No Holidays abroad Allowed

[TerryL]

Seems a lot of folks on here are very pro lockdown and harsh restrictions. Maybe because a lot of the demographics on are in a position to do so.

For many of us who need to travel abroad, for legal reasons are not allowed to.

Some folks who risk their lives daily by going to work. Can’t stay at home.

Soft communism I feel.

But Some dare not speak out against restrictions

My reading of the proposed new regs would indicate that this is not correct.

 

[The Wino]

I was talking to a friend recently. He knows someone who used the fact they run a coffee shop as an excuse last year visit Mexico. Now it could be a tall story but I think a 5k fine if found to be wangling a holiday could well deter a few. It will need a couple of well pulicised fines giving out first. I would also relate the fine to net worth there are probably still quite a few private jets going all over the place and spending 5k could be small change.

 

[The Wino]

I respect your views and opinions completely, however I don't know where you get your information from, probably the BBC scaremongering news service.

We have friends in Spain that are Spanish, the husband's sister is a Doctor. She has said that at her surgery in Nerja she has plenty of supplies of the AZ Vaccine but trying to get the Spanish to come forward is another matter.

As for lockdown 'What Lockdown' they say life is almost as normal with the only restrictions on the numbers allowed in Bars and they must shut by 10.30 pm, no big deal really.

As for COVID raging out of control they ask where because it's not like that around them.

What they need is tourists as the towns are empty other than the Spanish and Ex Pat residents.

Don't you think the low cases could well be due to the empty towns!. Low vaccination plus loads of tourists plus loads of local seasonal workers sounds like a good way to spread the virus.

 

[Sapper520]

We might as well give all our vaccines to Europe then and give up if there is any truth in that.
The people who have been double jabbed have the same level of protection as someone who has had any
Seriously ?

But Sue, doesn’t matter if we’ve had one or two jabs, it doesn’t stop us passing on the virus to others.

Therefore, most if not everyone needs some protection........with the EU lagging far behind,
We need to give them time to catch up surely?

 

[suavecarve]

doesn’t matter if we’ve had one or two jabs, it doesn’t stop us passing on the virus to others.

Theres quite an amount of evidence that suggests you are 54% wrong if you have been double jabbed

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[Sapper520]

Sorry, not sure what you mean by 54% wrong.

If it’s to do with percentage of possibilities I’ve never been a gambler.

 

[kevenh]

That is rediculous. Why not simply forbid all passenger travel and have done with it.
A fine is only appropriate to those getting caught, not those slipping under the radar.
Business's etc can conduct business via Internet video calling services, they don't HAVE to sit round a conference table.

Quite a simplistic view of why people travel for business.
Some routinely commute between the UK & EU for work. Most but not all could switch to WFH
Me, I don't need Vice President approval to travel to sit around in a meeting.
I need to visit a broadcast media data centre to finalise & approve the world wide available media streams for a sporting event.
Remotely a lot can be done but a pita if there's troubleshooting to do or even a few simple servers to rebuild from scratch.
Lots of people are employed in hands on engineering tasks - not just computers.

 

[suavecarve]

Sorry, not sure what you mean by 54% wrong.

If it’s to do with percentage of possibilities I’ve never been a gambler.

A study of 30,000 highly likely people to pass on the virus (front line health workers) after having been double jabbed stated that it is 54% proficient in not being able to pass it on.
It is yet to be peer reviewed .

The 54% was for double jabbed persons a week or a fortnight after their second jab (cant remember) and was stated as "this is the minimum figure" or words to that effect.

Not quite a fact yet, as they have not had the time to confirm the trial.

 

[Carol]

spitfire this isn't about politics it's on a Motorhome Forum and relating to our travel whether we can /can't travel abroad and if we feel it's safe and if we want to.

 

[Sapper520]

A study of 30,000 highly likely people to pass on the virus (front line health workers) after having been double jabbed stated that it is 54% proficient in not being able to pass it on.
It is yet to be peer reviewed .

The 54% was for double jabbed persons a week or a fortnight after their second jab (cant remember) and was stated as "this is the minimum figure" or words to that effect.

Not quite a fact yet, as they have not had the time to confirm the trial.

So 46% possibility then? Too much of a gamble for me.

If I was going out for a walk and was deciding whether or not to take a brolly, I’d risk it.

Russian Roulette with 2 (?) of the chamber’s loaded.......I think not.

We’re not dealing with the weather, we’re dealing with live rounds.

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[ADJF]

All the time, money and effort put in to the vaccine. Not to mention the relentless media campaign telling us how many people are jabbed means we haven't really hedged our bets. We've stuck everything on vaccination so quite rightly need to do everything we can to protect it.

We can't afford to let a mutation flare up in the country that the vax is ineffective against.

but that statement is also like saying stay at home forever just incase there is a virus be it covid or some other yet to be discovered virus that comes from an animal/plant/out of a cave/tree/human that becomes transmissible . You cannot live like that forever.

