When the government and their experts consider it safe for all I also will be ready , I was just making the point that it isn’t one but many that will travel when allowed.
No Holidays abroad Allowed
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I have to agree, the decision to allow those "football wearing topped persons" on a flight to Ibiza in order to go clubbing, whilst unvaccinated is a recipe for something that is likely to inhibit travel for others.
My concern, is for motorhomers who think that September is the ideal time to go away abroad.
I think (and remember I could be wrong) that we may be in the same position with some countries that we were in for Belgium, Holland, France last year unless they start vaccinating in higher numbers quickly now.
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No when I started the thread I did it for Motorhome information not a political debate.Its a political decision that influenced the thread.
And what lies were those now youve brought it up? And any evidence to back it up?
If some one has as bad a memory as Sturgeon makes out she has then I'm afraid I can't believe everything she says as truth. But as I say i did not start the thread as a political debate. The Belly locker is the place for them.
Most young folk consider themselves invincible, I did when I was young
so the clubbers will never be careful. I like you really want out of this and I trust that those that so incredibly produced the vaccines we now have can give us all a variant adjusted for every autumn if required as it seems the only route to a kind of normality.
Been reading this thread with interest, and the opinions are many and varied, all of which have some merit
one thing i have picked up on which is quite common is the one where "travel abroad should not be allowed because of the possibility/probability of bringing back a new variant".
May i ask a question please, what if the virus mutates into a new variant here?
Not that i am wishing it of course, but viruses mutate all the time constantly, not just in other countries.
I am not wishing to be argumentative, nor shot down in flames, but, respectfully, thinking that it only mutates elsewhere is flawed.
one thing i have picked up on which is quite common is the one where "travel abroad should not be allowed because of the possibility/probability of bringing back a new variant".
May i ask a question please, what if the virus mutates into a new variant here?
Not that i am wishing it of course, but viruses mutate all the time constantly, not just in other countries.
I am not wishing to be argumentative, nor shot down in flames, but, respectfully, thinking that it only mutates elsewhere is flawed.
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The irony is theres a uk variant sweeping through Europe raising their figures. Ive not heard of a german, french greek variant yet.
Restricting people re entering the country is fair enough despite the methods not really working. But stopping people being able to leave is simply an abuse of power. If other countries are willing to let people in from uk they should be allowed to leave if they choose.
Still allowed to travel for business , selling property etc ...often excempt from the testing and quarantine on return ...like covid recognises a tourist
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Phew - am I supposed to believe that my life has been enriched by the information that I am not (apparently) a mindless nugget. All without the aid of psychological profiling - or even meeting me. That's some skill!
Much like the Queen - I am stuck with whoever gains the required amount of votes - but rely on my own knowledge, intelligence and advisers as to what decision I arrive at re this that or the other.
Before I was 20 (so 50-ish years ago) No Way Pedro could normal folk like my family colleagues and friends go on holidays beyond the confines of the UK and frequently opted for cheaper types of holiday (eg small tent in farmer's field) for the simple reason we could not afford anywhere more expensive. The occasional ice cream cornet and bottle of pop, fish and chips, half a pint & a lime & lemon ........ Wherever you go on holiday the main - or only - benefit - is that it is different to your home surroundings, so whatever it offers -just make the most of it and enjoy it!
Much like the Queen - I am stuck with whoever gains the required amount of votes - but rely on my own knowledge, intelligence and advisers as to what decision I arrive at re this that or the other.
Before I was 20 (so 50-ish years ago) No Way Pedro could normal folk like my family colleagues and friends go on holidays beyond the confines of the UK and frequently opted for cheaper types of holiday (eg small tent in farmer's field) for the simple reason we could not afford anywhere more expensive. The occasional ice cream cornet and bottle of pop, fish and chips, half a pint & a lime & lemon ........ Wherever you go on holiday the main - or only - benefit - is that it is different to your home surroundings, so whatever it offers -just make the most of it and enjoy it!
