More grief about motorhomes

[Silver-Fox]

Flogged that one to death. Motorhome owners are tight and don’t spend and if they did it would not benefit me so why on earth would I want to pay tax so that you can enjoy yourself on a free pitch.

Would that not be like owning a house and then renting a flat to live in

I have a Moho so I can stay where I want to, legally obviously and not rub shoulders with those I don’t wish to.

Yes I’m anti social but that comes with being a carpenter

 

[Ivory55]

Lol you say that like you are high and almighty and are the only one here who pays taxes..........

Here’s a novel thought, people pay for themselves for what they want. Not expect other people to pay for them. Or what about you all pay into a pension pot for me and I will retire early, or would people not like paying for me to enjoy myself.

 

[Bart]

Here we go again another holy than thou must use a camp site brigade.
Some of us just don't like camp sites, we would much rather be in a nice wild spot or on an Aire, much more relaxing.
Even if you are going to to use site in the UK most require pre-booking which defeats the object of traveling in a Motorhome we never know where we are going to be the next day never mind next week.

This exactly Lenny but those who want to spend their holidays in one place on a camp site clearly do not see this.

 

[Bart]

Here’s a novel thought, people pay for themselves for what they want. Not expect other people to pay for them. Or what about you all pay into a pension pot for me and I will retire early, or would people not like paying for me to enjoy myself.

Where did anyone suggest that YOUR taxes would be used to facilitate others to wild camp ? If so I must if missed that post.

 

[Northernraider]

Might be a good idea if you actually read the post? It is about the UK! But maybe you just wanted to be part of it!

But if you spent in campsites, then this is not about you! But of course I guessed people like you with nothing to add would come back just to join in! What people like you fail to think of it car drivers do that as well, plus they pay for accommodation! AND they have to eat out!

My view is this ....many who stay in a campsite only spend in the campsite. They park up and stay on site....sit outside drink and bbq theyve spent there money on the site.
Those who move around spend in the shops and bars restaurants etc they are parked near....not miles from town in a site.

I've no desire whatsoever to park with a load of nosey buggers , noisy kids, squeaky swings , banging toilet doors , lawnmowers, strimmers etc etc etc

And even less desire to pay for the privilege.... i could sit in a house and do that in a more comfortable seat watching a larger TV.

Thats for caravans not for motorhomes.

This attitude of not comparing to europe is invalid .....that was OK when europe had motorhomes and the UK had caravans ....now there are large increases in motorhomes in the uk the uk needs to change to how they are used and develop the infrastructure to deal with it.

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[Northernraider]

This exactly Lenny but those who want to spend their holidays in one place on a camp site clearly do not see this.

And would be better with a caravan

My sister does this ....motorhome sits on drive doing nothing most of the year
Drives to pretty much the same campsite in Banff about 6 or 7 times a year

£40k for a van , tax , mot , insurance , annual hab and service etc .....to do nothing

Better with a static caravan

 

[stevel2]

All this talk about freeloaders

If there didn't exist people stupid enough to pay £30 upwards to park a self sufficient van every night on a site ESPECIALLY when limited or no facilities at the minute then they would be forced to get back to reality with their pricing

But there is ...so ill continue to be a freeloading tosser.

And if its banned altogether then my next van will be a forestry commission or national trust signwritten van and ill park in streets if I have too

But no amount of restrictions will ever force me on to sites

Fortunately there are a few councils now discussing the creation of aires in scotland
Ross and Cromarty and skye among them

 

[stevel2]

All this talk about freeloaders

If there didn't exist people stupid enough to pay £30 upwards to park a self sufficient van every night on a site ESPECIALLY when limited or no facilities at the minute then they would be forced to get back to reality with their pricing

But there is ...so ill continue to be a freeloading tosser.

