More grief about motorhomes

[Pekepal]

SO I leave my campsite early and park my MH in a beauty spot at 8am, have breakfast, lunch, dinner and leave for my campsite at 8pm, taking all my rubbish with me.

OR I park my MH in a beauty spot at 8am, have breakfast, lunch, dinner and close my curtains at 8pm before heading off to bed, keeping all my rubbish inside.

Please explain how "wild camping" has spoilt anyone's enjoyment of the countryside.

Gordon

Perhaps the view of your motorhome parked at that beauty spot is spoiling others view of that spot or being able to take advantage of the view you are enjoying.

 

[Tyrefixer]

Contacted Minehead Town Council ,

The problem we have is that most Councils use the same negative thought pattern when it comes to Motorhomes , do they really need the revenue created or do they raise enough from constituents via council tax ?

 

[NorthernSoul]

SO I leave my campsite early and park my MH in a beauty spot at 8am, have breakfast, lunch, dinner and leave for my campsite at 8pm, taking all my rubbish with me.

OR I park my MH in a beauty spot at 8am, have breakfast, lunch, dinner and close my curtains at 8pm before heading off to bed, keeping all my rubbish inside.

Please explain how "wild camping" has spoilt anyone's enjoyment of the countryside.

Gordon

I'm not against "wild camping" in a motorhome and may even give it a go one day. But I think your examples are rather extreme.

On a 6 day trip through Scotland our motorhome was on a site for 85% of the time (6 nights), was travelling for 10% of the time and parked off site for 5% of the time. In terms of use of free or wild parking resources, twenty motorhomes with that footprint would be equivalent to one "wild camping" motorhome using those resources 100% of the time.

 

[nicholsong]

You "may" do that, but I doubt you would input that much. Most free parkers shop al Aldi or Lidl. They bring most of what they want with them.

And do tell me, how do they support local business when they want to park in isolated places and keep to themselves?

We do a lot of our shopping at local businesses. We stop en-route in villages in the morning and buy croissants for mid-morning coffee and fresh baguettes for lunch, then walk along to the delicatessen to buy pate, pies, olives, cheese etc., then to the butchers for meat for dinner for that day and maybe 1-2 days more.

We also have an app which shows us where and on which days the local markets are functioning and buy a lot there.

One does not have to shop where one stops for the night. So the comment linking 'isolated' with not supporting local shops is unjustified.

Campsite dwellers may not even be within walking distance of these shops and probably do not move their MHs to get there.

Geoff

 

[JJ]

The Aldi/Lidl quip was perhaps a little narrow, Substitute supermarkets! But I guess you know what I mean really! I see all the comments on here and elsewhere that motorhome owners want isolation and need for nothing, but then they say wherever they go they support the local businesses! Can't be both..

But you comment at the end sums up the general (IMO) attitude of motorhome owners. And given that, how are we the great saviours of the economy that some, maybe even most would have us believe?

Mr R and I... In my humble opinion, you have a great deal still left to learn about motorhomers.

I doubt you are what I would call a "real motorhomer".

From the very few posts you have to your name so far, I guess that you are a weekend and holiday "motorhomer" restricting youself to staying on sites for a few days every year.

Whilst I may not be a "saviour of the economy", in these last two days, I have spent €261 at the local garage, €191 + €13 at the local insurance broker, €65 at the local council office, €17 at the local Portuguese run supermarket, €30 at the local gas supplying petrol station, €21 at a local restaurant and €70 on diesel at my local garage.

The VIP Funster who has honoured me with a visit these last few weeks has taken it upon himself to try to "save the (local) economy" by purchasing a considerable (but not excessive) amount of (Portuguese) amber nectar.

JJ

PS. Please never try to guess what I know or don't know...

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[Pekepal]

We do a lot of our shopping at local businesses. We stop en-route in villages in the morning and buy croissants for mid-morning coffee and fresh baguettes for lunch, then walk along to the delicatessen to buy pate, pies, olives, cheese etc., then to the butchers for meat for dinner for that day and maybe 1-2 days more.

