Interesting EV fuel cost example

If I was to equalise my small car directly against a comparable EV the following would have to apply:

First, real world range. The car's petrol tank would only hold 20 litres maximum. (So I could experience similar range anxiety)

Next, the time needed to refuel. The fastest petrol pump would dispense petrol only via a thin straw.
 
dunnah01 said:
How do you get onto these Uber cheap overnight tariffs. If I try to even get a quote there is nothing available from any supplier I've tried. I want it for heating the house but Lecky is lecky
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I think the suppliers have suspended EV tariffs at the mo, due to the cost of wholesale electricity. Certainly its a no from EDF and BG where I live
 
urban_biker said:
Some of the cost of fast commercial charging will probably reduce as more charging points are installed. I think some providers are just making hay due to the current limited number of chargers. 75p per kwh (instavolt) is pretty much price gouging IMHO although it doesn't stop me paying it when I have to.
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That's true. Forecourt petrol/diesel profits are said to be around 2%. (excluding current profiteering due to russia's war).
Fast charging at 69p/kwh is about 100% and superfast at £1/kwh is about 200% gross profit.

Obviously when enough vehicles are electric, competition and volume will ensure the prices drop to proper levels.
 
I'm sure the relativie costs of buying, running and taxing will all resolve themselves at some future date, so that aside:

One aspect not really covered here is electric cars are great to drive. They are quiet, have super fast acceleration, instant torque, do not need clutch or gears and have fewer moving parts to service or break down. Mostly you simply set the switch to forward or reverse and just use the accelerator pedal to drive off and brake.

Before anybody raises it, some have gone too far with digitising controls through touch screens which I find is the least ergonomic way to control a car's ancillarys, but that's a separate issue.

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Folkranger said:
That's true. Forecourt petrol/diesel profits are said to be around 2%. (excluding current profiteering due to russia's war).
Fast charging at 69p/kwh is about 100% and superfast at £1/kwh is about 200% gross profit.

Obviously when enough vehicles are electric, competition and volume will ensure the prices drop to proper levels.
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Where do you get those figures from? Electric costs for commercial use are not subject to the price cap, I think they are also subject to VAT @ 20% not 5% as on residential. For reference Tesla Supercharger prices are around 44p kw.
 
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Just be careful where you plug in!
 
Will a candle charge my EV if there’s a power cut 😂😂
 
Currently trying to order company car..... PHEV are a joke!!!! 12 month lead times and no guarantee of pricing after 3 months wait!!??
 
Folkranger said:
One aspect not really covered here is electric cars are great to drive. They are quiet, have super fast acceleration, instant torque, do not need clutch or gears and have fewer moving parts to service or break down. Mostly you simply set the switch to forward or reverse and just use the accelerator pedal to drive off and brake.
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Pretty much the same as our Peugeot (diesel) Automatic.
 
Fdhadi said:
Will a candle charge my EV if there’s a power cut 😂😂
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IMO V2? will be a game changer for many solar panel owners. although I looked at our runaround car with that in mind but then calculated it cost us tha huge sum of £700 last year (incl petrol)

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Would you buy a 5 or 10 year old EV in the future? Doubt it. The batteries will be on their way out and running below par.
What happens then? Scrap the car. buy another, so much for your carbon footprint then.
Just another ill thought out load of B******* from the powers that be.
30 years ago... diesel was the way to go. Now price is sky high.
20 years ago.. LPG was the way to go, price hike followed.
Now electric is a must have, highest electricity prices known to man.
Anyone see a pattern?

Con!
 
tribalbrit said:
Would you buy a 5 or 10 year old EV in the future? Doubt it. The batteries will be on their way out and running below par.
What happens then? Scrap the car. buy another, so much for your carbon footprint then.
Just another ill thought out load of B******* from the powers that be.
30 years ago... diesel was the way to go. Now price is sky high.
20 years ago.. LPG was the way to go, price hike followed.
Now electric is a must have, highest electricity prices known to man.
Anyone see a pattern?

Con!
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5 years..? Huh?
I know folk with 8 year old EVs and not a problem.

Another one bashing something they know zero about.

Not everyone buys just to run them forever you know and get the cheapest most miles they can.
Some folk do it cos they know it makes sense.

Do you also know what IS a material that we are destroying almost one million times faster than it is formed?

That we use 50 thousand times more than lithium per year?

And that we cannot recycle?

Oil My friend...
 
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As I said would you buy one at 10 or 8 years old?
And you your right You know nothing of what I know. Obviously!
 
tribalbrit said:
As I said would you buy one at 10 or 8 years old?
And you your right You know nothing of what I know. Obviously!
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Yes I would....but give me some facts...and I'll listen.until then its just noise . But don't worry I'll put you right.
 
