Michelin Agilis Cross Climate tyres

[TeamBandS]

For tyre pressures, use this calculator, if you use a weigh bridge put in actual axle weights, if not use the plated axle weights.

Motorhome Tyre Pressure Calculator | TyreSafe

Our motorhome tyre pressure calculator gives you the correct pressures for your motorhome. Check your tyres regularly for your safety.

www.tyresafe.org

Many thanks for this link. However, it does show some interesting/confusing results...

Motorhome 3500kg Max running weight Front 1650kg Rear 1850kg (rear axil rated at max 2000kg)

Current factory fitted tyres : Mich Agilis 225/75 R16 116 CP. Hymer recommended pressures 80psi front and rear.

Results using this tyre size and the weights above - only changes being upping the load rating and changing from a CP tyre to a C tyre...

225/75 R16 116 CP 65 front 80 rear
225/75 R16 118 CP 51 front 80 rear

225/75 R16 118/116 C 51 front 59 rear

This would seem to state that upping the load rating from 116 to 118 enables the lowering of front pressure by 14 psi when using CP rated tyres.

Upping the load rating and changing from a CP tyre to a C tyre lowers the pressures at the front and rear (65 down to 51 and 80 down to 59)

 

[MITHRANDIR]

If you are running at 80psi, have you still got all your fillings?, if you are the ride must be incredibly harsh.

 

[TeamBandS]

Actually, I agree that the ride is firm but OK. Test drove several other MHs and the Hymer with 80psi had the best ride and driving feel!

Does anyone have a view on why a C rated tyre has such a lower recommended tyre pressure than a CP tyre given the stated load ratings?

 

[TinaLes]

Actually, I agree that the ride is firm but OK. Test drove several other MHs and the Hymer with 80psi had the best ride and driving feel!

Does anyone have a view on why a C rated tyre has such a lower recommended tyre pressure than a CP tyre given the stated load ratings?

CP denoted Motor Home tyre, so thick sidewalls to allow for long periods of being layed up, C rated is for a van tyre that doesn't have these thick sidewalls apparently, it gets confusing every time we argue with the high pressures that Michelin insist on for CP tyres.
Does this help from Google:
LES
* “CP” after the rim diameter code denotes a commercial vehicle tyre for service on motorhomes. “C” would denote a standard light commercial tyre. ** CP-type tyres usually only have a single load index indicating their normal use as a single fitment.

 

[TeamBandS]

I would hazard a guess that the CP tyres harder side walls need the extra pressure to stop them flexing?? C tyres designed for more flex therefore a lower pressure? This is just me trying to sort it in my head and not based on any claimed expertise or knowledge!

Out of interest, are all new MH fitted with CP tyres? Anyone out there checked new MH tyres? My understanding is that only Italy insist on CP rated tyres for MHs.

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[Chipster]

Just wondering if CP Tyres are Motorhome specific, why don’t Michelin do a CP tyre with a 121 load rating?

 

[Ernesto]

Useful thread this ... got to to remember throughout all of this, personal experience of a tyre will depend on many factors. It does seem that Michelin have identified a market opportunity and, in the CP tyre, have built something to try and steal a march.

But producing a tyre that can stand for ages without deforming, and is inflated to 80 PSI, MUST have some trade-offs in ride quality - otherwise its defying the laws of physics. And I'm not surprised Michelin are recommending it for all campers ...having developed the tyre, they would have to. I'm not accusing them of bad advice...its just advice that suits them

My 3500Kg Adria PVC came shod with Michelin Camping tyres...the ride is hard but acceptable and given the lack of use in the last 18 months, I'm quite glad they wont deform ...but ongoing, once we're free again, I will fit something more forgiving

 

[Lenny HB]

Out of interest, are all new MH fitted with CP tyres? Anyone out there checked new MH tyres? My understanding is that only Italy insist on CP rated tyres for MHs.

Yep, quite a few any Motorhome with a single wheel single axle rated over 2500 won't have them. Heavier vans on Ivecor & the heavier Merc chassis won't have them. Even on their lighter models N&B fit Conti 4 seasons.

 

[TeamBandS]

I'm off for my first outing next week and plan to call in at a couple of dealers and will check out what new MHs have fitted from new. The letter from Michelin on the first "page" of this thread would seem to state that their official view is only CP tyres are suitable! If main MH manufactures are selling their products without feeling that they need to be shod with CP tyres and haven't been suited by anyone, could it be that the Michelin response has more to do with their sales than facts? Check out post well put from Ernesto above.

