Interesting EV fuel cost example

[gus-lopez]

You can lobby your MP for changes to legislation to protect you if companies over step the line.

Why? they should all be working for me & have sorted all this so that there is no cost to me doing so?

and charging per mile will be acceptable to the public.

in your dreams.

You have to go in and pay with a card so they will know your name anyway.

Not if you are using someone elses card which i have done & allowed others to do with mine on many occasions & in other countries. You need to confuse them as to where you are.

I don't think there is a big clique in government who want to track our every movement.

Then why is there so much cctv? why anpr ? why so much private cctv?
You just need to hope that the 5th columnists don't eventually gain control of it all.

It is a rule in government that they cannot transfer information from one Department to another without the subject's explicit consent.

as Puddleduck has said ask ShiftZZ

Then there's the situation where UK EVs are being used in Europe, how will our European neighbours charge UK EV owners?

In France it is toll charges & no road tax anyway. & sensible fuel tax rates.It is only the Uk which wishes to charge road tax & high fuel rates & will attempt to introduce mileage charging per mile without giving up either of the aforementioned.

The campsites in france where we stay impose a tourist tax also environmental tax of 1.5 euros per day , this could easily be 8ncreased for none french passport holders

That's why i stop in aire de repos 's

Please, who do I pay those taxes to for free Aires?

& I also

 

[tribalbrit]

And these ones connected too Denial, denial.

 

[Tombola]

And these ones connected too Denial, denial.

serious

they are connected to the pre exsisitng tesla superchargers, Ive used them many times.
the new ones going on last I visited are gridserve I think.

Like I say, Observancy isn't your best trait,

 

[tribalbrit]

Nor is my head buried in the sand.

 

[Tombola]

Nor is my head buried in the sand.

oh dear !!! another one

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[tribalbrit]

Time will tell.

 

[Tombola]

There are 16 superchargers at Grantham trunk,
there is an addition of "private chargers" going in, (ya know cos EVS are great and everyone is buying them !!!) there was talk of reducing the 16 tesla ones to 10 due to room,, but I think they extended instead.

they did discuss use of diesel generators just to give everyone a laugh that would think an agrekko diesel generator would provide enough power for 16 superchargers (that was a lie)

In the end common sense prevailed and they decided to use a million mice on a wheel.

you proper cocked up there tribalbrit , but gave me a good laugh after a busy day, knowing the time you took and uploading the pic ( Ill show them Pesky Ev drivers he he ) so cheers !

 

[Gromett]

And these ones connected too Denial, denial.
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Not sure what you are trying to prove with this picture. That generator is a temporary portable jobby used for work site supplies. It won't be connected to those chargers.

So misleading or plain wrong.

 

[tribalbrit]

Not sure what you are trying to prove with this picture. That generator is a temporary portable jobby used for work site supplies. It won't be connected to those chargers.

So misleading or plain wrong.

Must be a bloody big kettle those guys are using in the very brightly lit snap cabin.
Off now to feed my gerbils so I too can charge the electric van for work

 

[Gromett]

Must be a bloody big kettle those guys are using in the very brightly lit snap cabin.
Off now to feed my gerbils so I too can charge the electric van for work

It is a 125KVA generator so not big enough to power those chargers.

It may be used to commission each one prior to connection to the grid. So that work can start straight away while waiting for the grid company to connect them.
It is not a permanent feature. How can I tell? Well 3 reasons.
1) it's got wheels.
2) It's a hire generator.
3) It would not be profitable to hire a generator, pay for the diesel and then try and sell the electric to a charger company.

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[Coolcats]

Must be a bloody big kettle those guys are using in the very brightly lit snap cabin.
Off now to feed my gerbils so I too can charge the electric van for work

Interesting article in auto express regarding this subject.

 

[Tombola]

Interesting article in auto express regarding this subject.

Not interesting to me,

Another Mike Rutherford headline grabbing maybe saying "electric car charging from diesel generators is insane" (from 2021). And who now writes for them under his "opinion" articles.

Diesel chargng Evs, insane, sure it is.... we all know that, it would be insane because wind generation is better, or solar. But that article isnt reaaaalay about car charging, its about electric firms providing a genny, to maybe a couple of houses in a street while essential works are carried out on the leccy supply. Could be repairs to anything.

coincidentally "gary" lives there, who owns a leccy car, who will probably never even need to charge it while the works are going on in the street, but if he did, then he can charge at work, at the tescos the train station, etc etc.

Just because Coolcats did a quick google of "diesel generator ev charging" throws up an article like that, doesnt mean its Kosher.
in fact its a waste of ink and paper, truely.

or if we really want to see someone charge with diesel,
here yar, my bro in law lives in perth and rams this down my throat now and then. A tesla model s 5 litres of diesel charging for 100km of drive ?

• The ChargePod ran continuously for 9 hours 15 minutes and charged 10 cars without stopping.
• the generator consumed 108.6 litres of diesel.
• the total energy recorded as received by the cars battery packs was 368.4 kWh.
• the average kwhr per litre delivered to the cars by ChargePod was 3.392 kWh/l.

Diesel fuel consumption equivalents :

• BMW I3 is 4.392 L/100km
• Tesla Model S range 5.011 to 6.014 L/100km
• Tesla Model X range 5.689 to 6.957 L/100km

EV charging with diesel powered ChargePod skid – a solution for locations with inadequate power

Introduction Several electric vehicle drivers in Australia have made the long journeys away from the isolated City of Perth travelling to Darwin, Adelaide and even all the way around Australia. A few keen enthusiasts in the EV community have done an excellent job arranging 3-phase power points...

www.tocwa.org.au

 

[Gromett]

Interesting article in auto express regarding this subject.

