Starlink ordered… I feel it’s the only sensible option now..

[Hugoman]

Yes, one wire to the dish on the pole from the waterproof box, and mains to the router (or a small inverter for 12V). You can get an Ethernet converter if you want as well from Starlink.

You'll need a VPN outside the UK. In the UK it works to UK ground stations and you get a Starlink UK IP address, but here for example in The Netherlands I get a Dutch IP so would need a VPN.

I guess so, I preferred to have a more temporary system to set up in a few minutes when parked up. I wanted it attached to the van rather than on the ground stand that they supply as it made it less obvious (and made theft or fiddling less easy).

Cheers

Thanks…got it…every answer illicits another question . What’s an Ethernet converter

 

[Coolcats]

3G wasn't a thing back then in the respect that there was very few if any places you could use it.

2003 in the U.K. Gromett so it was a ‘thing’

‘The first commercial United Kingdom 3G network was started by Hutchison Telecomwhich was originally behind Orange S.A.[17] In 2003, it announced first commercial third generation or 3G mobile phone network in the UK.’

People moan about the cost of Broadband at 1/3 of the cost of Starlink (not that it actually connects to the stars) 4g/5g is more than enough for what most wish to use. If you have the money to pay for the satellite service that’s fine but not really a must have

 

[Realist]

Star link setup and working a treat.

Faster here in caravan than in the house lol.

Streams a treat, fast and quick.

 

[Curt]

2003 in the U.K. Gromett so it was a ‘thing’

‘The first commercial United Kingdom 3G network was started by Hutchison Telecomwhich was originally behind Orange S.A.[17] In 2003, it announced first commercial third generation or 3G mobile phone network in the UK.’

People moan about the cost of Broadband at 1/3 of the cost of Starlink (not that it actually connects to the stars) 4g/5g is more than enough for what most wish to use. If you have the money to pay for the satellite service that’s fine but not really a must have

It depends on what you use it for; thankfully, everyone is different, and some need a decent unmetered connection for work. I agree that gaff-taping a cell phone to the side of the van and using it as a hotspot will also work, and if that works for some folk, super go for it.

 

[Hugoman]

Do you have a link to where I can get cheap gaffer tape by any chance ?

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[Curt]

Three rolls for 12 quid, but that may be a bit expensive.

 

[Hugoman]

Do you have a link to where I can get cheap gaffer tape by any chance ?

HaHa…I’m torn between Starlink and your Gaffer tape solution…gonna have to sleep on it

 

[Coolcats]

It depends on what you use it for; thankfully, everyone is different, and some need a decent unmetered connection for work. I agree that gaff-taping a cell phone to the side of the van and using it as a hotspot will also work, and if that works for some folk, super go for it.

Indeed you’re right, have had favourable video conf calls but most won’t need the band width required a data only sim seems to be fine. From a work perspective apart from the odd video conf there is probably very few who have huge data files as many business applications are hosted these days. Most could run their business apps happily on 2Mb

 

[Hugoman]

Indeed you’re right, have had favourable video conf calls but most won’t need the band width required a data only sim seems to be fine. From a work perspective apart from the odd video conf there is probably very few who have huge data files as many business applications are hosted these days. Most could run their business apps happily on 2Mb

I don’t think it’s about bandwidth…It’s about whether it works at all. I have to juggle 2 EU sims, Spain and France which fair enough work in Spain and France to their full GB plan…plus a UK sim…If I go to Greece or Croatia or Italy…then more problems… more time in Greece etc than UK and even more problems.

All the f’ing about by the providers with regards roaming is a pain. Doesn’t matter if you’re just doing a couple of months at a time in EU but if you’re doing 8 months then Sims are a pain….evening if you have 3 rolls of Gaffer Tape…

 

[Floydster]

One thing I will say to anyone considering getting Starlink, it's not for the faint hearted when it comes to consumption of electricity.
I reckon it's as good as 1kwh a day.

Looking at the 12v - 48v conversion which will hopefully half consumption, but not proven yet just hearsay.
Was going to make my own but have just ordered one of these as it works out cheaper and neater and will get a case printed up

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[Hugoman]

Why doesn’t it work with the original Starlink Router ?