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Think means not 100% sure. You seem sure they will bring it back. I just wondered if you had information the rest of us don’t?
I'm afraid that we will have this virus with us for many decades. We have no hope of eradication it. That was the message from Whitty and Vallance today. The virus will continue to mutate and unless we hermetically seal our borders we will get them eventually. We will at some time have to learn to live with the virus or suffer economic collapse and increasing world disorder and war.
Will we be here this time next year with the same arguments? Quite possibly.
Will we be here this time next year with the same arguments? Quite possibly.
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Well you can keep lid on liberty for so long, however pressure is building and we will see the results despite new laws that were never required, there are more laws on statute then you can ever believe curtailing public assembly in various forms, none eventually enforceable.
We all have differing views , but one common thread is freedom of assembly, when this eroded for whatever reason, look out unrest and violence will follow, despite political beliefs of faiths.
We all have differing views , but one common thread is freedom of assembly, when this eroded for whatever reason, look out unrest and violence will follow, despite political beliefs of faiths.
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I just find it incredible that throughout this lockdown, and the last one that the government said "stay at home" and "no essential travel", fair enough, it's what needed to be done, and i have stuck to it religiously.,
It then begs the question that why were companies like B&Q for example allowed to remain open, isn't that just an invitation for bored people to get on with a bit of gardening or diy?, neither of which could be classed as essential really, it still involves travel?
It just seems that this type of non essential travel is ignored, just doesn't make sense.
If we are really serious about getting our house in order then shouldn't all travel that really is not essential be banned?
this lockdown does seem "half hearted".
It then begs the question that why were companies like B&Q for example allowed to remain open, isn't that just an invitation for bored people to get on with a bit of gardening or diy?, neither of which could be classed as essential really, it still involves travel?
It just seems that this type of non essential travel is ignored, just doesn't make sense.
If we are really serious about getting our house in order then shouldn't all travel that really is not essential be banned?
this lockdown does seem "half hearted".
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Spain lifts UK travel ban from next week:
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Spain lifts ban on UK arrivals from March 30
MADRID (Reuters) - The Spanish government said on Tuesday it was lifting a ban on travel from Britain, three months after suspending flights for all but a few exceptions over concerns about the British strain of the coronavirus. This does not neces...
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If people wish to lock theirselves away that is up to them but ultimately we will have to live with this.
To get the world moving forwards, after at risk and over 50s are vaccinated here, we should be proactive in ensuring distribution across the Continent and beyond. Johnson seems to be waking up to this a little over the last few days. It is pointless vaccinating 20 year olds here when the vulnerable elsewhere including our closest neighbours have not been vaccinated.
This is an international problem and requires an international solution. Scientists across the world have stepped up and worked cooperatively, now it is the time for politicians.
To get the world moving forwards, after at risk and over 50s are vaccinated here, we should be proactive in ensuring distribution across the Continent and beyond. Johnson seems to be waking up to this a little over the last few days. It is pointless vaccinating 20 year olds here when the vulnerable elsewhere including our closest neighbours have not been vaccinated.
This is an international problem and requires an international solution. Scientists across the world have stepped up and worked cooperatively, now it is the time for politicians.
I agree 100%. We did ours at the weekend. I guarantee we did not do it correctly as a medical professional would do .
if fact I’m sure many who have to perform this money making scam make no effort to do it correctly.
this is why this should be performed by an NHS professional and made free.
it is a scam and nothing about public health
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Not much use if we are banned from traveling abroad.Spain lifts UK travel ban from next week:
Spain lifts ban on UK arrivals from March 30
MADRID (Reuters) - The Spanish government said on Tuesday it was lifting a ban on travel from Britain, three months after suspending flights for all but a few exceptions over concerns about the British strain of the coronavirus. This does not neces...
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Spain's infection rate is close to ours, maybe 'travel corridors' will happen again.
