Michelin Agilis Cross Climate tyres

[PepnKook]

Tyres are subjective and the users choice. To say "they are crap" is helpful to no one and isn't going to change anyone's mind. It'll all be down to user experience. No doubt that once a user settles on a tyre they like, no other tyre is any good as far as they are concerned.

Same with MH manufacturers....once you've got your "one", as far as you're concerned, that's the best there is.

From experience, I went for standard van tyres on a 3500kg chassis and they were TBH terrifying! Switched to Michelin camping and they were perfect. The original tyres on the van were Michelin and they did have signs of splitting after 40,000 miles and 10 years but to be expected. Passed two MOT's with advisories on them.

When we bought our new MH, it was shod with the same Michelin and on our journeys so far, they have been fantastic, including a rain soaked 20 mile drive up and down a switchback to Lago di Ledro where we had excellent road holding and braking performance and gave me total confidence.

 

[Lenny HB]

Same with MH manufacturers....once you've got your "one", as far as you're concerned, that's the best there is.

Nope, I have a Hymer it's OK for a mid range van but nothing special.
My comment on Michelin tyres is obviously only based on my experience all I can say is the camping tyres have the worse grip I on a Motorhome I've ever known.

 

[Sianna]

I’ve ordered a set of these as I think they sound better than high branded camping specific tyres. But a question the size on my MOHO at present are 215/70 R15 109 R the new Michelin CC are 215/70 R15 107/109 R is this an acceptable replacement - not sure what 107/109 is unless it’s a range

 

[SandraL]

I’ve ordered a set of these as I think they sound better than high branded camping specific tyres. But a question the size on my MOHO at present are 215/70 R15 109 R the new Michelin CC are 215/70 R15 107/109 R is this an acceptable replacement - not sure what 107/109 is unless it’s a range

Tyre load rating, how many kg it can support, see link below

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[Lenny HB]

107/109 is the load index, the first figure 107 is for a twin wheel axles and the second figurer is for single wheel axles.
107 is 950kg, 109 is 975kg.
As you are not using camping tyres it is best to have the tyre load index 10% higher than your max loading.

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[Sianna]

Thanks - very helpful-I’m on singles

 

[Sianna]

Does this mean I should’ve gone higher by 10% to 119?

 

[Lenny HB]

Does this mean I should’ve gone higher by 10% to 119?

What is your rear axle load.

 

[Sianna]

Sorry I have no idea, how would I find that out?

 

[Lenny HB]

Sorry I have no idea, how would I find that out?

It will be on the converter plate.
Assuming your Swift is 3500kg gross it will probably be 2000k so minium tyre load would need to be 1000kg preferably 1100kg.
That translates to 108 = 1000kg, 111 = 1090kg.

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[Sianna]

Thanks I’ll check, can this go back to 109 if they are camper tyres? Was hoping to go winter/all season instead but not at the expense of safety!

 

[Lenny HB]

Thanks I’ll check, can this go back to 109 if they are camper tyres? Was hoping to go winter/all season instead but not at the expense of safety!

Yes but Check your rear axle first.

 

[MITHRANDIR]

I have had most makes of tyre at one time or another, and can state with confidence that the michelin camper tyres are harsh, don't grip very well, give a dreadful ride.
I have just had a new set of crossclimate tyres fitted and can state with confidence that they are the best all round tyre i have used up to present, quiet, exceptional grip wet or dry,long lived.
Based on use on two A class vans, and now a pvc.
Michelin agillis camper tyres are not in the same class as the crossclimate imv.

 

[Clipgate]

Judge for yourself, fitted 2019 8000 miles Continental CP tyres. Second pair to suffer the same SIP area cracking. Over the same period Hankook C tyres less wear no cracks etc.

 

[ManTheVan]

To answer the OP’s question, we fitted Agilis Cross Climates last year. Admittedly, we haven’t exactly done thousands of miles, but the tyres themselves were a revelation. The Vanco CPs that were on before gave a horribly hard ride. The Agilis CCs totally transformed the handling, comfort and road feel. Amazing tyres and I would recommend them unreservedly.

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[poppycamper]

I am extremely glad to read this post....I have been praising Cross Climates no end for the past 3years but seem to have be in the whole ignored!!!!!... as others have said world apart from camping tyres and also other all season van tyres.

 

[dunnah01]

12th April will be interesting - after months of being sat sitting will the van tyres fitted to moho's have flat spots or not? Watch this space.....

 

[RobPeel]

Hmmm, good morning from sunny Snowdonia. As the OP, I can report the Cross Climate tyres I fitted are far superior than the Vanco tyres I previously had. Much more comfortable, much better grip. A little softer into cornering. Quieter. Obviously not done huge mileage, but happy with choice.