 

[Carpmart]

One thing I will say to anyone considering getting Starlink, it's not for the faint hearted when it comes to consumption of electricity.
I reckon it's as good as 1kwh a day.

Looking at the 12v - 48v conversion which will hopefully half consumption, but not proven yet just hearsay.
Was going to make my own but have just ordered one of these as it works out cheaper and neater and will get a case printed up

Dishy Dualie DC Power Supply

Pre-Order customers receive an instant 10% discount at checkout. The perfect solution for powering your Starlink™ Dishy terminal in remote locations. Designed specifically for use in RVs, cabins, or off-grid energy systems, this power supply allows you to run your Dishy and router on batteries...

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use code 'Everlanders' to get 10% off.

I’m going to order one too Paul… can you let me know if you find someone to print the case? Everlanders has a file for printing freely available, or so he says…

 

[Floydster]

I’m going to order one too Paul… can you let me know if you find someone to print the case? Everlanders has a file for printing freely available, or so he says…

Yeah that's the one i'm going to use, he also does the flat mount files as well, but i'm not too sure what i'm doing on that front yet.

 

[Floydster]

Why doesn’t it work with the original Starlink Router ?

It can do, but i need failover backup via sim, which my router does but the starlink one doesn't.

 

[Coolcats]

For an increasing number of people, reliable data is a critical utility. Is £95 reasonable for a critical utility? Show me a cheaper and viable alternative?

Two parts to this, the first is the pervasive mobile data you mentioned is more than enough for most.

You say reliable data is critical for an increasing number of people, for the majority of the population (and agree not all) broadband is available in towns cities and locally the country folk have faster connections than the town folk as BT and others have focussed on providing fibre.

There may be a few who are out there who may need reliable data for business but my guess is it’s not as many as you would think. My BT broadband is 50 mb free calls on the land line 1TB of data storage we have the unbreakable package which works if the land line is affected. We use the free BT hotspots when out and about and there is over a million in the U.K. cheap mobile SIMs which have free calls texts and data all for about £60 a month. Should add the latency is very low in comparison to Starlink.

People have cheaper packages than this and still moan about costs.

So do most MoHo owners really ‘need’ a £90 service probably not particularly as most look for a cheap data sim that provides most if not all thier needs. Should add its also great to be away from mobile connectivity whilst having down time.

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[Carpmart]

Two parts to this, the first is the pervasive mobile data you mentioned is more than enough for most.

You say reliable data is critical for an increasing number of people, for the majority of the population (and agree not all) broadband is available in towns cities and locally the country folk have faster connections than the town folk as BT and others have focussed on providing fibre.

There may be a few who are out there who may need reliable data for business but my guess is it’s not as many as you would think. My BT broadband is 50 mb free calls on the land line 1TB of data storage we have the unbreakable package which works if the land line is affected. We use the free BT hotspots when out and about and there is over a million in the U.K. cheap mobile SIMs which have free calls texts and data all for about £60 a month. Should add the latency is very low in comparison to Starlink.

People have cheaper packages than this and still moan about costs.

So do most MoHo owners really ‘need’ a £90 service probably not particularly as most look for a cheap data sim that provides most if not all thier needs. Should add its also great to be away from mobile connectivity whilst having down time.

Acknowledge all you’re saying…..However I’m likely to be in the Motorhome for just under 300 days this year, hence I’ve had enough of chasing high availability, decent bandwidth, low latency data.

 

[Coolcats]

Acknowledge all you’re saying…..However I’m likely to be in the Motorhome for just under 300 days this year, hence I’ve had enough of chasing high availability, decent bandwidth, low latency data.

Your one of the few who would benefit

 

[Hugoman]

Two parts to this, the first is the pervasive mobile data you mentioned is more than enough for most.

You say reliable data is critical for an increasing number of people, for the majority of the population (and agree not all) broadband is available in towns cities and locally the country folk have faster connections than the town folk as BT and others have focussed on providing fibre.