Wh05apk said:
Where do you get those figures from? Electric costs for commercial use are not subject to the price cap, I think they are also subject to VAT @ 20% not 5% as on residential. For reference Tesla Supercharger prices are around 44p kw.
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Regardless, it's a whole lot more than 2% quoted for petrol/diesel. Tesla is an exception and showing the way that others have to go.

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cyberyacht said:
Oner aspect of this issue hasn't been mentioned and that is longevity either of the battery or the driver. Many of us are sufficiently long in the tooth that the decision is to continue with an ICE until either the vehicle or the driver keels over.
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I took the opposite view and bought electric to gain a fantastic driving experience before I kick my bucket.
 
tribalbrit said:
Would you buy a 5 or 10 year old EV in the future? Doubt it. The batteries will be on their way out and running below par.
What happens then? Scrap the car. buy another, so much for your carbon footprint then.
Just another ill thought out load of B******* from the powers that be.
30 years ago... diesel was the way to go. Now price is sky high.
20 years ago.. LPG was the way to go, price hike followed.
Now electric is a must have, highest electricity prices known to man.
Anyone see a pattern?

Con!
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On average, EV batteries only degrade at a rate of 2.3% of maximum capacity per year, so with proper care you can reliably expect your EV battery to last as long or longer than ICE drivetrain components. At the end of the vehicle life the batteries are reused as household powerbank storage.

So not a con!
 
tribalbrit said:
As I said would you buy one at 10 or 8 years old?
And you your right You know nothing of what I know. Obviously!
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In reality that's the best time to buy. You can pick up a 13 year old Nissan Leaf for next to nothing and have exceptionally low runnining cost.
 
Folkranger said:
On average, EV batteries only degrade at a rate of 2.3% of maximum capacity per year, so with proper care you can reliably expect your EV battery to last as long or longer than ICE drivetrain components. At the end of the vehicle life the batteries are reused as household powerbank storage.

So not a con!
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And recycled again and again..big future for redwood materials one of Tesla's.early boys.

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We have had a Tesla Model Y since 28 September and love it. Can’t see us going back.

The driveability, the performance and the running costs are all fantastic. It is also 4 wheel drive so feels safer on the road as well.

We are on the Octopus Go tariff at 7.5p per kWh (for 4 hours overnight) which gives us a running cost of around 2p per mile under current driving conditions (less in Summer).

Last weekend we visited my Brother and drove from Mid Sussex to Codsall Staffs, 185 miles. We started with 95% battery and had 25% remaining on arrival after driving Motorway speeds all the way.

Our consumption was 3.66 miles per kWh and our useable battery is 75 kWh so equivalent range is 275 miles.

Cost was £3.70 for the outward journey and £13.32 for the return after topping up at my brothers house at approx 30p per kWh, he is near the end of a fixed tariff. That is a total cost of £17.02 compared to say approx £60 for an ICE car with 40 mpg?

If he had an EV tariff similar to mine the return cost would have been £7.50 for 370 miles.

One of the most impressive aspects for me is the regenerative braking which means you almost exclusively use the accelerator pedal only, so I don’t see any need for brake pads etc for a very long time.

Also very little servicing required, no moving parts etc.

All in all, if you are driving within the range of your car during the day and charging at home (with an overnight EV tariff) it is a very compelling proposition in our view.
 
enark said:
Just to counter the , cost of EVs will decrease, and the cost of charging will decrease argument.

well yes maybe it will, but then the government will see tax tax tax….and the cost will again increase…

happy EV ing chaps, but I will stick to my trusty diesel thanks (as probably 99% of folk on here do anyway, it’s the Ducato, Merc, Transit, VW diesel stuck under your MH)..
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My 2.8 diesel 4x4 will hopefully last a long time yet, only 13 year old and built like a tank, checked my mileage yesterday from the last mot 10 months ago and the average for the next two months will see me slightly less than 5,000 miles for the year, apart from local is the return trip to my static of 106 miles so why would I pay out a fortune for an EV where I may save a few pennies per journey, and as said the giver will want their tax so overall they will be no cheaper to run.
 
jongood said:
Tbf some of this is caused by the energy cap, if you go onto fuel comparison websites, they've been warning that switching could compromise or even make you lose the payment. This will probably change as the energy market sorts itself out post Putin
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“The energy market post Putin”
The energy companies and fuel companies are making massive profits on the back of the current situation, they won’t give that up easily, the prices may drop a little but will still be massively over priced.
 
Folkranger said:
That's true. Forecourt petrol/diesel profits are said to be around 2%. (excluding current profiteering due to russia's war).
Fast charging at 69p/kwh is about 100% and superfast at £1/kwh is about 200% gross profit.

Obviously when enough vehicles are electric, competition and volume will ensure the prices drop to proper levels.
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Obviously when enough vehicles are electric, competition and volume will ensure the prices stay the same to make massive profits !
 

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