I bet Macron, Angela and UVDL have all been vaccinated though ? 
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- Merkel said Germany could use Russia's Sputnik V vaccine pending EMA approval, saying Berlin would order the jab if the EU does not.
How hypocritical after all the fuss Germany made about the safety/effectiveness of the U.K. approved AZ.
You couldn't make it up
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Ambulance kid, I fully agree with you. We have booked a beautiful site in Hampshire, within the New Forest for 7 nights on the 14th of April, fingers x’d at £74 for the week, no EHU. Can’t do May or June due to radio therapy to put my prostate in order. July’s probably out due to side effect possibilities. We never go away in August due to obvious crowding.
We then have 7 nights booked on lovely site in Devon at £17 per night with facilities and EHU will be able to do Dartmoor, the coast, pre booking several NT properties within 30 - 60 minutes driving and we love to spend time on Plymouth Ho.
Then we have 5 nights in north east Cornwall, then will be home to dog sit for a week end and providing my health check goes ok and we are not in another national or local lockdown we may have another couple of weeks in our lovely country.
Of course all this depends on this COVID 19 virus being kept under control.
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We then have 7 nights booked on lovely site in Devon at £17 per night with facilities and EHU will be able to do Dartmoor, the coast, pre booking several NT properties within 30 - 60 minutes driving and we love to spend time on Plymouth Ho.
Then we have 5 nights in north east Cornwall, then will be home to dog sit for a week end and providing my health check goes ok and we are not in another national or local lockdown we may have another couple of weeks in our lovely country.
Of course all this depends on this COVID 19 virus being kept under control.
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I'm going to be painfully blunt here.
If you decide to go over the channel this year, you should be forced to stay there.
I know thats a blanket statement that will make some folks angry, but its wholly stupid to move around anywhere in Europe then drag their filth back here & it is irresponsible to assume otherwise.
They've spat the dummy at us & used every excuse in the book & a few that aren't even in the book to discredit the UK & the result? Another French lockdown, with Germany likely to follow.
I totally understand that people adore many European countries & that includes myself, but wild horses couldn't drag me over there just now.
They've lost their cashcow....err sorry, they've lost the UK & lost their whipping boy, so hell mend them.
Have the sense to vote with your feet for another year, stay in the UK, you never know, you might discover that you like it, then when the dust settles, have a winter break in the sun somewhere.
Yes this is a "Fire In the Hole" statement, but please examine your reasons before travelling.
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Not that we are aware of... but then , He (and his darling and beautiful wife) had the covid, so he (they) should have immunity at least for a few monthsI bet Macron, Angela and UVDL have all been vaccinated though ?
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Its the virus that is the elephant in the room, not the politicians & they always have their own agenda.
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Friend had the same treatment and was knocked for 6 for a few days after .
good luck hope the treatent works as it did for my friend
It's not rocket science. If people keep traveling from a to b to c and back to a, the chances of the virus spreading is much greater than if every one stopped at location a. (Home).
I note that those insistent on traveling far afield are of the senior elk and armed with their newly administered vaccine, so that's okay then.
It is also the same people that I imagine are retired and sat at home so a vacation is just another day to them.
Spare a thought for the working man that has had to for go their vacations due to restrictions and those in the front line in need of such.
An on going survey is looking into the number of cases of Covid spread by people traveling abroad and returning back to the UK. Lets sèe how that pans out. Wont make a difference to some though.
I note that those insistent on traveling far afield are of the senior elk and armed with their newly administered vaccine, so that's okay then.
It is also the same people that I imagine are retired and sat at home so a vacation is just another day to them.
Spare a thought for the working man that has had to for go their vacations due to restrictions and those in the front line in need of such.
An on going survey is looking into the number of cases of Covid spread by people traveling abroad and returning back to the UK. Lets sèe how that pans out. Wont make a difference to some though.
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Not in the slightest mate. The border will be open & local folk are more than keen to welcome our fellow UK citizens.
Hope that'll be the case both ways.
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I don't disagree with your point but at 76 I reckon I've another 5 years (God willing) of motorhoming and keen to get going as soon as I can as I've just lost one year.
