Second home owners reprimanded?

[Captain Pants]

Great living in a free Country isn’t it?

Yes, but it’s hard to soar and fly like an eagle when you’re surrounded by turkeys!

 

[eddie]

I thought that you had Choughs?

 

[MattR]

Can you post any evidence to show that any rural hospital has not been able to cope, and that the collapse has been caused by second home owners? Or is this mere supposition, regional Xenophobi.

I provided the link earlier (https://www.motorhomefun.co.uk/forum/threads/second-home-owners-reprimanded.216761/post-3817991) which stated that

"The NHS in Cornwall cannot cope with additional people. Before the coronavirus pandemic broke in the UK, our one major hospital was at breaking point. On 3 January, the BBC reported Royal Cornwall Hospital was taking the “unprecedented” move of turning away people with minor injuries and the hospital stated that:

We have had patients waiting in the emergency department for beds for up to 12 hours and queues in the corridors

This is the only critical care unit we have and that unit only has 15 beds. According to the Telegraph, the situation is the same across the southwest:

The south west looks most vulnerable in terms of ratios. It has the oldest population (so highest expected mortality) and lowest number of critical care beds per head of population. The modelling suggests it needs six times more than currently exists there (600 per cent)."

If that was in January, what would it be like now with over 300 cases? https://www.cornwalllive.com/news/cornwall-news/coronavirus-cases-deaths-cornwall-day-4009479

 

[eddie]

A local newspape? What’s that got to do with the price of beef?

 

[Captain Pants]

And I stand by my original preface that is some one who owned a second home, made a decision to self isolate in their second home, some time before the lock down or travel ban was considered or introduced, they would be perfectly entitled to do so.

You obviously disagree, which your equally entitled to do

What bit of my post #313 “If you’re living in a 2nd home before this all kicked off, I don’t suppose it matters much what you do” indicates disagreement?

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[Captain Pants]

A local newspape? What’s that got to do with the price of beef?

Don’t let a good piece of journalism get in the way of bigotry and ignorance!

 

[MattR]

A local newspape? What’s that got to do with the price of beef?

So what have the local journalists got wrong?

 

[eddie]

What bit of my post #313 “If you’re living in a 2nd home before this all kicked off, I don’t suppose it matters much what you do” indicates disagreement?

So you do agree with me

Why all the arguing?

We’re agreed then, excellent??

 

[gus-lopez]

I wouldn't even want to be in Musgrove let alone stuck in some out of the way area miles from any hope

 

[The Old Man]

Late to this and no time to read twelve pages but;

Isn't some guy called Boris living in his second home country residence having left his London home?

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[pelican]

Late to this and no time to read twelve pages but;

Isn't some guy called Boris living in his second home country residence having left his London home?

yes you are a bit late

 

[Tanya_and_Mick]

With regards to the media, from memory I think it was Sky, they reported capacity in the NHS system and pleaded with people to still go to hospital as A&E cases had dropped to significantly low cases (especially with cases involving children) as people were most probably either scared to attend, thinking more if they had a genuine case; or, felt that the NHS were too busy and didn’t want to bother them..,,

IMHO it would great to understand the case types in A&E to really understand if units are under sourced or the public use the service inappropriately and need awareness training on when to go....

My daughter has worked in A&E in Dorset hospitals for a number of years. In general her comments that many cases (I have no numbers to support her comments) should not be in A&E; plus, current public behaviour shows that A&E services can be used at sensible levels.

My opinion still stands that communities should not dictate when so called 'non-locals' can or cannot come to certain areas.

Within the boundaries of the law (pre lockdown) - and I think the moral argument is weak - considering that people pay into a general tax system and the local community they are entitled to use their second home....

 

[Minxy]

One thing that the A&E depts will be happy about is not seeing the drunks ... hopefully they won't return in the future!

 

[Dan and Jan]

One thing that the A&E depts will be happy about is not seeing the drunks ... hopefully they won't return in the future!

Good luck with that. With the lockdown a new breed of drunk is emerging. The bored drunk.

 

[Minxy]

Good luck with that. With the lockdown a new breed of drunk is emerging. The bored drunk.

At least they're at home and not 'walking' around and falling over, getting into fight with other groups etc.

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[Peter and Julie]

At least they're at home and not 'walking' around and falling over, getting into fight with other groups etc.

Can't walk! Drunk already!

 

[Captain Pants]

Question for those on here who see only good in 2nd home ownership and its impact on others.

Item on local news tonight confirms that a loophole in the law means that owners of second homes who have registered them as a business (business rates rather than Council Tax) WILL be able to claim the £10k business grant made available by Government as part of its CV economic support programme. That’s £68m out of the door in Cornwall, multiply that by other 2nd home hotspots and it’s a huge amount of money. The grant is intended for businesses in dire straits with overheads to cover and losses to absorb to help them remain viable until they can begin to trade again. Some 2nd home owners may have lost a bit of rental income, but are you happy to see your money spent in this way?

 

[Stoosal]

I think you’re rather dipping your fishing rod in waters just hoping to try and initiate responses with this, mainly I imagine, to try and strengthen your own argument against people who own two homes.