Yep there will always be some Brits who feel the rules don’t apply to them and will look for a loophole to circumvent any restrictions.

Yes - count me in as a flouter looking for a loophole. Anything I can do to get away I will purposely exploit it as I'm not having a dictatorship government telling me what I can and cannot do and I believe in human rights and civil liberties.

 

[34127]

Yes - count me in as a flouter looking for a loophole. Anything I can do to get away I will purposely exploit it as I'm not having a dictatorship government telling me what I can and cannot do and I believe in human rights and civil liberties.

I believe in human rights as well and the right to be protected from idiots flouting the law and spreading covid.

 

[gus-lopez]

and it is only temporary

That is how it always starts. So was quarantine.

With a 3rd wave in Europe,

Been & gone. That was the wave from after christmas until end of febrary /march . If it goes up again here that will be the 4th wave.
https://english.elpais.com/society/...-first-time-since-end-of-january.html?rel=mas

2nd paragraph 2nd line . 3rd wave peaked on January 27th

Patience Grasshoppers
We have yet to see the effect - if any - of the schools reopening.
Let alone any of the other easing of restrictions
Yes, thankfully, the figures are falling - but that's as a result of lockdown from a month ago.

They've been open here for 6 months as I have said before without any real problems. Same as everything else is open apart from restrictions on bars, restaurants & hotels. Everything else as normal ?

any way the rules will be reviewed regularly .

Yes but rarely changed.

Like lots of people we are taking notice and have been following the rules .

& well done. But you only have to read on many threads here that many are continuing to shop as though all is allowed. " Just popped to b&Q/screwfix/etc, " as though it is allowed.

Forcing British vaccinated people not with unvaccinated abroad

Is there a difference at home then?

Exercise scam?

Yes. Allowing people to "exercise" who have never exercised/cycled/walked dogs ,etc in the last 40 years.My nephew ,who has always worked from home, & who usually has around a dozen people walk past per day now keeps the curtains shut as it is so distracting the 00's constantly going past every day.

The EU tourists who might come here might be of the unvaccinated variety.

What's the difference to the "unvaccinated UK " ones?

I wonder how long before we see some travellers start and finish their European tour in Ireland route planner sorted - Holyhead -Dublin -Cherbourg-Benidorm-Roscoff- Cork- Larne- Stranraer

Because it is specified exactly in the new law that it is illegal.

Truly astounding how some people like to bend the rules

No, amazing how they cannot cover all eventualities when they are being paid good money to introduce laws free of loop holes?

I’ve copied some of the comments on here and sent them to my family living in Europe, and asked their thoughts........

First reply.......’Are people mad, can’t they see what’s happening over here’?

2nd from my Daughter-in-Law.....’Wish we were back at home, it’s going in the wrong direction here, and people want to travel over here’?

Sorry, no supporters for travel. Not a scientific way to find out information, but there you go.

Where do they live as it certainly isn't the situation here?

We have friends in Spain that are Spanish, the husband's sister is a Doctor. She has said that at her surgery in Nerja she has plenty of supplies of the AZ Vaccine but trying to get the Spanish to come forward is another matter.

Ask her to give me a ring .We'll pop down for some.

As for lockdown 'What Lockdown' they say life is almost as normal with the only restrictions on the numbers allowed in Bars and they must shut by 10.30 pm, no big deal really.

Exactly! it more or less is normal & has been for 6 months.

As for COVID raging out of control they ask where because it's not like that around them.

Nor here. & without the 'benefit' of any vaccine so far.

plus loads of local seasonal workers sounds

They don't import them.They'd already live there & would be in circulation every day at the moment. So no more likely to be infected than they are now.

** I must admit when I saw it first thing this morning my first thought was how old Boris's Dad was going to get around it. On my return I saw that they had allowed the "2nd home openeing up" loop hole & it is already being called the " Stanley Johnson"

 

[robnchris]

Complete infringement on civil liberties and human rights, what a load of cobblers, the worst law ever passed I would ban it first thing in the morning, Human rights has only ever been used by all the people that should forfeit the right to walk freely amongst us, the list is endless of it's abuse.

Just because you might have had the vaccine the places you want to visit haven't, think just for a minute this pandemic is world wide and it doesn't care if you have a holiday or not.

 

[ADJF]

As for going abroad most countries will require PCR tests to enter and to return home test before departure 10 days quarantine and tests day 2 and 8. I can't see that requirement ending any time soon.

Having just returned from Europe we had track on the telephone today. The lady was telling us to get our day 8 test sent in early - ideally on day 7, as the government are about to change the ruling again and you will not be "released" until you get the results of your 8 test result come back as a negative. She was telling us of examples of the day 8 test not being returned till day 12 or more, especially if your day 8 falls at a weekend and you have to rely upon Royal Mail to send your test swabs back with.