There may be a few who are out there who may need reliable data for business but my guess is it’s not as many as you would think. My BT broadband is 50 mb free calls on the land line 1TB of data storage we have the unbreakable package which works if the land line is affected. We use the free BT hotspots when out and about and there is over a million in the U.K. cheap mobile SIMs which have free calls texts and data all for about £60 a month. Should add the latency is very low in comparison to Starlink.

People have cheaper packages than this and still moan about costs.

So do most MoHo owners really ‘need’ a £90 service probably not particularly as most look for a cheap data sim that provides most if not all thier needs. Should add its also great to be away from mobile connectivity whilst having down time.

Sounds to me like you are talking about UK usage….which is fine with a UK sim I suppose (BT hot spots ? Struth ! ). Roaming is a different kettle of fish…

 

[monzer]

I've never found a BT hot-spot that is suitable for anything bar sending an email. They are pretty useless.

 

[cbrookson]

For those interested in 12 volts operation, then these are good (I have them ready for setup).
They seem to be solidly made from machined block, and arrived within a couple of weeks:

1. A POE injector for Starlink (they have to be about 150W),
2. Probably more useful, to use the existing Starlink connector, so you don't have to butcher the cable, a Starlink cable to Ethernet Adapter.

I see they are out of stock at the moment, but it's probably only temporary.
I have a Chinese 12 to 48 Volt DC converter, but will be trying to find a more reliable one that will run nicely, as some of these 'Buck' converters are a bit crude!
Cheers

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[gus-lopez]

I've never found a BT hot-spot that is suitable for anything bar sending an email. They are pretty useless.

Or me.didn't even think they existed anymore?

 

[Coolcats]

I've never found a BT hot-spot that is suitable for anything bar sending an email. They are pretty useless.

Each to their own but it’s a service that can be used have used it in hotels coffee shops and a Mates house. Even use it to connect to MHF

Just connected to a bt wifi hotspot, like all Wi-Fi depends how close to the hub the speed of the broadband connected number of users applications using etc and enough for video voice calls and emails.

 

[Carpmart]

For those interested in 12 volts operation, then these are good (I have them ready for setup).
They seem to be solidly made from machined block, and arrived within a couple of weeks:

1. A POE injector for Starlink (they have to be about 150W),
2. Probably more useful, to use the existing Starlink connector, so you don't have to butcher the cable, a Starlink cable to Ethernet Adapter.

I see they are out of stock at the moment, but it's probably only temporary.
I have a Chinese 12 to 48 Volt DC converter, but will be trying to find a more reliable one that will run nicely, as some of these 'Buck' converters are a bit crude!
Cheers

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As Paul Floydster posted earlier, Everlanders seemed impressed by the quality of the Canadian made one. £79 plus some shipping… Everlanders code gets you a 10% discount.

 

[Gromett]

2003 in the U.K. Gromett so it was a ‘thing’

‘The first commercial United Kingdom 3G network was started by Hutchison Telecomwhich was originally behind Orange S.A.[17] In 2003, it announced first commercial third generation or 3G mobile phone network in the UK.’

Were you actively trying to use it back then? I was. I am telling you 3G was most definitely not a thing that was usable in any sense of the word. There were phones available but for the first year or two there were so many issue no one was buying them. They dropped calls when you moved from one cell to the next. Coverage was literally non existent outside of test areas. The companies who had spent so much money on the licenses didn't have enough to roll out services. That is on the phone front. Data was something else entirely and the situation was worse.

The technology may have been created. But it was not a viable usable service. It is why I ended up spending almost £10,000 on the satellite system and all the related gubbins in early 2005. I got fed up of waiting for 3G to become usable.

I don't care what links you provide. I was there and trying to use data for a real world application that was critical. 3G data wasn't even practical as a consumer product.

 

[Coolcats]

Or me.didn't even think they existed anymore?