It’s a bit like people’s opinions on winter fuel allowance for wealthy people, people who comply with tax regulations but minimise their tax liability, people who live mostly abroad but still want to vote in the UK and so on......everybody has their own view.

 

[Dan and Jan]

I think you’re rather dipping your fishing rod in waters just hoping to try and initiate responses with this, mainly I imagine, to try and strengthen your own argument against people who own two homes.

It’s a bit like people’s opinions on winter fuel allowance for wealthy people, people who comply with tax regulations but minimise their tax liability, people who live mostly abroad but still want to vote in the UK and so on......everybody has their own view.

Don’t bite, he will bore you all night. Must be quiet in Cornwall looking for outsiders.

 

[Captain Pants]

I think you’re rather dipping your fishing rod in waters just hoping to try and initiate responses with this, mainly I imagine, to try and strengthen your own argument against people who own two homes.

It’s a bit like people’s opinions on winter fuel allowance for wealthy people, people who comply with tax regulations but minimise their tax liability, people who live mostly abroad but still want to vote in the UK and so on......everybody has their own view.

Just adding some new information to the debate, if you don’t want to take part, then don’t.

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[Silver-Fox]

They also out price the people who live in the towns and villages who then can not then afford to buy a property or live there because off it and have to move away

Don’t forget it was a local that sold the house in the first place ??

 

[Silver-Fox]

I provided the link earlier (https://www.motorhomefun.co.uk/forum/threads/second-home-owners-reprimanded.216761/post-3817991) which stated that

"The NHS in Cornwall cannot cope with additional people. Before the coronavirus pandemic broke in the UK, our one major hospital was at breaking point. On 3 January, the BBC reported Royal Cornwall Hospital was taking the “unprecedented” move of turning away people with minor injuries and the hospital stated that:


This is the only critical care unit we have and that unit only has 15 beds. According to the Telegraph, the situation is the same across the southwest:


If that was in January, what would it be like now with over 300 cases? https://www.cornwalllive.com/news/cornwall-news/coronavirus-cases-deaths-cornwall-day-4009479

How does Cornwall and all the other holiday destinations cope when they are flooded with holiday makers ?

 

[Captain Pants]

How does Cornwall and all the other holiday destinations cope when they are flooded with holiday makers ?

They cope as best they can, but A&E and minor injuries waiting times get very lengthy, new patients are backed up in corridors waiting several hours for treatment, new admissions are held over for lengthy periods in ambulances because there is no space in A&E, consequently response times from ambulances become longer & longer for people dealing 999. Some patients are discharged too early or in the middle of the night in order to free up beds for new admissions. Major emergencies will obviously get priority treatment, but not necessarily a quick paramedic response, but ordinarily ICU units are not overwhelmed as that’s not the sort of treatment required for most users, until now?

 

[Captain Pants]

Don’t bite, he will bore you all night.

That’s a bit rude. Usually people find things boring if they don’t have the capacity and intellect to follow it.

 

[MattR]

How does Cornwall and all the other holiday destinations cope when they are flooded with holiday makers ?

In addition to what Captain Pants said, I guess that they would also have low expectations for providing much more than A&E for tourists (possibly a few extra ICU beds) but not enough for COVID-19 numbers.

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[Dan and Jan]

That’s a bit rude. Usually people find things boring if they don’t have the capacity and intellect to follow it.

I have lived most parts of the UK and find people who live in these small tourist places quite insular in their views, a bit like NIMBYs. They are incredibly jealous of incomers whether it’s to do with income or housing. From Calshot to Lossiemouth or The outer Hebrides to Norfolk I have seen them all. They want your money, but don’t dare stay here.

 

[Captain Pants]

I have lived most parts of the UK and find people who live in these small tourist places quite insular in their views, a bit like NIMBYs. They are incredibly jealous of incomers whether it’s to do with income or housing. From Calshot to Lossiemouth or The outer Hebrides to Norfolk I have seen them all. They want your money, but don’t dare stay here.

They have insular views? Some of us have lived in several big cities and travelled the world you know. Sounds like you might have spent quite a bit of time in military bubbles.

 

[Dan and Jan]

They have insular views? Some of us have lived in several big cities and travelled the world you know. Sounds like you might have spent quite a bit of time in military bubbles.

Yes you do. Not in my back yard.

 

[joka250]

They cope as best they can, but A&E and minor injuries waiting times get very lengthy, new patients are backed up in corridors waiting several hours for treatment, new admissions are held over for lengthy periods in ambulances because there is no space in A&E, consequently response times from ambulances become longer & longer for people dealing 999. Some patients are discharged too early or in the middle of the night in order to free up beds for new admissions. Major emergencies will obviously get priority treatment, but not necessarily a quick paramedic response, but ordinarily ICU units are not overwhelmed as that’s not the sort of treatment required for most users, until now?

Bit like Coventry, Leicester, Derby, Nottingham plus most other cities 52 weeks a year.

 

[Captain Pants]

Bit like Coventry, Leicester, Derby, Nottingham plus most other cities 52 weeks a year.

If you say so.

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