And if its banned altogether then my next van will be a forestry commission or national trust signwritten van and ill park in streets if I have too

But no amount of restrictions will ever force me on to sites

Fortunately there are a few councils now discussing the creation of aires in scotland
Ross and Cromarty and skye among them

I appear to be one of the “stupid” people you are referring to.
If you are one of the people who parks sensibly, not inconveniencing other people and taking away what you arrived with then you are not one of the people that is being complained about. It’s the ones who don’t behave sensibly and do cause inconvenience that is being talked about!!
And if I want to spend my hard earned money on sites that charge £30 per night that is exactly what I will do.
Get off your high horse

 

[Coolcats]

Here we go again another holy than thou must use a camp site brigade.
Some of us just don't like camp sites, we would much rather be in a nice wild spot or on an Aire, much more relaxing.
Even if you are going to to use site in the UK most require pre-booking which defeats the object of traveling in a Motorhome, we never know where we are going to be the next day never mind next week.

Interesting as an Atheist I cant be Holy than thou

There is a perfect storm forming and whilst many have enjoyed not stopping at a camp site. A time may come when those who prefer just to park up wherever they wish will probably come to an end, it is the shear volume of people that is the issue. so maybe some may who never use a camp site may wish to consider blending paid and 'where ever I fancy' to help calm that storm.

 

[Bart]

We are actually away on a trip in Spain atm and have been keeping a track of money spent ,, why not after all I'm a FLT
Anyways 1 week in and we have spent over £1000 into the economy , now as for who's economy I don't care , but FLT's do contribute one way or another.

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[Northernraider]

I appear to be one of the “stupid” people you are referring to.
If you are one of the people who parks sensibly, not inconveniencing other people and taking away what you arrived with then you are not one of the people that is being complained about. It’s the ones who don’t behave sensibly and do cause inconvenience that is being talked about!!
And if I want to spend my hard earned money on sites that charge £30 per night that is exactly what I will do.
Get off your high horse

Its amazing that a vast majority on this forum feel they can constantly have a dig at those who don't use sites and call them everything from freeloaders to some down right derogatory terms but are the first to take offence when people who just do not see the point in motorhomes and prebooked caravan housing estates calling the idea stupid

Motorhomes were always a European idea , caravans a British one.

I've no objection to folk spending their money how they wish ....i just wish they would stop moaning about a problem they are contributing to by doing so.

 

[Coolcats]

Visited a tradesman last week who told us his mates who are all mountain bikers were furloughed, and they just packed their vans up and cleared off the Scotland and have not been seen since but guess what, they are having a whale of a time on 80% pay little expense and just spending their time biking and making a mess.
Tossers.

This is part of the perfect storm that will have 'Wild Camping' prohibited

 

[Northernraider]

We are actually away on a trip in Spain atm and have been keeping a track of money spent ,, why not after all I'm a FLT
Anyways 1 week in and we have spent over £1000 into the economy , now as for who's economy I don't care , but FLT's do contribute one way or another.

Yes I earn my money in the uk and spend it in europe NOT what the uk government wants us to do but then who's fault is that.


Spending money on a campsite doesn't put money in to a local economy it puts money in to the campsite owners pocket.

 

[Northernraider]

This is part of the perfect storm that will have 'Wild Camping' prohibited

It could never be completely prohibited ..at least not in scotland. They can try but it won't be easy or cheap

 

[Coolcats]

We've all been to Europe I'm guessing..... And seen the rampant popularity of Aires and the equivalents in Germany, Italy etc etc? I dont see why is it different here.

I very much doubt the campsites in Minehead would be able to cope either on their own. Ultimately I realise Aires won't solve the entire problem either, but the point is Minehead is a tourist destination, and people enjoy Vans - so I reckon they need to find a way to embrace it.

Than again you cant put a Quart in to a pint pot, when a towns full its full.

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[Coolcats]

Coolcats & Ivory55 I guess it's about time the UK government got off their asses then and made more Aires just like in France & Spain

Probably won't happen as its a capitalist free market economy, the best you can hope for is Farmers or enlightened parish councils to make more Camping sites (Arie style) available but someone is going to have to pay for both the land used and any facilities provided.

 

[Baggydave]

Just done the same,

Done

 

[tacr2man]

In Europe caravans are for the most part used like a static in UK . They tow them to a site and even build them in . Those that travel to multiple destinations drive MoHo . from my experience over many decades.