We may at some time be allowed to leave, I suspect conditions for returning might put many off......
It is at least a step in the right direction
It’s my understanding that the greater the prevalence, the greater the risk of a mutation; that’s why it’s important to suppress it and why there’s a fear of a new Strain of Concern.
Our low levels of prevalence makes it less likely that a Strain of Concern will appear here.
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Being allowed to travel and being allowed to enter are different.
Our friend was returned from Spain on the same flight, not Allowed to enter to see her sick sister.
Yet Spain are allowing German tourists in (any EU tourists for that matter). Though Germany are considering stopping them leaving.
Spain to welcome German visitors over Easter break despite restrictions on national tourism
While the regions are under a perimetral lockdown in a bid to curve coronavirus contagions, the country remains open to European travelers, many of whom have already booked vacations in the Balearic Islands
But, it seems things may change
Spain to lift ban on travel from the UK
Passengers arriving by sea and air must show a negative PCR test; restrictions on flights from Brazil and South Africa will remain in place until mid-April
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Yes i agree entirely. I attempted to do it to the best of my ability but having now had three tests conducted by professionals and how unpleasant they are i knew before i did my own one i couldn't physically do that to myself....
I mean if you took the swab out tye packet and just touched your tongue with it and posted it back youve done what's legally required and who could prove otherwise.
Totally pointless
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Most of eu were letting other eu citizens in just not folk from the uk due to the uk variantBeing allowed to travel and being allowed to enter are different.
Our friend was returned from Spain on the same flight, not Allowed to enter to see her sick sister.
Yet Spain are allowing German tourists in (any EU tourists for that matter). Though Germany are considering stopping them leaving.
Spain to welcome German visitors over Easter break despite restrictions on national tourism
While the regions are under a perimetral lockdown in a bid to curve coronavirus contagions, the country remains open to European travelers, many of whom have already booked vacations in the Balearic Islandsenglish.elpais.com
But, it seems things may change
Spain to lift ban on travel from the UK
Passengers arriving by sea and air must show a negative PCR test; restrictions on flights from Brazil and South Africa will remain in place until mid-April
I was ok entering italy from greece as a uk citizen but not entering from the uk and it was the same for france.
Spain probably the same as the uk variant is what pushed up the figures in these countries just a few months ago
But the rest of Europe up till last week still allowed motorhome tourists over the borders without question and still are from what i can see .... Only crossing the channel i saw problems with.
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There's a very sobering article in the Times this morning looking at projections for this third wave - which was described as inevitable in the Downing Street briefing yesterday.
It's behind a pay wall but in summary it says the projections are if all restrictions were released after the over-50s have had their first jab the resultant death toll could be 100,000. Even the most gradual lifting of restrictions, waiting until the start of July, leads to 30,000 more deaths.
What I found sobering was the realisation that the vaccine does not prevent the disease on its own. It will but only when virtually everyone of all ages has had the jab and we aren't there yet which is why the lifting of restrictions is going slowly.
It's behind a pay wall but in summary it says the projections are if all restrictions were released after the over-50s have had their first jab the resultant death toll could be 100,000. Even the most gradual lifting of restrictions, waiting until the start of July, leads to 30,000 more deaths.
What I found sobering was the realisation that the vaccine does not prevent the disease on its own. It will but only when virtually everyone of all ages has had the jab and we aren't there yet which is why the lifting of restrictions is going slowly.
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Different strains effecting people in a different way, there just doesn't seem to be any rhyme or reason to this.
My wife works at the very sharp end of this, if you saw some of the C/T scans she reads people wouldn't be flirting with the danger that is lying dormant.
Chris dealt with two patients, twin brothers in their early 40's both hospitalised, one brother recovered and left hospital inside two weeks, the other brother after 6 months is still in a very poor state.
