More grief about motorhomes

[Mick Kennedy]

Why not send them comment suggesting they develop facilities rather than moaning about it ... I just did ...link to their contract page here, really easy to do ...

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Good idea! I just did. I don't know why all these councils aren't putting in proper RV car parks - they'd make a fortune and keep us happy, too. Win-win.

 

[nicholsong]

Needs the Trespass law changing in UK from a Civil offence to a Criminal one..BUSBY.

Careful. Do you want teenage scrumpers to be 'criminals'?

 

[busby]

Careful. Do you want teenage scrumpers to be 'criminals'?

Thought they were now..Easy bit of policing..BUSBY.

 

[Trev45]

Good idea! I just did. I don't know why all these councils aren't putting in proper RV car parks - they'd make a fortune and keep us happy, too. Win-win.

How much would you suggest Councils charge for these proper RV parking spaces in order to make their fortune ?

 

[Ian Bosman]

Here we go again another holy than thou must use a camp site brigade.
Some of us just don't like camp sites, we would much rather be in a nice wild spot or on an Aire, much more relaxing.
Even if you are going to to use site in the UK most require pre-booking which defeats the object of traveling in a Motorhome, we never know where we are going to be the next day never mind next week.

We use a mixture of campsites with swimming pools and aires when we are going from one major stopping point. Yes, we do take lots of food but there is only so much we can carry so do shopping as well in the local Aldi, Lidl, hypermarkets. etc. While looks at the tourist spots we do go into shops and buy now and again. The major camping and motor-homing clubs need to be on to this as well but to dump rubbish is unforgivable in anyone's book, in my opinion. Depositing human waste is downright wrong as it shows a lack of planning for the toilet waste tank becoming full. So there is a need for a change of attitude on the side of the local authorities to stop moaning and plan for all forms of tourism not just ensure that shops, hotels and restaurants are around but places where people feel they re not being ripped off with expensive car parks.

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[buttons]

I’ve had no trouble booking sites so it could be there are many that want to wild camp , trouble is the services are limited.

There are many who are not willing to pay the going rate for using their motorhome, they put this burden on local tax payers to subsidies their travel. Problem with some, they spend all that cash on buying this home on wheels but give no thought or consideration to the cost of using it. Using your motorhome has expenditure other than putting fuel in the tank.

 

[Coolcats]

Good idea! I just did. I don't know why all these councils aren't putting in proper RV car parks - they'd make a fortune and keep us happy, too. Win-win.

Councils are not necessarily in charge of their car parks and the do not wish to be which is why many are built on for Flats (its the modern scourge or they simply out source cut costs, sell assets and make money. Many Councils have a 'Cabinet' who have their own ideas and it is very difficult to change the shape on how they think.

 

[TheTwoOfUs]

I don't see why motorhomers should expect someone else to provide facilities for their chosen past time. Why should councils provide those facilities just in case you decide to honour them with your presence. Should I as a motorcyclist expect them to provide me with a safe storage facility where I could leave my riding gear while I wander round their town? Should cyclists expect a safe area to leave their bikes? Should tuggers have areas set aside so that they can park up. You all seem to think that you are special, deserving of special facilities provided for at someone else's expense. I know this won't be a popular view but many councils don't see you as the source of generating funds for their infrastructure, in fact just the opposite, you are seen as a drain on their resources. I've seen mention on here of having 6 spaces for o/night parking with "just" water and waste emptying for the princely sum of £5/night. That's £30/night or £210/week. How far do you think that will go towards providing and maintaining that site and how do you see the council justifying it to the local rates payers? Get real.

 

[Nanniemate]

How much would you suggest Councils charge for these proper RV parking spaces in order to make their fortune ?

However much someone will moan about it

 

[Barclaybasher]

Anyone wanting to use sites between September and March apart from Southern Spain, Portugal or Morocco - good luck with that.....

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[Larrynwin]

There are many who are not willing to pay the going rate for using their motorhome, they put this burden on local tax payers to subsidies their travel. Problem with some, they spend all that cash on buying this home on wheels but give no thought or consideration to the cost of using it. Using your motorhome has expenditure other than putting fuel in the tank.

We almost always use sites especially CLs and planned for site costs when buying our mhomes. Something for nothing is rare as there is always a cost somewhere.

