No Holidays abroad Allowed

See Post 182, they talked about spanish flu and said that traces of it could still be found today, they thought that genetic changes made it much less virulent and largely died away.
Food for thought perhaps.
I know it mutated and stopped killing people..Somehow it realised that dead people do not spread it like alive people do .Weird for something without a brain.We have much to learn.BUSBY.
 
Whilst i do believe that this virus is real and contributes to a higher death rate, and i have had a serious dose of it, I cannot believe that a third wave can be forecast with total certainty, unless the gov. etc know something that is not being made public.
I do however believe that this virus is not a totally natural virus, the Chinese were openly doing "research" into bats and Coronaviruses, and somehow something "escaped" from Wuhan, The way to fight and conquer this virus lies with the Chinese being held to account and to be totally honest about the research in Wuhan, and other establishments and to assist in eradicating this creation..
That is my humble opinion and i have now had a full year pondering and looking at developments,
And still nowhere near fully recovered.
 
but what about everyone else that is allowed to travel for their holiday ,
You answered your own question
"I" & "Me" . That doesn't include "you" or anyone else (y)
I see a differential of 1.5 million applications and 700,000 leaving potentially increasing our population by 800,000 to 68.8 million
Nowhere near 80 million

A misread of 800,000 to 80,000,000 ?
They are 2 different things.
If by your reasoning the discrepancy of 1,5 million ,which is the minimum & is 50% That alone on such an easily managed number of eu migrants is unbelievable.
If you extrapolate 50% to the 68 million that makes 102 million?
The general concesus is that the gov.uk figure of 68 million iabitants is wildly under estimated ,possibly due to them realising that if the general ublic realsied what the actual figure is there would be riots.

Even there own national insurance departments state that what figures the government give out do not correspond in any way even to the additional amount of NI numbers they have been giving out just to EU citizens over the years.
68 might be the 'official' figure but most believe that 80 is nearer the mark with illegals & unregistered citizens.
Spain lifts UK travel ban from next week:

Unfortunately there is one huge glaring omission that they haven't remembered.
Yes travel is opened up & you are welcome. But when you fly in to Alicante say, you cannot go anywhere else? :rofl:
You still cannot exit the province you arrive in ( leaving out road travel in your own vehicle)
So if you say book a holiday in La Manga, which is in the Murcia region, & fly in to Alicante which is its own province but part of the Valencia region you cannot hire a car & legally travel there. or can you be transported by a pick up coach or train /bus, as the regional laws all have the borders closed.
But, it seems things may change
Only if the regions lift there restrictions.
Some of them quite threatening to be honest.
You need to be like me & be far more offensive than they are.

Unfortunately it very much sounds like a third wave hitting these shores after the Easter
4th . unless we aren't counting the small first wave?
I know it mutated and stopped killing people..Somehow it realised that dead people do not spread it like alive people do .Weird for something without a brain.We have much to learn.BUSBY.
By the summer of 1919, the flu pandemic came to an end, as those that were infected either died or developed immunity.
 
True, but then that same rationale could be used for stopping domestic travel, which we aren't.
Partly true in that lockdowns prohibits leisure travel with stay home messages as long as infections remain low we will be able to go out to play in limited ways. Why risk another lockdown by letting everyone troll of to foreign destinations that have a higher level of transmission and infection. Personally i would rather be restricted to holidays in this country for say this year rather than expend the risk of another lockdown.
 
Partly true in that lockdowns prohibits leisure travel with stay home messages as long as infections remain low we will be able to go out to play in limited ways. Why risk another lockdown by letting everyone troll of to foreign destinations that have a higher level of transmission and infection. Personally i would rather be restricted to holidays in this country for say this year rather than expend the risk of another lockdown.
Do you think it will be "safe" to travel in 2022?

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The general concesus is that the gov.uk figure of 68 million iabitants is wildly under estimated ,possibly due to them realising that if the general ublic realsied what the actual figure is there would be riots.
Is there any link you can point me in the direction of as I cant find anything via google to clarify this.

