Interesting EV fuel cost example

[Wack]

There's a retired guy on tiktok who makes videos about how much money he's saving with his EV Hyundai Kona and solar

A pensioner who always charges at home so he never goes anywhere in it and he's completely ignoring the £40,000 he spent on the car and the £32,000 on solar and batteries, deluded, even if there is a saving he'll be long dead before it arrives

I'll stick with my 2006 Supercharged Range Rover

 

[Folkranger]

Obviously when enough vehicles are electric, competition and volume will ensure the prices stay the same to make massive profits !

You clearly don't understand the nature of competition.

 

[PaulyP]

You clearly don't understand the nature of competition.

If prices of EVs drop they will find some other way to rip off people, they will still want the big profits.

 

[enark]

If prices of EVs drop they will find some other way to rip off people, they will still want the big profits.

And the government will tax them….

 

[Tombola]

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[Tombola]

Nothing wrong with taxes. they pay for all manner of things.
Pay your taxes I say

 

[Coolcats]

Nothing wrong with taxes. they pay for all manner of things.
Pay your taxes I say

I agree with this, we all need our bins emptied.

 

[Tombola]

Did you know that more electricity is used to refine and pump enough petrol/diesel to drive a car 100 miles, than the amount of electricity it would take to drive a car 100 miles?

course you didn't, why would you

 

[Tombola]

Oh, and Ill leave this here a sec.
and in the famous words of Sesame street, One of these things is not like the other ones....can you guess which one it is ???
What are engine bo locks made of again ! exhausts anyone, pass me some clutch metal will ya, oh and dont forget them petrol tanks, discs, carbs, manifolds, gears and a box to hold them, yadda, yadda, yadda.
What more efficient ? naaaah.

 

[AndyPK]

Cost was £3.70 for the outward journey and £13.32 for the return after topping up at my brothers house at approx 30p per kWh, he is near the end of a fixed tariff. That is a total cost of £17.02 compared to say approx £60 for an ICE car with 40 mpg?

I assume your brother has off-road parking then to allow you to charge…..?

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[Oldrat]

Oh, and Ill leave this here a sec.
and in the famous words of Sesame street, One of these things is not like the other ones....can you guess which one it is ???
What are engine bo locks made of again ! exhausts anyone, pass me some clutch metal will ya, oh and dont forget them petrol tanks, discs, carbs, manifolds, gears and a box to hold them, yadda, yadda, yadda.
What more efficient ? naaaah.

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Just read the Volvo report above about the mahoosive carbon footprint created just for obtaining the raw materials for an EV.
An ICE vehicle often has a lower carbon footprint right for the first 70,000 miles.

 

[Tombola]

I assume your brother has off-road parking then to allow you to charge…..?

not a problem

 

[Tombola]

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Just read the Volvo report above about the mahoosive carbon footprint created just for obtaining the raw materials for an EV.
An ICE vehicle often has a lower carbon footprint right for the first 70,000 miles.

of course, none of those things apply to ICE cars, they just get made and drop out of thin air, aswell as fuel to run them

 

[Folkranger]

If prices of EVs drop they will find some other way to rip off people, they will still want the big profits.

What's with the attitude? Who are they? Are you against all business? Do you think profit is a dirty word? How do you think jobs get created?

 

[chrisgreen]

of course, none of those things apply to ICE cars, they just get made and drop out of thin air, aswell as fuel to run them

As far as I'm aware the fuel for ice cars comes out of the pump at the petrol forecourts that pumps it out a big reservoir underneath the petrol station depending how deep the pump pipe goes is what fuel you get diesel being heavier than petrol sits at the bottom and petrol sits at the top so no need for refining and transport.

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[jongood]

And the government will tax them….

Yes they will but will the average motorist or householder feel the benefit? Probably not. I'm not generally in favour of price fixing but in the case of electricity and gas think that there should be a peg to the price of crude.

 

[Coolcats]

We have had a Tesla Model Y since 28 September and love it. Can’t see us going back.

The driveability, the performance and the running costs are all fantastic. It is also 4 wheel drive so feels safer on the road as well.