 

[Rapido925M]

I don't see why motorhomers should expect someone else to provide facilities for their chosen past time. Why should councils provide those facilities just in case you decide to honour them with your presence. Should I as a motorcyclist expect them to provide me with a safe storage facility where I could leave my riding gear while I wander round their town? Should cyclists expect a safe area to leave their bikes? Should tuggers have areas set aside so that they can park up. You all seem to think that you are special, deserving of special facilities provided for at someone else's expense. I know this won't be a popular view but many councils don't see you as the source of generating funds for their infrastructure, in fact just the opposite, you are seen as a drain on their resources. I've seen mention on here of having 6 spaces for o/night parking with "just" water and waste emptying for the princely sum of £5/night. That's £30/night or £210/week. How far do you think that will go towards providing and maintaining that site and how do you see the council justifying it to the local rates payers? Get real.

As has been pointed out, the cost of allowing MHs to use otherwise empty carparks overnight is approximately ZERO!

Perhaps some paint, perhaps in a different colour, MIGHT help to clearly indicate where this activity could occur.
Perhaps a parking meter MIGHT need to be installed or the charging regime altered BUT local tax payers could be told annually how much was collected and how much it cost [they might decide it would be better if it was "free"!].
Plenty of places rely on "honesty" boxes or "voluntary contributions": cost virtually zero, profit virtually 100% of whatever folk give.

Concern: perhaps undesirables will occupy these carparks? What prevents this happening now?
Concern: waste may be left behind: provide large bins and empty them (cost?)! Our local carpark, just off the town centre, is often littered with kebab wrappers, pizza boxes and drinks containers: would parked MHs create even more? Unlikely!
Concern: MHs might dump human waste. Is that really likely? Would half-a-dozen uneducated MHers produce vastly more than the few inebriated anti-socials who can't make it as far as their own home?

So apart from providing water and black waste services the cost is virtually zero, the concerns about problems which may accrue to the council are really irrelevant and the benefit to the locality is immeasurable (but most of us are likely to spend money in the shops).
IF water and waste is not provided plenty of us would still use the cheap parking facility.

Win, win - Gordon

 

[Pekepal]

Concern: perhaps undesirables will occupy these carparks? What prevents this happening now?
Concern: waste may be left behind: provide large bins and empty them (cost?)! Our local carpark, just off the town centre, is often littered with kebab wrappers, pizza boxes and drinks containers: would parked MHs create even more? Unlikely!
Concern: MHs might dump human waste. Is that really likely? Would half-a-dozen uneducated MHers produce vastly more than the few inebriated anti-socials who can't make it as far as their own home?

So just allow this sort of behaviour to thrive and encourage rather than solve a problem. Would you really want to spend time in such an area? Didn’t pay thousands of pounds for a MH to holiday with the down and outs! If you can afford one of these vehicles you can afford to pay for site fees. If you need to be right in a town centre a motorhome is not the ideal mode of transport.

 

[Skez]

If you can afford one of these vehicles you can afford to pay for site fees.

I can afford my van. I can also afford to pay site fees.

You may prefer to be on sites with all facilities.

I prefer not to be on sites.

And that is why I enjoy motorhoming so much.

Live and let live - each to their own!

 

[busby]

How much would you suggest Councils charge for these proper RV parking spaces in order to make their fortune ?

Its not really a matter of making money it is a much needed facility and would boost tourism..BUSBY.

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[busby]

Hopefully that will then bring on a civil war which is long overdue.
True but no one asked me when they pay out for lazy,gay,black transvestites? Or translators in 90 different languages for scum that can't speak english & shold be thrown back where they came from.or paying for accommodation & pocket mponey for the same filth.


& what difference is that to Jo muppet car & van drivers who park in a lay by & there mate picks them up to go & do a days work somewhere ,then Daisy Blunt comes along & does the same ,et al,,Until the whole lot is full. so blocking the lay by parking off to anyone travelling for 12 + hours. I've experienced it everywhere year in year out & even the same people year on year.
You're earning too much
Which is what the problem is across the Uk completely.Out of hand sky high prices for all & anything.
See 2 hopefully we can reduce the population by the 28 million shown for the UK in 2025 by virtue of the virus & killing each other.
I use one which is sensibly priced that allows no waste to be left by anyone whatsoever.Take it home.

I only charge that for a 4 person double bedded apartment complete with lounge ,gas ,electric & heating included per night for 2 people.


Why is there a "going rate" what is it for? What is the extra expenditure for that a car or van does not have? & no we don't mean parking as that should also be free for vehicles.

They should be providing facilities like this + free parking along with lay bys & bins that are actually emptied on a regular basis rather than translating services for those who are actually putting in nothing to the economy or the lgbt lot ,blm ,social services that are an embarrassment,& any other band wagon they can climb on. people want the bins emptied , the street lights on & not much else.