Over 5 million 423 thousand hot spots to choose from

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When you join BT Wi-fi as a BT Broadband customer, your BT Hub becomes a wi-fi hotspot. In return, you get access to millions of other hotspots worldwide for free

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[chaser]

W

Over 5 million 423 thousand hot spots to choose from

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What is BT Wi-fi and how do I get it?​

BT Wi-fi (including BT Openzone) is a wi-fi broadband service that you can access in public places called hotspots. These include airports, hotels, coffee shops, motorway service stations and city centres. Get online at over 5 million BT Wi-fi hotspots throughout the UK and Ireland, and at selected locations outside the UK.
When you join BT Wi-fi as a BT Broadband customer, your BT Hub becomes a wi-fi hotspot. In return, you get access to millions of other hotspots worldwide for free

What was the one that was supposed to work in Europe? If you had bt it was supposed to work the same.
I had that over ten years ago , never was able to find one, I had forgotten all about it.
Used to have BT and had to switch it off because it was pinging all the time when it found a signal.
Amazing where it found them but haven't had bt for years now.

 

[Wh05apk]

Over 5 million 423 thousand hot spots to choose from

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What is BT Wi-fi and how do I get it?​

BT Wi-fi (including BT Openzone) is a wi-fi broadband service that you can access in public places called hotspots. These include airports, hotels, coffee shops, motorway service stations and city centres. Get online at over 5 million BT Wi-fi hotspots throughout the UK and Ireland, and at selected locations outside the UK.
When you join BT Wi-fi as a BT Broadband customer, your BT Hub becomes a wi-fi hotspot. In return, you get access to millions of other hotspots worldwide for free

Not much use trying to stream tv on a French aire though.

 

[Coolcats]

Were you actively trying to use it back then? I was. I am telling you 3G was most definitely not a thing that was usable in any sense of the word. There were phones available but for the first year or two there were so many issue no one was buying them. They dropped calls when you moved from one cell to the next. Coverage was literally non existent outside of test areas. The companies who had spent so much money on the licenses didn't have enough to roll out services. That is on the phone front. Data was something else entirely and the situation was worse.

The technology may have been created. But it was not a viable usable service. It is why I ended up spending almost £10,000 on the satellite system and all the related gubbins in early 2005. I got fed up of waiting for 3G to become usable.

I don't care what links you provide. I was there and trying to use data for a real world application that was critical. 3G data wasn't even practical as a consumer product.

Well, it was a ‘thing’ in the early days it was patchy but that is not unusual in the roll out of any product. It worked in 2005 I used it a data dongle provided by the company enabled me to do some work on the move and yes that was 2005. I also visited Japan that year and as they had been rolling it out earlier the coverage was much better.

Had you been in a fixed premise or working for a company you would have had a lease line providing X bandwidth of data. If you chose to be an early adopter then you had the pains to go with it. Also it has to be remembered blackberrys were the no 1 phone, apple we’re just growing thier Mac book market windows XP was all the rage it was a different time and a different world. Cloud services was not really a thing due to overall bandwidth limitations across all technologies.

So you can ignore the facts and choose to just speak of your experiences and I respect that and not saying your experiences are wrong.

However what you can’t say is 3G did not exists as it did and was being rolled out just as 5g is today. I have provided dates and who and when 3G started in the U.K. that is a fact.


Having said the above I am not trying to annoy you just asking that you consider your experience may not be the full picture of what was happening at that time.

 

[chaser]

W

What was the one that was supposed to work in Europe? If you had bt it was supposed to work the same.
I had that over ten years ago , never was able to find one, I had forgotten all about it.
Used to have BT and had to switch it off because it was pinging all the time when it found a signal.
Amazing where it found them but haven't had bt for years now.

What was it that was supposed to work in Europe? It's bugging me now.

 

[Coolcats]

W

What was the one that was supposed to work in Europe? If you had bt it was supposed to work the same.
I had that over ten years ago , never was able to find one, I had forgotten all about it.
Used to have BT and had to switch it off because it was pinging all the time when it found a signal.
Amazing where it found them but haven't had bt for years now.

It’s U.K. hotspots if it was pinging all the time you were probably on the move. there are cheaper options out thier so go for it if it suits you. Their package suits us pretty reliable and they have upped their game for support or at least that was our experiance. There are a shed load of white label BT backed broadband providers out their offering cheaper packages.

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