A diesel generator was used to power a street while maintenance work was performed.

One of the residents happens to have an EV.

NOT a story.

 

[Coolcats]

A diesel generator was used to power a street while maintenance work was performed.

One of the residents happens to have an EV.

NOT a story.

Take it up with Auto express they wrote the story.

I suspect that at times there will be standby generators when grid power is not available for what ever reason. Many organisations have standby power generators hospitals for one, critical infrastructure and data storage are others. Seems a sensible option really.

 

[Coolcats]

Not interesting to me,

Another Mike Rutherford headline grabbing maybe saying "electric car charging from diesel generators is insane" (from 2021). And who now writes for them under his "opinion" articles.

Diesel chargng Evs, insane, sure it is.... we all know that, it would be insane because wind generation is better, or solar. But that article isnt reaaaalay about car charging, its about electric firms providing a genny, to maybe a couple of houses in a street while essential works are carried out on the leccy supply. Could be repairs to anything.

coincidentally "gary" lives there, who owns a leccy car, who will probably never even need to charge it while the works are going on in the street, but if he did, then he can charge at work, at the tescos the train station, etc etc.

Just because Coolcats did a quick google of "diesel generator ev charging" throws up an article like that, doesnt mean its Kosher.
in fact its a waste of ink and paper, truely.

or if we really want to see someone charge with diesel,
here yar, my bro in law lives in perth and rams this down my throat now and then. A tesla model s 5 litres of diesel charging for 100km of drive ?

• The ChargePod ran continuously for 9 hours 15 minutes and charged 10 cars without stopping.
• the generator consumed 108.6 litres of diesel.
• the total energy recorded as received by the cars battery packs was 368.4 kWh.
• the average kwhr per litre delivered to the cars by ChargePod was 3.392 kWh/l.

Diesel fuel consumption equivalents :

• BMW I3 is 4.392 L/100km
• Tesla Model S range 5.011 to 6.014 L/100km
• Tesla Model X range 5.689 to 6.957 L/100km

EV charging with diesel powered ChargePod skid – a solution for locations with inadequate power

Introduction Several electric vehicle drivers in Australia have made the long journeys away from the isolated City of Perth travelling to Darwin, Adelaide and even all the way around Australia. A few keen enthusiasts in the EV community have done an excellent job arranging 3-phase power points...

www.tocwa.org.au

As per the previous post take it up with Auto express

You could always use aqua fuel generators I guess rather than deisel.

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[Tombola]

As per the previous post take it up with Auto express

You could always use aqua fuel generators I guess rather than deisel.

just making the point it wasnt intereseting to me, just Bull**t , being spread

 

[gus-lopez]

A diesel generator was used to power a street while maintenance work was performed.

Yes but the basis of the article is correct . If diesel vehicles are being banned then the sale & use of diesel generators for any type of use should automatically be the same. Otherwise the whole lot is nonsense.

 

[Wh05apk]

Yes but the basis of the article is correct . If diesel vehicles are being banned then the sale & use of diesel generators for any type of use should automatically be the same. Otherwise the whole lot is nonsense.

What absolute tosh!

A diesel generator used to produce electricity runs far more efficiently than a diesel vehicle stopping/starting/idling.

What do you propose to use when the local hospital has a power cut? Diesel generators are used for short term/emergency back up, they are not a long term energy source.

 

[Geoff185]

As far as I’m aware diesel generators do not have to meet any emission targets. They do not have dpf in exhaust system or high pressure injection systems with micro processor control. So are far more polluting than diesel vehicles. Generators are for portable use in adverse areas with wide variations in fuel quality hence not as green.
At the last COP conference in uk, a large amount of diesel generators were installed to charge the fleet of Teslas provided to the conference delegates

 

[Coolcats]

just making the point it wasnt intereseting to me, just Bull**t , being spread

Yes but the basis of the article is correct . If diesel vehicles are being banned then the sale & use of diesel generators for any type of use should automatically be the same. Otherwise the whole lot is nonsense.

What absolute tosh!

A diesel generator used to produce electricity runs far more efficiently than a diesel vehicle stopping/starting/idling.

What do you propose to use when the local hospital has a power cut? Diesel generators are used for short term/emergency back up, they are not a long term energy source.

As far as I’m aware diesel generators do not have to meet any emission targets. They do not have dpf in exhaust system or high pressure injection systems with micro processor control. So are far more polluting than diesel vehicles. Generators are for portable use in adverse areas with wide variations in fuel quality hence not as green.
At the last COP conference in uk, a large amount of diesel generators were installed to charge the fleet of Teslas provided to the conference delegates

Gents this is a interesting topic, the move away from fossil fuels is a complex one and the mention of generators seems to stir emotions yet they do play an important part in our society.

No one is banning the use of Diesel's but manufacturing for vehicles will stop. So thinking more broadly how is the generator market going to be addressed? Possible conversion of Generators to other fuel's such as Hydrogen or how about a Generator powered by Glycerine (Aquafuel)

Geoff185 interesting to hear about the Diesel generators at the COP conference a temporary solution I guess supporting EV's but also underlines the need for a robust infrastructure for charging, something that has yet to be put in place.

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[Tombola]

No one is banning the use of Diesel's but manufacturing for vehicles will stop. So thinking more broadly how is the generator market going to be addressed? Possible conversion of Generators to other fuel's such as Hydrogen or how about a Generator powered by Glycerine (Aquafuel)

+ biofuels ?

Emission limits are coming into force in 2025 I think, for diesel generators but is more relaxed than vehicles, and includes only gennys over a certain mw output
Same for plant machinery