 

[Coolcats]

Yes I earn my money in the uk and spend it in europe NOT what the uk government wants us to do but then who's fault is that.


Spending money on a campsite doesn't put money in to a local economy it puts money in to the campsite owners pocket.

The campsite owner is part of the local economy, which is no different to an engineering company making widgets

 

[LesW]

the UK most require pre-booking

This is the main reason we don't 'tour' in England.. we'll, that and the traffic of course.

We do occasionally get away for a short break using THS, when in the UK.

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[MattR]

Isn't it great that we don't all like staying in the same places and that we have a choice of posh sites through to wild spots?

I just hope that peeps don't screw it up for others who will follow.

 

[Northernraider]

The campsite owner is part of the local economy, which is no different to an engineering company making widgets

1 person .

Compared to restaurants, bakers, butchers , bars, shops etc etc etc

 

[Northernraider]

Isn't it great that we don't all like staying in the same places and that we have a choice of posh sites through to wild spots?

I just hope that peeps don't screw it up for others who will follow.

Unfortunately many using sites already have. Hence the often ridiculous prices, the pre booking etc

Its even affected how many brit vans are built....they cant survive off site , can't even carry a full tank of water ...the manufacturers have adapted them to how many brits use them like caravans.

 

[bobnick]

From the West Country to the Highlands, the media seems full of moaning about inconsiderate motorhomers.

The attached article in the Daily Telegraph today is about Minehead; and the link below is to the John O'Groat Journal and Caithness Courier.

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Caithness councillor says wild camping is 'out of control' and action must be taken

Wild camping is "out of control" in Caithness and action has to be taken to deal with it, a local Highland councillor has said.

www.johnogroat-journal.co.uk

Why not send them comment suggesting they develop facilities rather than moaning about it ... I just did ...link to their contract page here, really easy to do ...

<Broken link removed>

Done

 

[Larrynwin]

Unfortunately many using sites already have. Hence the often ridiculous prices, the pre booking etc

Its even affected how many brit vans are built....they cant survive off site , can't even carry a full tank of water ...the manufacturers have adapted them to how many brits use them like caravans.

The real benefit of the sites is the protection of the environment with all waste being re cycled and disposed of correctly and at a cost of as little as £10 per night.

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[stevel2]

Its amazing that a vast majority on this forum feel they can constantly have a dig at those who don't use sites and call them everything from freeloaders to some down right derogatory terms but are the first to take offence when people who just do not see the point in motorhomes and prebooked caravan housing estates calling the idea stupid

Motorhomes were always a European idea , caravans a British one.

I've no objection to folk spending their money how they wish ....i just wish they would stop moaning about a problem they are contributing to by doing so.

Read your own post. You called people who spend £30 stupid. You are the intolerant one. Not the vast majority.

 

[Potty]

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Unfortunately many using sites already have. Hence the often ridiculous prices, the pre booking etc

Its even affected how many brit vans are built....they cant survive off site , can't even carry a full tank of water ...the manufacturers have adapted them to how many brits use them like caravans.

We have a British van and can manage quite easily without sites! 6 weeks in France, Spain and Portugal earlier this year and only 2 nights spent on sites.

 

[TM59]

We do a mixture of both. Each has their negatives and positives. To argue strongly for one or the other shows the lack of tolerance from some who must always have the last word and feel their view is the correct one. The world would be a boring place if we all held the same view. How we perceive ourselves unfortunatly is not how others perceive us. The reality is the UK has no desire to deal with motorhomes.

 

[GWAYGWAY]

But they are closed !

Bloody well shouldn't be then as for paying campsite closing theirs then they should expect something in the bins or in the hedges.

 

[Coolcats]

1 person .

Compared to restaurants, bakers, butchers , bars, shops etc etc etc

Interesting, I am a vegetarian, I really do make my own bread and take my own beer and food, and Like most its the supermarket that benefits along with the campsite owner and thier employees along with the council and business rates they pay. So it may be 1 owner of a campsite but the local economy does benefit.

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