worth spending 35 quid on a DC clamp meter like I used on your van. Then make a direct connection from starter battery to leisure battery, a good quality jump lead will do. Pull the 50amp fuse by the starter battery to disconnect the EBL. Then you can confirm that the alternator is OK and not falling over when more current is required.
I'm not sure i have a jump lead long enough but I do have a 5 metre length of cable the same thickness as the wires going from battery to ebl at the minute
 
I think I would go for a Votronic, not impressed with the sterling one.

First I think it's worth spending 35 quid on a DC clamp meter like I used on your van. Then make a direct connection from starter battery to leisure battery, a good quality jump lead will do. Pull the 50amp fuse by the starter battery to disconnect the EBL. Then you can confirm that the alternator is OK and not falling over when more current is required.
If the alternator voltage doesn't drop under the highest load you can place on it then there's no need to measure current. The only thing that drives the charging current is the voltage at the alternator. It cannot exceed approx 14.5v and should hold 14+v up to its rated output current. There's nothing to be gained by measuring current as well. Follow that voltage from the alternator to the battery. If it drops below 14v anywhere between the alternator and the leisure battery you have just passed the problem area. Doing anything else will confuse the issue - or confuse Tam Northernraider. Running a bypass cable is fine but the only check needed once that's done is to look for an increase in voltage at the leisure battery.

I agree current measurement is another way of doing it but will offer no more information than a voltage test and will not locate the fault. Tam has the kit and is developing the expertise to understand what the voltage readings mean. Keep testing simple and look for voltage drop. This series of tests, once the hab battery is discharged below, say, 80% should have taken no more than 30 minutes and any fault location would be known.
 
My thinking is there could be a fault in the alternator regulator and it is giving the right voltage but for some reason the current is being limited.
I still think a current check is the best option if for no other reason than proving the alternator is 100% OK.
At least Tam will be assured one component is OK.
 
I have industrial starter leads....the clamps are very strong and thick cable.
I will drop them off if you want.
Definitely want you to get to the bottom of this problem 👍👍
That could be handy if they reach 👍

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If the alternator voltage doesn't drop under the highest load you can place on it then there's no need to measure current. The only thing that drives the charging current is the voltage at the alternator. It cannot exceed approx 14.5v and should hold 14+v up to its rated output current. There's nothing to be gained by measuring current as well. Follow that voltage from the alternator to the battery. If it drops below 14v anywhere between the alternator and the leisure battery you have just passed the problem area. Doing anything else will confuse the issue - or confuse Tam Northernraider. Running a bypass cable is fine but the only check needed once that's done is to look for an increase in voltage at the leisure battery.

I agree current measurement is another way of doing it but will offer no more information than a voltage test and will not locate the fault. Tam has the kit and is developing the expertise to understand what the voltage readings mean. Keep testing simple and look for voltage drop. This series of tests, once the hab battery is discharged below, say, 80% should have taken no more than 30 minutes and any fault location would be known.
My thinking is there could be a fault in the alternator regulator and it is giving the right voltage but for some reason the current is being limited.
I still think a current check is the best option if for no other reason than proving the alternator is 100% OK.
At least Tam will be assured one component is OK.
Guys you are confusing me again lol
I'm still gettting my head round volts and amps ......don't go adding fruit.





Anyway I've ran them down a fair bit last night and are now at 100ah 66% 12.3v

Once I've been out with dogs ill start van up to see what happens.
 
My thinking is there could be a fault in the alternator regulator and it is giving the right voltage but for some reason the current is being limited.
I still think a current check is the best option if for no other reason than proving the alternator is 100% OK.
At least Tam will be assured one component is OK.
It's not something I would have considered (or have ever come across) because without circuitry to do that (or become faulty) you'd expect enough heat to generate at least smoke if not worse. But it is possible. Save it up to further irritate Tam if we run out of other ways to do so :giggler: .
 
The only thing that drives the charging current is the voltage at the alternator. It cannot exceed approx 14.5v and should hold 14+v up to its rated output current.
I thought I had read earlier in this thread that Tam had read higher voltages than this in his system , or am I doting

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I thought I had read earlier in this thread that Tam had read higher voltages than this in his system , or am I doting
No you're correct but I'm trying hard to focus on the current (see what I did there) issue. If he did see a very high voltage (I think he mentioned 17v) then the alternator is faulty without question.
 
No you're correct but I'm trying hard to focus on the current (see what I did there) issue. If he did see a very high voltage (I think he mentioned 17v) then the alternator is faulty without question.
Yes he did have 17v one day that is why I suspect the alternator has a problem.
 
Yes he did have 17v one day that is why I suspect the alternator has a problem.
If that was a reliable measurement then no further alternator tests are needed - it needs either a new regulator or a new alternator. A new alternator probably better for Tam. If that was mine and I'd taken the measurement it would be long gone. It's the only alternator fault that can do serious damage elsewhere.
 
If that was a reliable measurement then no further alternator tests are needed - it needs either a new regulator or a new alternator. A new alternator probably better for Tam. If that was mine and I'd taken the measurement it would be long gone. It's the only alternator fault that can do serious damage elsewhere.

Take the alternator off and have it bench-tested on a proper rig.

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Take the alternator off and have it bench-tested on a proper rig.
A proper rig is simply a convenience. Testing can be done equally well on the vehicle if it can be heavily loaded and run until it's hot. Again - I'd only need to see an over-high output once before replacing it.
 
A proper rig is simply a convenience. Testing can be done equally well on the vehicle if it can be heavily loaded and run until it's hot. Again - I'd only need to see an over-high output once before replacing it.
i agree if i saw 17v it would be in the bin potential for so much damage
 
If that was a reliable measurement then no further alternator tests are needed - it needs either a new regulator or a new alternator. A new alternator probably better for Tam. If that was mine and I'd taken the measurement it would be long gone. It's the only alternator fault that can do serious damage elsewhere.
I did suggest he fitted a new regulator.
 
OK so here we go

tonyidle Lenny HB
This morning as mentioned we are at 100ah 62% reading 12.3v

Start engine ....panel shows initial input at 16a and immediately starts to drop finally settling around 7-8amps

Reading at starter battery 13.9 at idle ....14v at 2000rpm
Reading at starter battery cable ebl 13.78v
Reading at habitation battery cable ebl 13.69v

Switch aircon and headlights on drops to 12.5v even at 2000rpm



The 17v thing was very weird and happened a day or so after I fitted the new control panel.
I had starter battery reading 7.8v but when van started I was getting 17+v from alternator when revving
Battery light on and a few other lights flashed up at one point

I hooked up to electric ...recharged batteries and it mysteriously has not happened since

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