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The difference between the concensus and the recent survey on 21st March, census, is a con. Is this a clue ? :unsure:
 
Whilst i do believe that this virus is real and contributes to a higher death rate, and i have had a serious dose of it, I cannot believe that a third wave can be forecast with total certainty, unless the gov. etc know something that is not being made public.
I do however believe that this virus is not a totally natural virus, the Chinese were openly doing "research" into bats and Coronaviruses, and somehow something "escaped" from Wuhan, The way to fight and conquer this virus lies with the Chinese being held to account and to be totally honest about the research in Wuhan, and other establishments and to assist in eradicating this creation..
That is my humble opinion and i have now had a full year pondering and looking at developments,
And still nowhere near fully recovered.
I fully respect your view, which my wife shares also.
 
Is there any link you can point me in the direction of as I cant find anything via google to clarify this.

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The difference between the concensus and the recent survey on 21st March, census, is a con. Is this a clue ? :unsure:
I had quite a few last night but never kept them. i will see later if I can find them again.
talking about census , I cannot ever recall filling one in when we lived in the UK?
 
You answered your own question
"I" & "Me" . That doesn't include "you" or anyone else (y)

They are 2 different things.
If by your reasoning the discrepancy of 1,5 million ,which is the minimum & is 50% That alone on such an easily managed number of eu migrants is unbelievable.
If you extrapolate 50% to the 68 million that makes 102 million?
The general concesus is that the gov.uk figure of 68 million iabitants is wildly under estimated ,possibly due to them realising that if the general ublic realsied what the actual figure is there would be riots.

Even there own national insurance departments state that what figures the government give out do not correspond in any way even to the additional amount of NI numbers they have been giving out just to EU citizens over the years.
68 might be the 'official' figure but most believe that 80 is nearer the mark with illegals & unregistered citizens.

Unfortunately there is one huge glaring omission that they haven't remembered.
Yes travel is opened up & you are welcome. But when you fly in to Alicante say, you cannot go anywhere else? :rofl:
You still cannot exit the province you arrive in ( leaving out road travel in your own vehicle)
So if you say book a holiday in La Manga, which is in the Murcia region, & fly in to Alicante which is its own province but part of the Valencia region you cannot hire a car & legally travel there. or can you be transported by a pick up coach or train /bus, as the regional laws all have the borders closed.

Only if the regions lift there restrictions.

You need to be like me & be far more offensive than they are.


4th . unless we aren't counting the small first wave?

By the summer of 1919, the flu pandemic came to an end, as those that were infected either died or developed immunity.
You answered your own question
"I" & "Me" . That doesn't include "you" or anyone else (y)


The very point I was making , that it wasn’t just one motorhomer who felt he would be perfectly safe and not bring any variant back , if one can go all can go by ferry by air etc and suddenly multiple transmission could occur.

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Whilst i do believe that this virus is real and contributes to a higher death rate, and i have had a serious dose of it, I cannot believe that a third wave can be forecast with total certainty, unless the gov. etc know something that is not being made public.
I do however believe that this virus is not a totally natural virus, the Chinese were openly doing "research" into bats and Coronaviruses, and somehow something "escaped" from Wuhan, The way to fight and conquer this virus lies with the Chinese being held to account and to be totally honest about the research in Wuhan, and other establishments and to assist in eradicating this creation..
That is my humble opinion and i have now had a full year pondering and looking at developments,
And still nowhere near fully recovered.
I agree Joe , the WHO went in recently looking for evidence after almost a year had passed , who are WHO and the Chinese kidding , any link would be gone which is probably the reason the Chinese stalled for that long.:swear2:
 
I wonder whether genetics is a big factor? We know that BAME suffer more symptoms.
But many live in multi generational accomodation something that doesnt happen now in anglo/saxon households...BUSBY.
 
The economy is a construct it’s not a ‘real’ thing by locking down and applying safety measures lives will have been saved it’s bad enough that so many have died which could have been avoided. Yes lockdowns do work in helping to reduce infection and death. Some companies have benefitted such as B&Q and the building trade has been very busy and other sectors have suffered but rather that than loosing loved ones.
Deaths could have been avoided if people had Social distanced and washed their hands more etc.The government cannot spread the virus only careless people..Stood outside our local Coop yesterday whilst the better half was shopping..Cash machine outside,,No one wiped the keyboard or their hands whilst using it,,Counted eight people walk into the shop without washing their hands,,,What chance do we stand when people are so stupid,,BUSBY.
 