We also have an app which shows us where and on which days the local markets are functioning and buy a lot there.

One does not have to shop where one stops for the night. So the comment linking 'isolated' with not supporting local shops is unjustified.

Campsite dwellers may not even be within walking distance of these shops and probably do not move their MHs to get there.

Geoff

Campsite dwellers! sounds as if anyone staying on a site could be classed as a “traveller”. I get more exercise when staying on a site with my motorhome than I ever did when I had a caravan. I use my legs, bike or bus to get to shops if I haven’t stopped on the way to the site to stock up. Part of the fun when in France etc is cycling to the local shops. Have missed that this year.

 

[tribalbrit]

Mr R and I... In my humble opinion, you have a great deal still left to learn about motorhomers.

I doubt you are what I would call a "real motorhomer".

From the very few posts you have to your name so far, I guess that you are a weekend and holiday "motorhomer" restricting youself to staying on sites for a few days every year.

Whilst I may not be a "saviour of the economy", in these last two days, I have spent €261 at the local garage, €191 + €13 at the local insurance broker, €65 at the local council office, €17 at the local Portuguese run supermarket, €30 at the local gas supplying petrol station, €21 at a local restaurant and €70 on diesel at my local garage.

The VIP Funster who has honoured me with a visit these last few weeks has taken it upon himself to try to "save the (local) economy" by purchasing a considerable (but not excessive) amount of (Portuguese) amber nectar.

JJ

PS. Please never try to guess what I know or don't know...

medal for you then.

 

[JJ]

medal for you then.

I don't need a medal thank you... what I need is less factually incorrect verbal diarrhoea about motorhomers who don't pay to be on campsites which are often frequented by some of the types you see on this thread.

JJ

 

[tribalbrit]

Don't think it's verbal diarrhoea if it's written down.

 

[JJ]

Don't think it's verbal diarrhoea if it's written down.

Very very weak attempt at point scoring... please try harder...

(Your attempt at sarcasm leaves a bit to be desired too... )


JJ

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[joe and sue]

We have just spent a couple of days at the National Arboretum, and stayed over for a couple of nights , no campsites close by, so asked at a pub if we could book a table for the evening meal and could we stray overnight in corner of the car park, all made very welcome and after a long chat with the landlord over a drink, we have introduced him to allowing stop overs if using the pub, incidentally we spent about £80.00 with him over the 2 days, for 2 of us.
He has asked us not to post his pub for now until he sorts out how he will be managing the parking, but all looks good.
For us this is what motorhome life is all about.

 

[Potty]

Sorry if it was a little over your head! Supermarkets are not "local businesses". They may employ local people, but apart from wages and business rates, very little goes back into the local economy. Local business is the greengrocer, butcher, corner store and many more independants.

But for those including us, who are away many weekends, the van is stocked before we go. On a weekend away there is no point in spending time shopping. So for those shorter trips, the local economy gets very little.

So where do supermarket staff spend their wages? Not all of it in the supermarket where they work. Any business that is paying wages is supporting the local economy by providing jobs. Do you only do your shopping in the area where you live in small, independent shops or do you also use the local supermarket? Where does the food you take for your weekends come from? The corner shop or a supermarket. Maybe the economics of small towns is above your head!

 

[Rapido925M]

Perhaps the view of your motorhome parked at that beauty spot is spoiling others view of that spot or being able to take advantage of the view you are enjoying.

That is an argument for banning PARKING at beauty spots throughout the day.

Parking overnight (erroneously referred to as CAMPING) does no further damage to somebody’s view because it is probably too dark to appreciate it.

Gordon

 

[Rapido925M]

I'm not against "wild camping" in a motorhome and may even give it a go one day. But I think your examples are rather extreme.