We are on the Octopus Go tariff at 7.5p per kWh (for 4 hours overnight) which gives us a running cost of around 2p per mile under current driving conditions (less in Summer).

Last weekend we visited my Brother and drove from Mid Sussex to Codsall Staffs, 185 miles. We started with 95% battery and had 25% remaining on arrival after driving Motorway speeds all the way.

Our consumption was 3.66 miles per kWh and our useable battery is 75 kWh so equivalent range is 275 miles.

Cost was £3.70 for the outward journey and £13.32 for the return after topping up at my brothers house at approx 30p per kWh, he is near the end of a fixed tariff. That is a total cost of £17.02 compared to say approx £60 for an ICE car with 40 mpg?

If he had an EV tariff similar to mine the return cost would have been £7.50 for 370 miles.

One of the most impressive aspects for me is the regenerative braking which means you almost exclusively use the accelerator pedal only, so I don’t see any need for brake pads etc for a very long time.

Also very little servicing required, no moving parts etc.

All in all, if you are driving within the range of your car during the day and charging at home (with an overnight EV tariff) it is a very compelling proposition in our view.

That was not the point of the article, the journalist pointed out it was the cost of the public charging not home charging. When I was doing 45,000 miles per year it appears it would have cost much more than an ice vehicle.

I could replace our Golf with an EV as it mainly does local trips one vehicle I would not get due to Tesla’s odd owner is a Tesla his values and behaviour shouldn’t be rewarded and certainly do not reflect my own just like I would not by a Dyson. If I get a EV it would probably be a bmw I3 or vw ID3. Both nicer looking but as they say you pay your money and take your choice.

 

[Coolcats]

Oh, and Ill leave this here a sec.
and in the famous words of Sesame street, One of these things is not like the other ones....can you guess which one it is ???
What are engine bo locks made of again ! exhausts anyone, pass me some clutch metal will ya, oh and dont forget them petrol tanks, discs, carbs, manifolds, gears and a box to hold them, yadda, yadda, yadda.
What more efficient ? naaaah.

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This why space mining is of such interest

 

[PaulyP]

What's with the attitude? Who are they? Are you against all business? Do you think profit is a dirty word? How do you think jobs get created?

I am certainly not against business and obviously they have to make a profit or it wouldn’t be worth it to them, it’s on BBC news now about the big companies, shell as an example, making massive profits, and it all comes out of our pockets.
Profits should be regulated for all companies to keep the cost of living down, especially for a large proportion of the country who are finding things a massive struggle. Lots of people are being refused pay rises but large companies are making obscene profits, but I’m sure the politicians will find the money to award themselves good pay rises.

 

[MichaelT]

I am certainly not against business and obviously they have to make a profit or it wouldn’t be worth it to them, it’s on BBC news now about the big companies, shell as an example, making massive profits, and it all comes out of our pockets.
Profits should be regulated for all companies to keep the cost of living down, especially for a large proportion of the country who are finding things a massive struggle. Lots of people are being refused pay rises but large companies are making obscene profits, but I’m sure the politicians will find the money to award themselves good pay rises.

Most of the current wave of strikes are by people asking for massive pay rises yet most of them work for employers who do not make a profit e.g. trains, teachers, NHS, civil service etc. These peoples pay are paid for out of taxes which are paid for by about 10% of workers but mostly by companies making profits!

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[Coolcats]

Most of the current wave of strikes are by people asking for massive pay rises yet most of them work for employers who do not make a profit e.g. trains, teachers, NHS, civil service etc. These peoples pay are paid for out of taxes which are paid by about 10% of workers but mostly by companies making profits!

Interesting take, considering we all need these people whose pay has been eroded over the past decade. Given inflation is running at around the rate of what is being asked for its just people treading water not having increases in wages.

 

[Oldrat]

of course, none of those things apply to ICE cars, they just get made and drop out of thin air, aswell as fuel to run them

You obviously haven’t read any of the report.

Don’t be daft, if course ICE vehicles have a carbon foot print.