Deaths could have been avoided if people had Social distanced and washed their hands more etc.The government cannot spread the virus only careless people..Stood outside our local Coop yesterday whilst the better half was shopping..Cash machine outside,,No one wiped the keyboard or their hands whilst using it,,Counted eight people walk into the shop without washing their hands,,,What chance do we stand when people are so stupid,,BUSBY.
'Never argue with a stupid person. They have much more experience of stupidity than you do, and they will beat you every time' ... (y) :eek:

Steve
 
You answered your own question
"I" & "Me" . That doesn't include "you" or anyone else (y)

They are 2 different things.
If by your reasoning the discrepancy of 1,5 million ,which is the minimum & is 50% That alone on such an easily managed number of eu migrants is unbelievable.
If you extrapolate 50% to the 68 million that makes 102 million?
The general concesus is that the gov.uk figure of 68 million iabitants is wildly under estimated ,possibly due to them realising that if the general ublic realsied what the actual figure is there would be riots.

Even there own national insurance departments state that what figures the government give out do not correspond in any way even to the additional amount of NI numbers they have been giving out just to EU citizens over the years.
68 might be the 'official' figure but most believe that 80 is nearer the mark with illegals & unregistered citizens.

Unfortunately there is one huge glaring omission that they haven't remembered.
Yes travel is opened up & you are welcome. But when you fly in to Alicante say, you cannot go anywhere else? :rofl:
You still cannot exit the province you arrive in ( leaving out road travel in your own vehicle)
So if you say book a holiday in La Manga, which is in the Murcia region, & fly in to Alicante which is its own province but part of the Valencia region you cannot hire a car & legally travel there. or can you be transported by a pick up coach or train /bus, as the regional laws all have the borders closed.

Only if the regions lift there restrictions.

You need to be like me & be far more offensive than they are.


4th . unless we aren't counting the small first wave?

By the summer of 1919, the flu pandemic came to an end, as those that were infected either died or developed immunity.

As far as I am aware. Alicante is couminidad de Valencia/ So fly to Alicante allows travel to Javea/Denia?

My Wife is thinking of flying out on the 3rd April. We need to arrange legal documents to be signed and physical bank visit.
 
Deaths could have been avoided if people had Social distanced and washed their hands more etc.The government cannot spread the virus only careless people..Stood outside our local Coop yesterday whilst the better half was shopping..Cash machine outside,,No one wiped the keyboard or their hands whilst using it,,Counted eight people walk into the shop without washing their hands,,,What chance do we stand when people are so stupid,,BUSBY.

But it has been proved that any transmission by touch is pretty rare, main transmission is indoor air-borne droplets.
 
All I can say is “Humbug”.

I still think the government missed a massive opportunity back last March when they should of shut the U.K. down lock, stock and barrel.

To late when the COVID infected horse has bolted, now it’s every mans job to clean up the horses shit.

Shame because we would of been more in control now as an island but money, palms and back handers came into play.
 
All I can say is “Humbug”.

I still think the government missed a massive opportunity back last March when they should of shut the U.K. down lock, stock and barrel.

To late when the COVID infected horse has bolted, now it’s every mans job to clean up the horses shit.

Shame because we would of been more in control now as an island but money, palms and back handers came into play.
And enforced the lockdown rules instead of letting beach goers, protestors and other individuals do as they pleased,

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And enforced the lockdown rules instead of letting beach goers, protestors and other individuals do as they pleased,
Trouble us they are damned if they do and damned if they don't..Reading on here it's split both ways.Some would be in favour of full lockdown,others oppose any regulations.Glad it's not my job.BUSBY.
 
Trouble us they are damned if they do and damned if they don't..Reading on here it's split both ways.Some would be in favour of full lockdown,others oppose any regulations.Glad it's not my job.BUSBY.
Agree, wouldn't want the job, but the majority of those who got off their asses voted them in, so we should at least follow the guidance they suggest!!
 
Dammed no just stick to the rules job done but people will always fight the system.
 
Agree, wouldn't want the job, but the majority of those who got off their asses voted them in, so we should at least follow the guidance they suggest!!
Er, no - they got 43.6% of votes cast in GE 2019, on a 67.3% turnout. They won a majority of seats, not the same thing.

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