On a 6 day trip through Scotland our motorhome was on a site for 85% of the time (6 nights), was travelling for 10% of the time and parked off site for 5% of the time. In terms of use of free or wild parking resources, twenty motorhomes with that footprint would be equivalent to one "wild camping" motorhome using those resources 100% of the time.

Each to their own but I wonder if you have considered a caravan?

June2019 we spent 26 nights away from home: 2 days getting to Oban using Britstops, 21 nights in Hebrides, 3 nights coming home using Britstops. Average 75 miles per day, £6.54 per day for overnighting.
We stayed on one campsite for 2 consecutive nights because of bad weather (£16pn) and 2 consecutive nights on a community spot (£5) with lovely views and beach
Apr2018 was Spain , averaging 92 miles per day and €2,55 overnight (1campsite & 3 camperstops in 26days)
Sep2018 was Germany: 80 miles pd, €6.32 (1 campsite & 6camperstops/marinas)
And so it goes on.

I don’t think that I spoiled anyone’s views on all of those times that I was a FLT: in fact I’m confident that I didn’t!

As I said, each to their own. Enjoy your MH as you see fit.

Gordon

 

[joe and sue]

Each to their own but I wonder if you have considered a caravan?

June2019 we spent 26 nights away from home: 2 days getting to Oban using Britstops, 21 nights in Hebrides, 3 nights coming home using Britstops. Average 75 miles per day, £6.54 per day for overnighting.
We stayed on one campsite for 2 consecutive nights because of bad weather (£16pn) and 2 consecutive nights on a community spot (£5) with lovely views and beach
Apr2018 was Spain , averaging 92 miles per day and €2,55 overnight (1campsite & 3 camperstops in 26days)
Sep2018 was Germany: 80 miles pd, €6.32 (1 campsite & 6camperstops/marinas)
And so it goes on.

I don’t think that I spoiled anyone’s views on all of those times that I was a FLT: in fact I’m confident that I didn’t!

As I said, each to their own. Enjoy your MH as you see fit.

Gordon

That sounds great, do you have any idea on how much you contributed to the local economies each day ??

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[Rapido925M]

That sounds great, do you have any idea on how much you contributed to the local economies each day ??

At home we might have a Chinese, an Indian and fish n chips once per month but that would be extravagant! Similarly coffee and cake is once per month if we are lucky.
Our local pub closed 2y ago and is in the process of being bought by the community so we tend to drink at home.

Food is usually done in the van and bought from supermarkets with accessible car parking BUT we try really hard to BUY coffee, cakes, little treats in local shops to support the community (£5-10 per day?) It also gives us an opportunity to use their loos and ask them to fill up our water bottles (never been refused).
Usually we imbibe more whilst out and about, sampling local brews and possibly stocking up on things that we like. So another situation where the locals get a bigger spend than our home town!

We may not be the last of the big spenders but as Tesco says “every little helps “

Gordon

 

[joe and sue]

At home we might have a Chinese, an Indian and fish n chips once per month but that would be extravagant! Similarly coffee and cake is once per month if we are lucky.
Our local pub closed 2y ago and is in the process of being bought by the community so we tend to drink at home.

Food is usually done in the van and bought from supermarkets with accessible car parking BUT we try really hard to BUY coffee, cakes, little treats in local shops to support the community (£5-10 per day?) It also gives us an opportunity to use their loos and ask them to fill up our water bottles (never been refused).
Usually we imbibe more whilst out and about, sampling local brews and possibly stocking up on things that we like. So another situation where the locals get a bigger spend than our home town!

We may not be the last of the big spenders but as Tesco says “every little helps “

Gordon

Thanks, not being nosey, but looking at average spend per day per unit for when i meet with our council about providing more overnight parking with sleeping, no camping activities, wheels only on ground,

 

[Rapido925M]

Sad spreadsheet geek that I am:

Food and drink per day
Spain = €18.69
Germany = €13.18
Hebrides = £12.81

We may have been slightly overweight coming home from Spain!
Gordon

 

[bigtwin]

Don't think it's verbal diarrhoea if it's written down.