 

[Sianna]

Yes but Check your rear axle first.

Found it! Also checked the numbers and on the site its listed as the tyres are 109/107 so the other way round to what I stated - so I take it these are not good for my heavy home?

 

[Lenny HB]

Found it! View attachment 481351

So you need a tyre with a minium load rating of 1000kg preferably 1100kg.

Worth weighing the axles when fully loaded for a trip if you are on or over the limit you might want to upgrade the rear axle and part of that would mean 225 section tyres.

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[Sianna]

So you need a tyre with a minium load rating of 1000kg preferably 1100kg.

Thanks for your help. really appriciated - so confusing!

So the tyres that are on are the vehicle at present are also

Continental Vanco Camper 215/70 15R which are also listed as 109/107 on Kwik fit site​

 

[Lenny HB]

You can check on your tyres it's the 3 figures after the R15.

 

[Sianna]

Yes it says 109 on the Continental vanco that are on

 

[Northern Boy]

Tyres, a whole world in its self.

My car has three sets of tyres and these are easy the change as I keep them on steel rims, so just like changing a flat and I can do it at home.
My MH has one set of Full Winter/Ice Tryes with deep tread (non Studded) on all year. I make the choice not to go out in the MH when we have Ice or packed snow on the roads (Jan, Feb, Mar). But I could go out its just my choice as I can use the car with studded tyres to get stuff.

On the car.......

1. Cross Climate with the three peaks mountain sign for summer use.
2. Full winter/ice tyres (non Studded) for winter use when I need to travel into a studded Tyre banned winter area (UK).
3. Full winter/Ice tyres (Studded) for winter use in Baltic's and further north.

I have learnt a lot in the years I have lived in Northern Europe. Its all about temperature and texture. Winter tyres are made from a compound of rubber that stays softer in colder conditions. Siping is the thin slits in the rubber to help with snow and ice.

Grass, Mud, soft Snow: UK ish weather spring, summer, fall, requires deep tread, open groves (think tractor tyre)

When it gets colder (Below 7 C): Softer rubber compound required.

Ice and packed snow: Studded tyres.

Don't be fooled by the Three mountain peaks sign as being OK for ice and snow, up here they laugh at these tyres and say they are for the central European softies!

So to get to the point, its all about where you want to go, when and if you can be bothered to change your tyres. The best advise I was given was to spend the money, I was told that cheap studded tyres are as good as expensive non studded tyres. If you are going to walk up a mountain don't wear flip flops.

Living in the UK and going over the channel to France, Denmark, Spain, Germany etc then your 'cross climate tyres are are great all round Tyre. If you like going down dirt/gravel tracks and crossing muddy fields add a bit of tractor type tread.

Living further north like I do a 'cross climate Tyre' is also a good general Tyre but ones designed for Nordic countries.

Living and being in southern Europe will require a Tyre dependent on what you do too.

As with everything else in life, there are as many answers as there are people. Do your research, listen to more than one Tyre dealer, remember every Tyre is a compromise. If you only drove on dry warm tarmac then slicks would be OK!

 

[Sianna]

I am extremely glad to read this post....I have been praising Cross Climates no end for the past 3years but seem to have be in the whole ignored!!!!!... as others have said world apart from camping tyres and also other all season van tyres.

Sounds good, look forward to trying out the CC's when they are fittend On Wednesday

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[rajohno]

I just don't like the 80psi across the board that Michelin recommend for their camper rated tyre's, a bit odf a cop out by Michelin if you ask me, not all Motorhomes and campervans weigh the same, I have Uniroyal rain Max C rated tyres and find them perfect for my MH using oem recommended pressures of 59 front 65psi rear, which with Michelin camper tyres at 80psi would be like riding a concrete slab

 

[MITHRANDIR]

60psi all round for me, gives good ride quality without compromise on handling

 

[TeamBandS]

Can I ask what is the recommended tyre pressures are for Cross Climate tyres - 225 70 R16 116 on a 3500kg Hymer?

As everyone has said the camping tyres are stated as 80psi!

Additionally, can anyone give an opinion regarding the tyre noise between the Camping tyres and the cross climate?

Thanks...

 

[MITHRANDIR]

Tyre pressure depends on axle weight on your setup, i would suggest 60psi all round to start, the 80psi figure is max pressure
tyre noise is less with the cross climate, the ride is like night and day though, much, much better with the cc, grip will be massively improved.

 

[rajohno]

For tyre pressures, use this calculator, if you use a weigh bridge put in actual axle weights, if not use the plated axle weights.

Motorhome Tyre Pressure Calculator | TyreSafe

Our motorhome tyre pressure calculator gives you the correct pressures for your motorhome. Check your tyres regularly for your safety.

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