"Release" that is what they tell prisoners. This type of language is just plain wrong in a democratic society

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[Sapper520]

I believe in human rights as well and the right to be protected from idiots flouting the law and spreading covid.

Laws are written to protect the interests of the many, against the actions of the few.

 

[34127]

Laws are written to protect the interests of the many, against the actions of the few.

Did you not mean to say 'against the action of selfish idiots'

 

[monzer]

but that statement is also like saying stay at home forever just incase there is a virus be it covid or some other yet to be discovered virus that comes from an animal/plant/out of a cave/tree/human that becomes transmissible . You cannot live like that forever.

 

[Sapper520]

Did you not mean to say 'against the action of selfish idiots'

The two replies I put earlier in this thread from my family abroad were the only two I could quote on here........otherwise I think I would have been kicked out!

Think you can imagine the language they used.

 

[suavecarve]

So 46% possibility then? Too much of a gamble for me.

If I was going out for a walk and was deciding whether or not to take a brolly, I’d risk it.

Russian Roulette with 2 (?) of the chamber’s loaded.......I think not.

We’re not dealing with the weather, we’re dealing with live rounds.

If thats how you look at it, I look at it a different way.

You take hard cover.

You have significantly more chance of dieing of Flu at the moment than from CV in this country.

If CV were to miraculously disappear, and even with jabs, next year, would you be taking hard cover for the flu ? Did you take hard cover last year ?

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[Carol]

It is about whether you can travel as some members have second homes in Europe and if these criteria fit them then they may travel .

Yes agree that's why I wondered if it was necessary to bring politics into it and yes some of our members do have holiday homes abroad and the information is useful and helpful.

 

[gus-lopez]

as the government are about to change the ruling again

I'd have told her the 2and words "off".
Neg test to get in, in 10dayquarantine ,day 2 negative test,day 8 test where to are you going to catch it ?
Yo might also take the "early release"day 5 test for which You pay yet again if you are completely stupid but you still have to take the day 8. Just a money making exercise as far as I am concerned.

 

[suavecarve]

Laws are written to protect the interests of the many, against the actions of the few.

Would that be the Human Rights Act ?

 

[bigtwin]

I'm not having a dictatorship government telling me what I can and cannot do and I believe in human rights and civil liberties.

Do you believe in the human rights of others not to be impinged on by those who don’t understand human rights?

Ian

 

[Rob Hammond]

Because it might happen as it is PM's father !

I’d be more concerned what macron is not doing than what a old man is

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[Jonny1953]

They've been open here for 6 months as I have said before without any real problems. Same as everything else is open apart from restrictions on bars, restaurants & hotels. Everything else as normal ?

Catalan - 10pm til 06am curfew, land borders closed so can't drive in from France to Spain - are these "normal"

 

[The Wino]

but that statement is also like saying stay at home forever just incase there is a virus be it covid or some other yet to be discovered virus that comes from an animal/plant/out of a cave/tree/human that becomes transmissible . You cannot live like that forever.

Yes - count me in as a flouter looking for a loophole. Anything I can do to get away I will purposely exploit it as I'm not having a dictatorship government telling me what I can and cannot do and I believe in human rights and civil liberties.

It would be a really tough decision for any human rights court. On the one hand measures to reduce the spread of a virus that so far has killed 120,000 with on an optimistic estimate another 30,000 to come on the other hand someone wanting a holiday. I bet they'd debate it for ages!

 

[Sapper520]

If thats how you look at it, I look at it a different way.

You take hard cover.

You have significantly more chance of dieing of Flu at the moment than from CV in this country.

If CV were to miraculously disappear, and even with jabs, next year, would you be taking hard cover for the flu ? Did you take hard cover last year ?

And that’s where you‘ve got me coming from the wrong direction.

I’m not thinking about my safety, I’m thinking about others I may inadvertently infect. I never said for myself, I’m concerned for others.......particularly my unvaccinated family members.

Sorry if I didn’t make that clear.

Therefore, risking accidentally firing a live round into a crowd and hoping I miss just doesn’t work for me.

 

[Sapper520]

Would that be the Human Rights Act ?

I can think of others as well.

 

[ADJF]

I'd have told her the 2and words "off".
Neg test to get in, in 10dayquarantine ,day 2 negative test,day 8 test where to are you going to catch it ?
Yo might also take the "early release"day 5 test for which You pay yet again if you are completely stupid but you still have to take the day 8. Just a money making exercise as far as I am concerned.

My opinion as well. it is nothing more than a money making exercise. If this was such a public health crisis then you should get this via the NHS.

I’ve been out during the 10 day quarantine period. Had to visit the post office to post off our day 2 quarantine Covid tests. And before anyone jumps on me and tells me how irresponsible that is.... it is perfectly legal and a legal requirement. You can even travel to your chosen private testing providers lab to have your test performed in person .... what’s the point in that if you go via public transport....again all perfectly legal. I see no point to these tests

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