More grief about motorhomes

[Larrynwin]

True ..dont disagree, but the complete lack of simple, cheap, aire-like spaces in the UK is contributory factor. If we're restricted to expensive fully equipped campsites or free-loading, with nothing in between, its not surprising that people are behaving this way

There is something between fully equipped campsites and free loading, CLs have basic pitches and water and waste .
It is surprising that some people behave in the way they do, the environment appears to mean nothing to them.

 

[DerryW]

Why not send them comment suggesting they develop facilities rather than moaning about it ... I just did ...link to their contract page here, really easy to do ...

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Done

 

[Blue Knight]

......and one more from today where this comment is mentioned:

“I also think that if levels of visitors continue as they are, then an NC500 permit should be given serious consideration. This has been mooted before and should now be on the table as a possible solution, along with many others.”

Link: https://www.ross-shirejournal.co.uk...ems-to-have-caught-everyone-off-guard-207744/

 

[mikebeaches]

......and one more from today where this comment is mentioned:

“I also think that if levels of visitors continue as they are, then an NC500 permit should be given serious consideration. This has been mooted before and should now be on the table as a possible solution, along with many others.”

Link: https://www.ross-shirejournal.co.uk...ems-to-have-caught-everyone-off-guard-207744/

A surprisingly positive piece and with politicians talking about the benefits of having aires like on the continent!

 

[Larrynwin]

In France, facililities in campsites, aires, picnic sites, towns etc. are in the main open. Thank god. Because where there aren't any facilities there is human waste littered about everywhere. I know because our young puppy loves it!!!!!

So why aren't the facilities open in the UK because looking at the photos of the beaches on the TV what is happening there........

Toilet facilities are open inland and on the coast in Norfolk .

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[mikebeaches]

Toilet facilities are open inland and on the coast in Norfolk .

We were in Galloway last week for a few days - not in the van - and all of the public toilets were closed?

 

[WJACC]

Certainly in the north if Scotland which is very sparsely populated it is the locals who take care of the public toilets and with Covid they have closed them .
The showers and toilets are closed on the Thurso campsite so you have to use your own facilities but can fill , empty etc
Someone broke into the toilet block on site !
If you have visited the north coast after Thurso there is very little till Cape Wrath And not a lots there !!

Its a while since I've been that way but I remember how sparsely populated it is. In lockdown it is perfectly sensible for facilities to be shut, whether toilets, waste containers etc. but I think if the lockdown is eased then the basic facilities should reopen because people are going to turn up whatever and just 'dump' wherever.

 

[Blue Knight]

A surprisingly positive piece and with politicians talking about the benefits of having aires like on the continent!

Yep, very positive Mike but there's no doubt that the NC500 horse has already bolted. It'll take a whole heap of time, money and effort to get the necessary tourist infrastructure in place.

At least it's a step in the right direction though.

 

[Larrynwin]

We were in Galloway last week for a few days - not in the van - and all of the public toilets were closed?

Was Scotland fully open as it seems they have not been prepared for the onslaught, eg the NC 500 problems.
Some councils in England asked asked for restraint and initially discouraged tourists as lockdown eased, could be the case in Scotland.

 

[ADJF]

This morning whilst riding my motorcycle I followed a motorhome , a rather nice new one, who thought it was appropriate to drive though Morfa Bychan and the centre of Porthmadog whilst emptying his waste tanks . I pulled alongside at a junction explained how inappropriate this is, and that at I am also a motorhomer. I thanked him, a rather young chap and his partner, for spaying their grey water through my town and over myself. He tried to state it was a mistake but still proceeded to carry on without stopping to close this waste exit tap. Horrible behaviour

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[intokenny]

Why not send them comment suggesting they develop facilities rather than moaning about it ... I just did ...link to their contract page here, really easy to do ...

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I just have, thanks for the address.

 

[mikebeaches]

Was Scotland fully open as it seems they have not been prepared for the onslaught, eg the NC 500 problems.
Some councils in England asked asked for restraint and initially discouraged tourists as lockdown eased, could be the case in Scotland.

Apart from the toilets, it appeared to be.

The tourism industry was authorised to re-open on 15 July in Scotland.

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[Northernraider]

All this talk about freeloaders

If there didn't exist people stupid enough to pay £30 upwards to park a self sufficient van every night on a site ESPECIALLY when limited or no facilities at the minute then they would be forced to get back to reality with their pricing

But there is ...so ill continue to be a freeloading tosser.