You are confusing verbal and oral.

Verbal diarrhoea is often in a written form.

Ian

 

[tribalbrit]

You are confusing verbal and oral.

Verbal diarrhoea is often in a written form.

Ian

No. Verbal.. spoken rather than written down.

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[bigtwin]

No. Verbal.. spoken rather than written down.

I think you’ll find ‘verbal’ relates to words be they spoken or written.

Ian

 

[MC 55 FUN]

No. Verbal.. spoken rather than written down.

Meaning of verbal diarrhoea in English




verbal diarrhoea
noun [ U ]
informal humorous

UK

/ˌvɜː.bəl daɪ.əˈriː.ə/ US

/ˌvɝː.bəl daɪ.əˈriː.ə/


have verbal diarrhoea
to talk continuously or too much

 

[Coolcats]

Because of the Covid 19 situation We reflected on what it would take to be self sustainable food wise for two weeks, and cannot believe how relatively simple it has been. We purchased a domestic freezer box it has 38 litre capacity and will freeze food to minus 20c. You do need mains power but it will also keep food frozen for hours whilst driving and not connected to a hook up.

it’s not a big unit and once on site we place the box under the awning, the only issue I had was CAMC saying I could not use a power splitter to connect a second hook up cable

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[Clipgate]

Very much similar situation in Folkestone, no campervan parking on the seafront wardens employed over weekends and evenings to enforce, shopping centre in decline. Shopping centres are all in financial difficulty, online companies are hiring more staff, possibly tells the future, office staff urged to return to work when companies realise the financial benefits of staying at home. So when you think carefully office buildings and shopping centres for the backbone of many passion portfolio's, and the investment merry-go-round. (You hold the debt, they hold the power).
The changes are interesting, the reactions maybe even more interesting from a distant planet!

 

[mitzimad]

There is something between fully equipped campsites and free loading, CLs have basic pitches and water and waste .
It is surprising that some people behave in the way they do, the environment appears to mean nothing to them.

cls are hardly ever where people want to be aires like canterbury are what we need

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[Lenny HB]

FLT put far more into the local economy if they are like us. If stopping somewhere for free we will probably eat out 3 times sometimes 4 times a week. On the rare occasion we have to pay for a site we either don't eat out or maybe only once a week. Similarly we will have far more coffee's & beers out if stopping for free.

 

[bigtwin]

Meaning of verbal diarrhoea in English




verbal diarrhoea
noun [ U ]
informal humorous

UK

/ˌvɜː.bəl daɪ.əˈriː.ə/ US

/ˌvɝː.bəl daɪ.əˈriː.ə/


have verbal diarrhoea
to talk continuously or too much

Other definitions are available.

Ian

 

[Ivory55]

cls are hardly ever where people want to be aires like canterbury are what we need

In life lots of people need, but how many actually get.

 

[2657]

Because of the Covid 19 situation We reflected on what it would take to be self sustainable food wise for two weeks, and cannot believe how relatively simple it has been. We purchased a domestic freezer box it has 38 litre capacity and will freeze food to minus 20c. You do need mains power but it will also keep food frozen for hours whilst driving and not connected to a hook up.

it’s not a big unit and once on site we place the box under the awning, the only issue I had was CAMC saying I could not use a power splitter to connect a second hook up cable

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We have a connector on the van end of our hook up cable with a covered socket outlet.
It is a continental socket, I think I ordered it from Germany, very useful.
I don't know if the CMC would consider it a splitter but we have used it on their sites.

 

[Coolcats]

We have a connector on the van end of our hook up cable with a covered socket outlet.
It is a continental socket, I think I ordered it from Germany, very useful.
I don't know if the CMC would consider it a splitter but we have used it on their sites.

Sounds like a plan, thank you I will have a search for one

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