Millions of £s worth of MH are on the road just in the UK - would it be too much to ask for undisputed facts on the legality of tyres? (Fully accepting that different types/makes of tyre are prefered by individuals)

 

[Lenny HB]

A lot of new vans are coming with the new version of the Conti Vanco Camper which has the 3 peaks rating.

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[Sianna]

Just WOW! New CC tyres fitted on Friday - departed today on our first trip following lockdown lifting and even my good lady noticed the difference, no more rattles, such a smooth ride, less road noise and the ride was 100% imporoved - never goin back at this rate. Only traveled an hour from home for the first trip but what a substantial difference.

Although I did think my old tyres were 2015 but it turns out they were 2012 so the orginal tyres - so Im glad I changed all 4

 

[poppycamper]

Wow great news Sianna... nice to get confirmation that I have not been talking shite about... IMV.. these outstanding tyres for last 3 yrs. They have certainly got me out of muddy fields that others required 4x4 help.

 

[Sianna]

Wow great news Sianna... nice to get confirmation that I have not been talking shite about... IMV.. these outstanding tyres for last 3 yrs. They have certainly got me out of muddy fields that others required 4x4 help.

I do cycle races through the winter amd lark on a number of muddy fields so fingers crossed they will give that additional traction

 

[Keithh]

In support of Michelin Agrilis Tyres and to try and balance the argument, I can report that on a 3500kg MH I have covered 34000 miles in 5 years on these tyres and having done a front to back change, still have 4mm of tread on all the tyres across the whole of the tyre. Ride could probably be softer but I have had no grip problems and on the few occasions I have had to break hard, they have preformed very well. I appreciate that tyres are a personal choice and different drivers will prefer different tyres but I do not believe that it is fair to completely castigate these tyres and rubbish them as if it is an absolute fact. I have asked many owners who have these tyres and I personal have yet to meet anyone who believes that they are not fit for purpose. Many newbys come on this site to gain knowledge and if they only read some of the comments above they would come away with a very one sided view. Oh, and I have again just checked my 5 year old 34K mile tyres and I can find no cracking anywhere - and please dont have a go as I am not doubting that members above who have had issues - just stating that I have not.

 

[Keithh]

In support of Michelin Agrilis Tyres and to try and balance the argument, I can report that on a 3500kg MH I have covered 34000 miles in 5 years on these tyres and having done a front to back change, still have 4mm of tread on all the tyres across the whole of the tyre. Ride could probably be softer but I have had no grip problems and on the few occasions I have had to break hard, they have preformed very well. I appreciate that tyres are a personal choice and different drivers will prefer different tyres but I do not believe that it is fair to completely castigate these tyres and rubbish them as if it is an absolute fact. I have asked many owners who have these tyres and I personal have yet to meet anyone who believes that they are not fit for purpose. Many newbys come on this site to gain knowledge and if they only read some of the comments above they would come away with a very one sided view. Oh, and I have again just checked my 5 year old 34K mile tyres and I can find no cracking anywhere - and please dont have a go as I am not doubting that members above who have had issues - just stating that I have not.

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[WoldsSunlight]

I changed all 4 of my original Michelin Agilis CP tyres for Michelin Cross Climates prior to my trip to Germany in December. My view: smoother ride, possibly lower road noise (hard to quantify accurately,) and good handling throughout rain, sleet and snow. I run mine at 65psi front, 72 psi rear. BTW, if you are involved in a road accident in Germany, irrespective of fault, and your vehicle does not have winter rated tyres on during the winter months, you could be fined, and/or your vehicle confiscated. Also, in extremis escorted to a tyre fitter to change tyres!! Ordinary Agilis CP are not winter rated, hence why I changed mine.

