More grief about motorhomes

[Jim]

The more appropriate equivalent is France Passion. You pay your €35 a year and have access to Chateau, Vineyards, Farms, etc throughout France. €0 per night unless you decide to buy some of their own produce.

France passion is excellent, we first used it in 94/95 and still do, great for a couple, no good if you have kids as most of the time your in a car park. And for us though, it always works out 5 x more expensive than a regular CL at home.

 

[pandas]

And they us. Because they have nothing like our CL system. We have French campers who tell us how much they love our CLs. We've met them on the road who have told us the same. theGoogle maps explosions of the last ten years means most every CL is there to be discovered and with a dozen reviews in three languages. We have nearly 5000 of them and the worst one of them is better than the majority of dusty French car park aires, which number so many.

Like many people I love wild camping probably more than most, I do it for the camping. I'm not however a free loading tosser, for them its all about saving money. The test, find the very best beautiful wild camping position that ever existed, a utopia, have it overlooking a white sandy beach and charge £30 a night to stay. The true free loader will run a mile. While I'd pay in a flash

CL’s are brilliant. Wild Camping; have been to some fab locations in Canada, New Zealand, the States, Australia, Southern Italy, Sicily and occasionally Scotland (to name drop a few) but maybe as we live in the southeast I cannot recall or envisage a wild camping opportunity anywhere within 200 miles of home unless it were to impact somehow on the local community. Even though we are self sufficient in terms of our on board services for 4 or 5 days. Then there is also the issue of where to ‘refresh’ if you were then wanting to move on. Do people log onto a ‘Wild Camping app’ where you search them out? Actually there is a nice green near us where very occasionally a caravan with a transit van chance their arm for a couple of nights before being moved on, then most often with a load of rubbish left behind unfortunately.

 

[mikebeaches]

Like many people I love wild camping probably more than most, I do it for the camping. I'm not however a free loading tosser, for them its all about saving money. The test, find the very best beautiful wild camping position that ever existed, a utopia, have it overlooking a white sandy beach and charge £30 a night to stay. The true free loader will run a mile. While I'd pay in a flash

Not suggesting this was the most beautiful site in the world, simply a decent €20 ACSI camping in Bavaria.

However, we were asked if we wanted to pay an extra €5 for a lakeside pitch. For us, worth every cent to upgrade the view.

 

[Lenny HB]

But the reality is, those who park for free, put very little into local economies.

What a load of rubbish, every year for quite a few years we have spent over £5000 a year touring in our van of that probably only £100 to £ 200 on camping. All that money has gone into the local economy I'm sure France/Belgium/Germany/Spain/Greece & Portugal are grateful for it.

 

[kevenh]

The problem i have with cl's is i believe you have to join a club to use them.
A club that actively opposes the creation of aires so I'm reluctant to support them in any way ....out of principle
The same way I'll never set foot in another witherspoons as long as I breathe.

Not my area of expertise, but 5van.co.uk look like a resource for campsites the same as CL/CS but independent.

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[spitfire]

And they us. Because they have nothing like our CL system. We have French campers who tell us how much they love our CLs. We've met them on the road who have told us the same. theGoogle maps explosions of the last ten years means most every CL is there to be discovered and with a dozen reviews in three languages. We have nearly 5000 of them and the worst one of them is better than the majority of dusty French car park aires, which number so many.

Like many people I love wild camping probably more than most, I do it for the camping. I'm not however a free loading tosser, for them its all about saving money. The test, find the very best beautiful wild camping position that ever existed, a utopia, have it overlooking a white sandy beach and charge £30 a night to stay. The true free loader will run a mile. While I'd pay in a flash

Your CL’s are great and you are correct we don’t have them here . France Passion is pretty ok but not the same .
Both times we have taken our french group to Scotland they have been very impressed with U.K. sites and often said the showers and toilets were better than at home lol Especially the ones in Aviemore where you got a full sized bathroom !!
We do have some Aires in beautiful locations but others rubbish !!

 

[The general]

Northernraider said:
The problem i have with cl's is i believe you have to join a club to use them.
A club that actively opposes the creation of aires so I'm reluctant to support them in any way ....out of principle
The same way I'll never set foot in another witherspoons as long as I breathe

why wetherspoons ?

 

[spitfire]

It is only a utopia to you & any that think it is? As I've said before £30/night x 7 days week = far more than the state pension pays = you can't live in the UK
That's the problem in having to join something that isn't of any use to most people to access them.
If you only use a couple of cl/cs's then the membership fee has to be ÷number of nights

I must admit in all the 000's of miles I've travelled in the Uk I have never seen a French motorhome? Dutch ,yes & a couple of spanish & the odd Belgian

Must have missed the 17 we have taken twice . To Scotland mind you via Newcastle !