And if its banned altogether then my next van will be a forestry commission or national trust signwritten van and ill park in streets if I have too

But no amount of restrictions will ever force me on to sites

Fortunately there are a few councils now discussing the creation of aires in scotland
Ross and Cromarty and skye among them

 

[AndyPK]

Why not send them comment suggesting they develop facilities rather than moaning about it ... I just did ...link to their contract page here, really easy to do ...

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Done!

 

[Grianan]

There is something between fully equipped campsites and free loading, CLs have basic pitches and water and waste .

Stayed on my first CL this year and it was perfect for me. Happy to pay £10 for peace and quiet and knowing we’re not annoying anyone. Don’t need any facilities unless staying longer in which case black waste, grey waste, bin and water.
Biggest issue is ( for most) having to phone for availability. If I could go online and book it would be perfect but, when working, phoning is a hassle especially if no one picks up and you leave a message then wait up see if they get back to you, then think they’re not going to so ring someone else ...

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[Larrynwin]

All this talk about freeloaders

If there didn't exist people stupid enough to pay £30 upwards to park a self sufficient van every night on a site ESPECIALLY when limited or no facilities at the minute then they would be forced to get back to reality with their pricing

But there is ...so ill continue to be a freeloading tosser.

And if its banned altogether then my next van will be a forestry commission or national trust signwritten van and ill park in streets if I have too

But no amount of restrictions will ever force me on to sites

Fortunately there are a few councils now discussing the creation of aires in scotland
Ross and Cromarty and skye among them

I assume you are referring to a fair chunk of the membership on this forum as “ stupid “ , those
“ stupid “ people have a right to spend as much as they wish for a service and do so without fouling the environment. However as stated earlier there are CL sites that cost as little as £10 per night offering pitch hook up water and waste dump .

 

[Bart]

I thanked him, a rather young chap and his partner, for spaying their grey water through my town and over myself.

I guess you should of been keeping your distance then , nothing wrong with a little grey dribble.

 

[Deneb]

Its not just free-loaders. On a C&MC site, washing up facility with a large note saying only one person at a time or two from the same household. Quite a clear protocol to keep people safe. Waiting patiently outside overheard two people washing up clearly not from the same household in close proximity. One leaves and the other one beckons me to come on in - it’s okay. The next thing is they will have to close the facility. Some really do find it difficult understand still.

I was at a C&CC site a couple of weeks ago when some moron decided that the washing up facility was ideal to lay his presumably soiled duvet on the vegetable preparation counter and then rinse it and it's cover in the sink. Didn't seem to understand why it was a problem, which it would be at the best if times, let alone in the middle of a pandemic

 

[JJ]

I think the problem is caused by those that are not prepared to pay for sites. Youtube has many channels by 'van lifers' who seem intent on free loading and there are members of this forum that have in the past highlighted how their aim is to avoid paying for sites . Sadly there is a danger that in the UK motorhome owners will be linked to the 'traveller' community with all the problems they cause. I am a member of a boating forum where cheap boats are seen as a form of cheap accomodation I suspect an element of that is creeping into motor home living .

Here we go again... same old, same old...

Folk who think the only way to "use" their motorhomes is to drive them to a campsite, park up (where told to) and sit outside them "camping" don't seem to understand what motorhoming can be all about...

JJ

 

[Bart]

Here we go again... same old, same old...

Folk who think the only way to "use" their motorhomes is to drive them to a campsite, park up (where told to) and sit outside them "camping" don't seem to understand what motorhoming can be all about...

JJ

Totally agree , since we have started owning motorhomes we have not stayed at a campsite , some may say I'm an FLT , others may say maybe he doesn't like being stuck in one place , in reality each to their own as we all prefer different things in life..
But yes I do consider myself an FLT , now where did I put that popcorn

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[Wabs]

Why not send them comment suggesting they develop facilities rather than moaning about it ... I just did ...link to their contract page here, really easy to do ...

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Just done the same,

 

[Coolcats]

I think the problem is caused by those that are not prepared to pay for sites. Youtube has many channels by 'van lifers' who seem intent on free loading and there are members of this forum that have in the past highlighted how their aim is to avoid paying for sites . Sadly there is a danger that in the UK motorhome owners will be linked to the 'traveller' community with all the problems they cause. I am a member of a boating forum where cheap boats are seen as a form of cheap accomodation I suspect an element of that is creeping into motor home living .