It is directly as a result of councils wanting to spend profligate amount sof money on grandisoe schemes along with excessive wages & pension conts; whilst dishing out money to lgbt & immigrants that require 00's of 000's spent on translating whilst basically expecting the tax paying resident to pay for services they do not want. How in the present crisis any council can be going "bankrupt" defies belief? All should be awash with money if they didn't p*** it up the wall on the above.They should all be personally liable.


How do they justify the lgbt, blm translating for non speakers, social services that do nothing to the residents? They don't ;Ask & they will hide behind the 'data protection' etc; nonsense.
As above If they can't balance the books now when they should be awash with money there's no hope. In fact I know there is no hope as ever since they allowed expenses, attendance payments, etc; councils have needed more money for less services & far more ridiculous schemes & pay outs to obscure dreamers organisations many of whom end up failing & the only one who benefited was the recipient of the money.

So true Nottm City Council have landed up owning a half demolished shopping centre now INTU have gone tits up..They invested tax payers money in a Shopping centre when every one knows retail in towns is failing..BUSBY.

 

[gus-lopez]

Didn’t pay thousands of pounds for a MH to holiday with the down and outs! If you can afford one of these vehicles you can afford to pay for site fees.

But to many of us that is what sites are.
Why would you wish to be on one?
why would you want to be with people you wouldn't want in your house?
Why do you want bars ,restaurants, drunks,etc?
Why do you want to be inundated with kids?

 

[Pekepal]

I can afford my van. I can also afford to pay site fees.

You may prefer to be on sites with all facilities.

I prefer not to be on sites.

And that is why I enjoy motorhoming so much.

I couldn’t agree more!

BUT No way would I choose to park overnight in amongst the rubbish etc as has been suggested. No enjoyment there!

 

[busby]

So just allow this sort of behaviour to thrive and encourage rather than solve a problem. Would you really want to spend time in such an area? Didn’t pay thousands of pounds for a MH to holiday with the down and outs! If you can afford one of these vehicles you can afford to pay for site fees. If you need to be right in a town centre a motorhome is not the ideal mode of transport.

It works in France,Spain and Germany very well..BUSBY.

 

[Pekepal]

But to many of us that is what sites are.
Why would you wish to be on one?
why would you want to be with people you wouldn't want in your house?
Why do you want bars ,restaurants, drunks,etc?
Why do you want to be inundated with kids?

Have never ever stayed anywhere like the above!!!

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[Pekepal]

It works in France,Spain and Germany very well..BUSBY.

I thought we were talking about UK. I totally agree with your comments but UK towns just do not have the amount of space to allow for everyone to park huge Motorhomes wherever and whenever they choose.

 

[busby]

I don't see why motorhomers should expect someone else to provide facilities for their chosen past time. Why should councils provide those facilities just in case you decide to honour them with your presence. Should I as a motorcyclist expect them to provide me with a safe storage facility where I could leave my riding gear while I wander round their town? Should cyclists expect a safe area to leave their bikes? Should tuggers have areas set aside so that they can park up. You all seem to think that you are special, deserving of special facilities provided for at someone else's expense. I know this won't be a popular view but many councils don't see you as the source of generating funds for their infrastructure, in fact just the opposite, you are seen as a drain on their resources. I've seen mention on here of having 6 spaces for o/night parking with "just" water and waste emptying for the princely sum of £5/night. That's £30/night or £210/week. How far do you think that will go towards providing and maintaining that site and how do you see the council justifying it to the local rates payers? Get real.

Do Parks and play grounds produce revenue ? how about lay bys,free car parks,schools hospitals libaries etc etc.We all pay taxes so governments can provide facilities that are needed..This argument would be laughed at in most of Europe..Tourism brings in so much hidden revenue,,BUSBY.

 

[busby]

I thought we were talking about UK. I totally agree with your comments but UK towns just do not have the amount of space to allow for everyone to park huge Motorhomes wherever and whenever they choose.

Nottm for example has so much available space,,Two out of town park and ride sites,,Wollaton Park only a 20 min walk from Nottm Castle,,Holme Pierrpont water sports and country park,,10 min bus ride in..Plenty of room if you look..Small City like Canterbury is a shining example..BUSBY.