 

[spitfire]

France passion is excellent, we first used it in 94/95 and still do, great for a couple, no good if you have kids as most of the time your in a car park. And for us though, it always works out 5 x more expensive than a regular CL at home.

Ha ha can be true . We stopped on a vineyard near Bergerac beautiful view and free and asked madam if she did tastings as we wanted to buy a particular wine . Of course she said come up at 6pm . 6 glasses not small ones later we wobbled back to the van !!! She said come back in the morning to buy which we did but could have just driven off .

 

[tribalbrit]

the first one probably paid for his vehicle & is a tax payer .the other one.............................................?

No. It is simple the same as I always bought houses away from anyone. I don't want your company, I don't want noise, I do not want to hear you ,I don't drink ,I hate drunks, I just mind my own business unless you annoy me. & yes I had kids ,I just didn't impose them for others to suffer.
I don't even bother with aires as they are usually away from the route I am on.I wish to spend the least time possible wandering about looking for sites/aires when I just wish to stop ,walk the dog go to bed ,get up shower & go.

Travellers pay for their vehicles to and I'm pretty sure the caravans they tow with their new Range Rovers are equal to if not not more expensive than many motor homes.
Granted they may not pat tax but this is no different to many National and International companies avoiding tax. A large super market chain and a drop box shipping company spring to mind.
So once again what is the difference and why should they be treated any different?

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[busby]

Choose the right site A family of 4 You can pay £80 a night in Spain and France in season

But you have an 80 % chance of wall to wall sunshine,, BUSBY.

 

[busby]

Travellers pay for their vehicles to and I'm pretty sure the caravans they tow with their new Range Rovers are equal to if not not more expensive than many motor homes.
Granted they may not pat tax but this is no different to many National and International companies avoiding tax. A large super market chain and a drop box shipping company spring to mind.
So once again what is the difference and why should they be treated any different?

I have not noticed the CEO of Amazon or Sainsburys parking his caravan on our local cricket pitch and leaving rubbish and human waste behind..BUSBY.

 

[Larrynwin]

People keep saying that but the last 3 or 4 times I've asked a site its been over £30

And that was just me on my own in a van , no awning no electric etc and usually october or april time ....outwith school holidays

That roseview site in oban quoted me £32 for a t4 camper

You obviously haven’t tried a CL £10/15 a night not the £30 you continually mislead people on.

 

[Northernraider]

Travellers pay for their vehicles to and I'm pretty sure the caravans they tow with their new Range Rovers are equal to if not not more expensive than many motor homes.
Granted they may not pat tax but this is no different to many National and International companies avoiding tax. A large super market chain and a drop box shipping company spring to mind.
So once again what is the difference and why should they be treated any different?

Aye right!!!!

 

[gus-lopez]

To Scotland mind you via Newcastle !

Where's Newcastle? No wonder I don't see them.

Travellers pay for their vehicles to and I'm pretty sure the caravans they tow with their new Range Rovers are equal to if not not more expensive than many motor homes.
Granted they may not pat tax but this is no different to many National and International companies avoiding tax. A large super market chain and a drop box shipping company spring to mind.
So once again what is the difference and why should they be treated any different?

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[Northernraider]

Travellers pay for their vehicles to and I'm pretty sure the caravans they tow with their new Range Rovers are equal to if not not more expensive than many motor homes.
Granted they may not pat tax but this is no different to many National and International companies avoiding tax. A large super market chain and a drop box shipping company spring to mind.
So once again what is the difference and why should they be treated any different?

And there's literally dozens more

 

[Northernraider]

Another positive response to the creation of aires

 

[tribalbrit]

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And there's literally dozens more

And is that the only difference.
There's always a few bad apples, also with the motor home owners.
We obviously have better class of traveller round these parts.

 

[nicholsong]

And is that the only difference.
There's always a few bad apples, also with the motor home owners.
We obviously have better class of traveller round these parts.

Have you checked their VIN numbers?

Brave man!

 

[Otter Spotter]

Flogged that one to death. Motorhome owners are tight and don’t spend and if they did it would not benefit me so why on earth would I want to pay tax so that you can enjoy yourself on a free pitch.

You speak for yourself I do try to support local shops etc. When I stay anywhere.