 

[Keithh]

Our T670 (3300kg) has also covered 34000 miles on Agelis CP tyres across 6 years with 4mm of tread left after swapping front and back. Never had a problem with grip including being caught out with a -2c snow storm on the northern Portuguese autopista over the mountains in March 2017, first time they had seen snow in 10 years, just my luck! About to change them and was considering the cross climate Agelis but think I will stick with the CP as van spends most winters on the hard standing aside from monthly warm up trips

 

[Aji]

I changed all 4 of my original Michelin Agilis CP tyres for Michelin Cross Climates prior to my trip to Germany in December. My view: smoother ride, possibly lower road noise (hard to quantify accurately,) and good handling throughout rain, sleet and snow. I run mine at 65psi front, 72 psi rear. BTW, if you are involved in a road accident in Germany, irrespective of fault, and your vehicle does not have winter rated tyres on during the winter months, you could be fined, and/or your vehicle confiscated. Also, in extremis escorted to a tyre fitter to change tyres!! Ordinary Agilis CP are not winter rated, hence why I changed mine.

Are you sure about the winter rating?
On the Michelin site it says they are marked M+S, suitable for mud and snow.

 

[Speve]

Definitely M&S

 

[poppycamper]

M+S does not necessary make the tyre a winter tyre. I believe the M+S markings simply refer to they tyre having a chunkier tread more suitable to grip in mud and snow but tread compound it not suitable for colder temperatures...
For a true winter/all season tyre you need the three mountain peak symbol which these days usually also has M+S.

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[Northern Boy]

M + S marking is not accepted in many European countries as a winter tyre.

M+S does not necessary make the tyre a winter tyre. I believe the M+S markings simply refer to they tyre having a chunkier tread more suitable to grip in mud and snow but tread compound it not suitable for colder temperatures...
For a true winter/all season tyre you need the three mountain peak symbol which these days usually also has M+S.

I was just typing the same information and you beat me to it.

 

[poppycamper]

I was just typing the same information and you beat me to it.

Yea I was fed up being beaten on the keyboard so I have enrolled my fingers in a strict fitness protocol at local Gym.
Feck they now like "grease lighting" Awsome.

 

[Speve]

Yea I was fed up being beaten on the keyboard so I have enrolled my fingers in a strict fitness protocol at local Gym.
Feck they now like "grease lighting" Awsome.

If you look at my post #109 you will see they have three peaks badge

 

[poppycamper]

If you look at my post #109 you will see they have three peaks badge

Sorry I can't make out from your post if they are Agilis Camping or Agilis Cross Climate.
The top post does mention camping but I can't see 3peak. The bottom does mention 3peak but not camping.
Lots of confusion over these tyres..
Agilis Camping are NOT the same as Agilis Cross Climate.

 

[Speve]

Sorry I can't make out from your post if they are Agilis Camping or Agilis Cross Climate.
The top post does mention camping but I can't see 3peak. The bottom does mention 3peak but not camping.
Lots of confusion over these tyres..
Agilis Camping are NOT the same as Agilis Cross Climate.

The picture is Crossclimate and it’s the left hand badge under the word crossclimate.
I don’t think you will find that they are branded Agilis? I have them on my 4x4 Panda and they are certainly not camper tyres but I would think great van tyres.

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[poppycamper]

The picture is Crossclimate and it’s the left hand badge under the word crossclimate.
I don’t think you will find that they are branded Agilis? I have them on my 4x4 Panda and they are certainly not camper tyres but I would think great van tyres.

Sorry my apologies, my Panda also has Cross Climate tyres.
However I thought we were discussing motorhome/van based tyres.
All Michilen van based tyres are Agilis tyres...
Agilis Camper, Agilis Alpin and Agilis Cross Climate. So as your Panda or indeed any car that do not need van type tyres do not have the Agilis prefix.
As I stated I don't believe the Agilis Camper has 3peak.

 

[Speve]

As I stated I don't believe the Agilis Camper has 3peak

 

[poppycamper]

Speve ...You keep posting information for Michelin Agilis Cross Climate tyres..
As I have stated above these are not the same as Michelin Agilis Camper Tyres which I believe do not have 3peak markings...

 

[Speve]

Speve ...You keep posting information for Michelin Agilis Cross Climate tyres..
As I have stated above these are not the same as Michelin Agilis Camper Tyres which I believe do not have 3peak markings...

Apologies the Agilis Alpin is a winter tire with three peaks

 

[Lenny HB]

Are you sure about the winter rating?
On the Michelin site it says they are marked M+S, suitable for mud and snow.

WoldsSunlight was talking about the CP (camping tyre) which is M&S rated but does not have the 3 peaks symbol for the winter rating required by most countries.

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