 

[Pekepal]

Never been to Nottingham sounds lovely! Do they not have motorhome parking at their P & R like Canterbury? As far as I know Canterbury is the only place at least in Kent. Just hope it doesn’t get over-used so that car drivers complain. Understand they have/are opening another MH parking aire at Wincheap P&R. But this is, a city. Try getting towns to provide such parking.

 

[Jim]

True but no one asked me when they pay out for lazy,gay,black transvestites? Or translators in 90 different languages for scum that can't speak english & shold be thrown back where they came from.or paying for accommodation & pocket mponey for the same filth.

Fair warning... the next post you make about killing people or sending them back to where they came from, will be your last post here. Please show some restraint, like I'm displaying now

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[busby]

Never been to Nottingham sounds lovely! Do they not have motorhome parking at their P & R like Canterbury? As far as I know Canterbury is the only place at least in Kent. Just hope it doesn’t get over-used so that car drivers complain. Understand they have/are opening another MH parking aire at Wincheap P&R. But this is, a city. Try getting towns to provide such parking.

Was on Canterbury P and R last year,,busy but not rammed.Plenty of foreign tourists which is nice to see..Lovely historic City and nice and compact..BUSBY.

 

[Brains]

When I first went caravanning with my parents there were either no sites or very very, few. My Father would each day ring a farmer in the vicinity of where we were headed to arrange a place to stay. On occasion he might ask a garage with a large unused piece of ground. We had numerous holidays by such methods.

During the period when I was taking my own holidays I lost sight of what was happening in the camping world and by the time I bought my first caravan sites were pretty numerous. More importantly so were CL/CSs. Those and the THSs and car club meets have been my staple. I don't expect to park on someone else's land free of charge as my holiday site. In general I still use sites, often booked under rally terms, as well as the aforementioned less formal locations. The group of friends I camp with six or so times each year are a good mix of tuggers and mh users so I do spend a fair amount of time on sites. It's good to break a journey with an overnight stop and that is my bit of wild camping - if it isn't on a motorway services. In France and Spain I've used sites and Aires. It would suit me therefore to be able to spend 24h on existing car parks (paid of course).

The UK Aires network is the CL / CS provision by (mainly) the prominent Clubs. In most towns I can't see valuable land being set aside for dedicated mh parking when the likely result is that travellers would take it over. A change in the law to allow overnighting and the provision of a tap and waste drain is the very best we could hope for. Which will never happen whilst there's no money for public toilets.

"Which will never happen whilst there's no money for public toilets."
Agreed, this is the nub of the issue.
Back in 1900 it cost a penny to spend a penny.
That is 54p in today's money.
One of the reasons councils built so many toilets (and baths) in the 1890's was they were a money spinners.

A strategically placed toilet, with dump facilities on the NC500 could make money at say £1 per entry and £5 per dump and Fill.
I recon about 150 visits per day, for the summer season only could make you £25k PA.

 

[Northernraider]

How much would you suggest Councils charge for these proper

So just allow this sort of behaviour to thrive and encourage rather than solve a problem. Would you really want to spend time in such an area? Didn’t pay thousands of pounds for a MH to holiday with the down and outs! If you can afford one of these vehicles you can afford to pay for site fees. If you need to be right in a town centre a motorhome is not the ideal mode of transport.

I live in my van
I CAN afford site fees i just refuse to pay them ....

Motorhome is the perfect vehicle to park in the centre of town unlike a caravan which is what caravan sites are for

 

[Blue Knight]

There are many who are not willing to pay the going rate for using their motorhome, they put this burden on local tax payers to subsidies their travel. Problem with some, they spend all that cash on buying this home on wheels but give no thought or consideration to the cost of using it. Using your motorhome has expenditure other than putting fuel in the tank.

Your points are reiterated in the Oban Times today - an interesting article:

Councillor raises barrier idea for Ganavan - The Oban Times

'Ganavan is all over freeloading websites with campervans telling other people it's okay to come and park up for the night.'

www.obantimes.co.uk

 

[Pekepal]

I live in my van
I CAN afford site fees i just refuse to pay them ....

Motorhome is the perfect vehicle to park in the centre of town unlike a caravan which is what caravan sites are for

That’s the difference - I holiday in my motorhome and don’t expect to park a stones throw from every facility. I knew this would be the main drawback when I changed from caravanning of 40 years with the benefit of a car. it is sometimes inconvenient but that was my choice for a change in holiday style. I personally cannot think of anything worse than having to sleep in the middle of a town/city for my holiday and all that goes with that. Visit for a day, use public transport, bike or taxi and then go back to a lovely peaceful site.

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