There are a couple of issues, the first is housing and lack of affordable housing, which alignes with cheap boat acomadation, the next is for people who have been ‘forced’ in to van living due to personal circumstances.

I have mentioned a couple of times that there are full timers who rotate around different sites, now there is ‘permanent’ resident where the full timers occasionally stay for a night or two. It is this that will cause an issue where are they placing the human waste and please don’t say they dig a hole and it’s all OK.

Wild camping is not really Wild when you have a MoHo, how can it be ? the occupants have all the comfort of home, it is more Urban camping.

it will become an issue people do not want Vans parked up Randomly all over the countryside. At some point it will get legislated against and spoil the occasional stop over.

Vanlife and boat life should never have to be a substitute for living in a home.

Housing developments these days seem to be large expensive housing or so called high rise flats dubbed as ‘Luxury apartments’ Where are the ‘normal’ affordable developments ?

One last point some Vans are parked inappropriate just parking on verges or worse , trespassing on private land.

 

[Ivory55]

I never understand why people think it’s right to take someone else’s money in the form of tax and spend it on things that they enjoy doing and can not understand why people would not like it.

 

[tonyidle]

There is a clear disconnect when it comes to toilet facilities. I live in a town that calls itself "The Gateway to the Lakes" and whose main drive is to encourage responsible tourism. And yet, several years ago now, they closed the majority of Public Toilets in the area. They closed all of them in the town. There are some (business-owned) in the Shopping Centre and there are toilets in the leisure centre. They encouraged shop and business owners to allow people to visit just to use their toilets. Coach loads of visitors turn up needing facilities many of them elderly. The Public Toilets were closed to save money but what I don't understand is how a toilet costs money if you can simply charge enough to cover their cost.

There are many tales of disgusting behaviour across the country in the Press relating to excrement left after large numbers of visitors have been and gone. What does anyone expect visitors to an area to do? There simply aren't any, or enough, facilities.

 

[Cornish Crew]

Afraid to say it is the society we now live in.

We love our motorsport as much as our motorhome, both environmently unfriendly pursuits, but try and do them responsibly. Absolutely appalled by the actions of others a couple years ago on Rally GB. Stayed on a forest road overnight as permitted, and got up at ungodly hour to trek to a viewing spot. Fantastic few hours spent watching the spectacle, waited for the majority to leave and made our way out of the forest. It was carnage, dumped barbeques, food waste, beer bottles, carrier bags, dumped tents and various camping gear, even a mattress, all left for the rangers and volunteers to clear up.

Its not just motorhomers or campers, it is our society.

I fear for the future of our country & the planet.

We were planning on the NC500 in late September, not so sure now

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[Coolcats]

True ..dont disagree, but the complete lack of simple, cheap, aire-like spaces in the UK is contributory factor. If we're restricted to expensive fully equipped campsites or free-loading, with nothing in between, its not surprising that people are behaving this way

People spend 20-100K on a MoHo and then begrudge spending a few quid in campsite fees does not make sense.

 

[gus-lopez]

People spend 20-100K on a MoHo and then begrudge spending a few quid in campsite fees does not make sense.

It does if you do not like people/children?

 

[Bart]

People spend 20-100K on a MoHo and then begrudge spending a few quid in campsite fees does not make sense.

For me it's more to do with not wanting to spend 2 weeks or whatever in the same place , I like moving around and just playing it day by day without having to organise.
I just never understand why some people are so narrow minded and think that all humans want to do the same things in life.

 

[Nanniemate]

I am at my favourite near to home bolt hole.at least 3 MH have been parked in the no overnighting parking area for a week at least another 7 have joined them. One said the fine if it came was 1 night on a campsite. Interesting logic

 

[Coolcats]

For me it's more to do with not wanting to spend 2 weeks or whatever in the same place , I like moving around and just playing it day by day without having to organise.
I just never understand why some people are so narrow minded and think that all humans want to do the same things in life.

Bart I am certainly not narrow minded but With increasing inconsiderate and poor consideration of where individuals park the lifestyle is under threat, whether you feel your a peer ofthe issue or not. Just peking where you feel like makes you part of that community. I am not saying your wrong doing but maybe the time is coming when you cannot just park where you wish. It will be the overall increase in this type of living that will cause the end of the practice. parish councils etc that will bring it to an end.

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