At the moment it's one step forward and two back, perhaps these people shouting about their civil liberties and human rights demanding to go on holiday to a country that is doing everything it can to stop us getting our vaccines haven't been touched by the virus yet, hopefully they never will for it will certainly change the outlook.
My wife works at the very sharp end of this, if you saw some of the C/T scans she reads people wouldn't be flirting with the danger that is lying dormant.
Chris dealt with two patients, twin brothers in their early 40's both hospitalised, one brother recovered and left hospital inside two weeks, the other brother after 6 months is still in a very poor state.
At the moment it's one step forward and two back, perhaps these people shouting about their civil liberties and human rights demanding to go on holiday to a country that is doing everything it can to stop us getting our vaccines haven't been touched by the virus yet, hopefully they never will for it will certainly change the outlook.
We have already seen what happens in recent weeks where outbreaks of the South African variant occurred , there was concentrated testing within the area and isolation where necessary resulting in the outbreaks being contained.
This successful method of control will of course be available to maintain control.
It is pointless
If foreign travel is supposedly so dangerous then why are we continuing to let so many people into the UK. At Calais and also when we came into Dover we were treated like prisoners, not UK Citizens. Checked 3 times on the UK border side in Calais and again when we landed in Dover. I have never once been previously stopped in Dover, even having travelled through there probably a hundred times. I witnessed 6 coaches of Romanian and Moldovan nationals be passed straight through the border and put straight onto the ferry and passed straight off at the Dover end. They were most likely travelling under a worker exception exclusion but it just seems completely unfair. For those of you who thing vaccines are the answer, how many of these travellers do you think will be vaccinated? It just just plain unfair. So if our authoritarian government wants to ban and stop foreign travel then just completely shut entry and exit to the UK with no exceptions. You cannot have it both ways and punish good hard working British families and citizens
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Yep totally ...i saw the same thing at calais for the tunnel.
And ive had calls texts and emails from NHS, .gov etc since i got back . Some of them quite threatening to be honest.
The first phone call came up on my phone as suspect spam so i didn't answer it ...within 2 minutes i had a text then an email telling me if i did not call the number immediately that my details would be passed on to police Scotland for a follow up visit.
And when i did call back it was just so someone could tell me how to self isolate ....like you need instructions.
Thats despite having 3 tests before being able to get back to the uk
Meanwhile the trucks and vans are coming and going with no requirement to test etc ...and whilst all might not be irresponsible i can state from first hand that many many are.
I wish i had taken photos to be honest and sent to the press
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I also still say that overall this is pretty good odds considering many of those deaths stated were not from covid but simply because they had a positive test within 28 days of dying ...whether it was a fall down the stairs or chronic pneumonia.
Over 100 million recovered and less than 3 million related deaths . It shows clearly that the vast majority survive.
Thats nature at its best
Over 100 million recovered and less than 3 million related deaths .
It shows clearly that the vast majority survive. Thats nature at its best
I also still say that overall this is pretty good odds considering many of those deaths stated were not from covid but simply because they had a positive test within 28 days of dying ...whether it was a fall down the stairs or chronic pneumonia. View attachment 476516
Over 100 million recovered and less than 3 million related deaths .
Thats nature at its best
A very poor article. Habe you looked at some of the comments?There's a very sobering article in the Times this morning looking at projections for this third wave - which was described as inevitable in the Downing Street briefing yesterday.
It's behind a pay wall but in summary it says the projections are if all restrictions were released after the over-50s have had their first jab the resultant death toll could be 100,000. Even the most gradual lifting of restrictions, waiting until the start of July, leads to 30,000 more deaths.
What I found sobering was the realisation that the vaccine does not prevent the disease on its own. It will but only when virtually everyone of all ages has had the jab and we aren't there yet which is why the lifting of restrictions is going slowly.
What is the definition of “recovered” ?
I suggest there are a lot of people with “Long Covid” that would argue that they have not recovered...
I suggest there are a lot of people with “Long Covid” that would argue that they have not recovered...
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