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[billym]

They are getting fed up with motorhomes in Northumberland as well

Campers face clampdown as Bamburgh Castle Estates considers ways to tackle problems on Northumberland coast

New measures could be put in place to restrict overnight camping by a popular Northumberland beach.

www.northumberlandgazette.co.uk

Plans to prevent camper van access to popular Northumberland beach car park to stop it becoming '24-hour campsite'

New measures aim to prevent a Northumberland beach car park from ‘being turned into a 24-hour campsite’.

www.northumberlandgazette.co.uk

 

[joe and sue]

There is a huge difference between Parking overnight and Camping overnight,
Have had this discussion with our local councillors, and they are now considering allowing more overnight "Parking" including sleeping, but not Camping, that is nothing on the ground except vehicle wheels, not even a step left outside.

 

[Rumour and Innuendo]

You speak for yourself I do try to support local shops etc. When I stay anywhere.

You "may" do that, but I doubt you would input that much. Most free parkers shop al Aldi or Lidl. They bring most of what they want with them.

And do tell me, how do they support local business when they want to park in isolated places and keep to themselves?

 

[Potty]

You "may" do that, but I doubt you would input that much. Most free parkers shop al Aldi or Lidl. They bring most of what they want with them.

And do tell me, how do they support local business when they want to park in isolated places and keep to themselves?

So people on campsites and staying in self-catering properties don’t shop in supermarkets? Aren’t supermarkets part of the local economy? Don’t they employ local people? Our fridge only holds enough fresh food for a few days. We need to buy bread and milk every couple of days. If we buy them in supermarkets it is because we can park there.

“We stop local, we shop”

 

[Ivory55]

You could put all the comments on here to any number of topics in the uk today. Everyone see themselves or group to entitled and wants wants wants or even demands. That seems to be the uk today.

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[JJ]

You "may" do that, but I doubt you would input that much. Most free parkers shop at Aldi or Lidl. They bring most of what they want with them.

And do tell me, how do they support local business when they want to park in isolated places and keep to themselves?

I would be interested in learning your sources for this statement or is it just an ill informed opinion?

I spend most of my life in isolated areas but buy my food and fuel locally.

Even so, I don't believe my role in life is to support local businesses...

JJ

 

[Rumour and Innuendo]

I would be interested in learning your sources for this statement or is it just an ill informed opinion?

I spend most of my life in isolated areas but buy my food and fuel locally.

Even so, I don't believe my role in life is to support local businesses...

JJ

The Aldi/Lidl quip was perhaps a little narrow, Substitute supermarkets! But I guess you know what I mean really! I see all the comments on here and elsewhere that motorhome owners want isolation and need for nothing, but then they say wherever they go they support the local businesses! Can't be both..

But you comment at the end sums up the general (IMO) attitude of motorhome owners. And given that, how are we the great saviours of the economy that some, maybe even most would have us believe?

 

[Rumour and Innuendo]

So people on campsites and staying in self-catering properties don’t shop in supermarkets? Aren’t supermarkets part of the local economy? Don’t they employ local people? Our fridge only holds enough fresh food for a few days. We need to buy bread and milk every couple of days. If we buy them in supermarkets it is because we can park there.

“We stop local, we shop”

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Sorry if it was a little over your head! Supermarkets are not "local businesses". They may employ local people, but apart from wages and business rates, very little goes back into the local economy. Local business is the greengrocer, butcher, corner store and many more independants.

But for those including us, who are away many weekends, the van is stocked before we go. On a weekend away there is no point in spending time shopping. So for those shorter trips, the local economy gets very little.

 

[Pelirocco]

Same old bollocks blaming Motorhomes for everyone else's rubbish & waste.
The sensible thing would be to provide facilities for Motorhomes but if they did that they wouldn't be able to blame the Motorhomes.

Why would you immediately say its not Motorhomers? There are a lot of Motor homes about this year due to travel restrictions
As the majority of motor homes have their own facilities there shouldn't be a problem so why would 'they ' ( who ever they are ) provide facilities
Personally I am not a fan of wild camping ,keep the countryside for everyone's enjoyment

 

[Rapido925M]

Why would you immediately say its not Motorhomers? There are a lot of Motor homes about this year due to travel restrictions
As the majority of motor homes have their own facilities there shouldn't be a problem so why would 'they ' ( who ever they are ) provide facilities
Personally I am not a fan of wild camping ,keep the countryside for everyone's enjoyment

SO I leave my campsite early and park my MH in a beauty spot at 8am, have breakfast, lunch, dinner and leave for my campsite at 8pm, taking all my rubbish with me.

OR I park my MH in a beauty spot at 8am, have breakfast, lunch, dinner and close my curtains at 8pm before heading off to bed, keeping all my rubbish inside.

Please explain how "wild camping" has spoilt anyone's enjoyment of the countryside.

Gordon

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