The point in the report is that the carbon foot print cost of making an EV is so much higher than an ICE vehicle and is only recouped if it’s kept in the road for much longer than the average bod keeps a car nowadays so be prepared to keep a car for life.

Carry on keeping your head in the sand and accept everything without question.

 

[PaulyP]

Most of the current wave of strikes are by people asking for massive pay rises yet most of them work for employers who do not make a profit e.g. trains, teachers, NHS, civil service etc. These peoples pay are paid for out of taxes which are paid for by about 10% of workers but mostly by companies making profits!

I think you will find that they are not necessarily wanting big pay rises but at least the cost of living rises as they are often offered less than the cost of living which in affect is a pay cut, also it’s more about conditions than money, and as I said politicians will always find the money to pay themselves, which also comes from our pockets, choice between the NHS and politicians! I know who I would give a big rise to.

 

[Tombola]

You obviously haven’t read any of the report.

Don’t be daft, if course ICE vehicles have a carbon foot print.

The point in the report is that the carbon foot print cost of making an EV is so much higher than an ICE vehicle and is only recouped if it’s kept in the road for much longer than the average bod keeps a car nowadays so be prepared to keep a car for life.

Carry on keeping your head in the sand and accept everything without question.

Ive read the same reports before plenty time. It has been argued for and against but they never take in the aspects of none EVs manufacturers satellite parts...fuel extraction ...parts transport...the list goes on.including the limitless recycling of the cars most expensive part.
Can't monies all round the world are moving from ice machines/generators to battery/wind powered not just cars. Factories camp sites..hotels..restaurants...hotels...blah blah.

It's not that i accept everything at all. If the statements were accurate I'd agree but again..you are one who reads something and accepts it..the very thing you accuse me of. Look.deeper and though shall see the truth my friend
Here is a nice diesel...20% efficient and an electric motor....90% efficient .

 

[SpeedyDux]

In reality that's the best time to buy. You can pick up a 13 year old Nissan Leaf for next to nothing and have exceptionally low runnining cost.

A Leaf that had how much range to begin with - was it about 70 miles on a full charge? At age 13 best case is that the range is 50 miles, and much less than that in winter. To live with that Leaf you have to forego luxuries like aircon during your commute. Still, it's very cheap ... for a good reason.

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[jongood]

I am certainly not against business and obviously they have to make a profit or it wouldn’t be worth it to them, it’s on BBC news now about the big companies, shell as an example, making massive profits, and it all comes out of our pockets.
Profits should be regulated for all companies to keep the cost of living down, especially for a large proportion of the country who are finding things a massive struggle. Lots of people are being refused pay rises but large companies are making obscene profits, but I’m sure the politicians will find the money to award themselves good pay rises.

Interestingly Shell are considering withdrawing from the UK utilities market because its not profitable enough for them. No I don't get it either but their share prices are not performing well at present.

 

[SpeedyDux]

You clearly don't understand the nature of competition.

When Shell just announced a profit of £58 Bn I tend to think that competition must have been on strike. Energy crisis? What energy crisis.

These multinational conglomerates (and social media giants) are becoming more powerful than many governments and they know it.

 

[Tombola]

Interestingly Shell are considering withdrawing from the UK utilities market because its not profitable enough for them. No I don't get it either but their share prices are not performing well at present.

Home energy in here Netherlands and Germany apparently too.

 

[Folkranger]

A Leaf that had how much range to begin with - was it about 70 miles on a full charge? At age 13 best case is that the range is 50 miles, and much less than that in winter. To live with that Leaf you have to forego luxuries like aircon during your commute. Still, it's very cheap ... for a good reason.

I quoted worst scenario. But even at 50 to 70 miles that would cover most driving for most people. My PHEV only does 19 miles on baattery and I get 90%+ of my driving within that range with air con and heated seats on. Today you buy an EV with a real world range of 250 miles and in 10 years it will still do over 200.

Just wondering whether you have owned an EV or is it just what you have read? Yes they're currently pricey and not for everyone but you can't damn them outright.

 

[Tombola]

Average miles driven per car owner UK per day...
20. Fact.

Heres the battery...

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