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i am not senior, nor am i retired (i wish), and i can assure that a vacation is not just another day for us anyway.
If, when people travel and alter their behaviour accordingly then i fail to see how we put others at risk, i could go to the supermarket here and then call at the chemists and pass covid on.
If i am fortunate enough to go then we will be very very cautious, no meals out etc, for us as i have said in a previous post some of the scenery and sunshine, at least makes up for any changes we will have to make, if we want to travel safely.
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Not if the schools don't break up until 29th august.
I think you've lost count of your waves. next one here will be the 4th same as everywhere else.
you must love traffic then.
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No I hate traffic. You have to know where and when to go away. We had a week away in the UK last year, I'm not saying where, on a farm CL site. It was lovely and peaceful. There are lots of walks from the site and places to cycle. The fish and chips at the local chippy are amazing and the cafe overlooking the river do wonderful bacon sandwiches. There's a farm shop that sells rare breed pork and marsh fed lamb. We had some fabulous BBQs. We've already booked to go again this year. I can't wait.
All the comments regarding travel abroad, which i respect, that don't condone or agree with it, are in my humble view trying to have their cake and eat it, they advocate uk travel, but not travel abroad, it seems potentially spreading the infection from one area of the uk to another area of the uk is acceptable.
If we had a uk break i would act in exactly the same way as if i went abroad, treat everyone as though they had it, no meals out, no coffee out, certainly no crowds, sanitise everything that comes into the van, mask and gloves everytime we went out regardless of what we were doing. i fail to see how that puts either ourselves or others at risk at home or abroad.
Each has to weigh up the risks according to themselves.
If we had a uk break i would act in exactly the same way as if i went abroad, treat everyone as though they had it, no meals out, no coffee out, certainly no crowds, sanitise everything that comes into the van, mask and gloves everytime we went out regardless of what we were doing. i fail to see how that puts either ourselves or others at risk at home or abroad.
Each has to weigh up the risks according to themselves.
Perhaps evidence of how A to B and back to A can bring in infections.
news.sky.com
COVID-19: Greece travel corridor brought in 'a large amount of virus', say UK experts
The study is likely to reignite the debate about travel corridors - expected to return in some form as restrictions are eased.
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I don't condone any un necessary travel, here or abroad and your final sentence says it all. Forgetting all others.
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Flawed thinking.
If a million people from UK went to France and a million people went from France to UK and there were equitable infection rates then it makes no difference whatsoever.
Sage have said so as well, so disagree with them, not me.
I am not a senior citizen, I am a working man. The vaccine only concerns me in that it may be something i need in order to travel. I went away last year without it. I am front line. An added bonus is that it is likely to help me from turning the virus into serious if i were to catch it. I have no underlying health conditions and 55 years of age. Throughout the pandemic I have fitted into the category of 604 people who have died without conditions between the ages of 40-60 in England. All this is widely available information and provided by the NHS <Broken link removed>
Spare a thought yourself for the people who have been working that you decide your perceived higher moral standard is one that should be imposed upon people planning their perfectly legitimate and lawful tour in Europe as, when or if it becomes available.
I agree that rates are not equitable at the moment but we cant go until May 17th. In order to go we would be allowed to leave by our country. We would be invited in by the host country.
If you dont want to go, Dont, it will make it safer for us in that country.
But you should not try to impose an attempt at making people feel guilty for going.
This is exactly my view, we are not endangering anyone by going anywhere, I have obeyed every lockdown, not been anywhere for 6 months, never went into pubs when Boris was paying folks to , now all I want to do is go to Europe for maybe my last time, had my vaccination, won't be kissing and hugging anyone , but people who don't know me and have many years in front of them are condeming me and others like me for wanting one last tour in a motorhome.
Just don't know what's up with some folks, do they want to be shut up for ever.
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I ve only just seen this and read the figure that Greece caused 21% of our imported infections.Perhaps evidence of how A to B and back to A can bring in infections.
COVID-19: Greece travel corridor brought in 'a large amount of virus', say UK experts
The study is likely to reignite the debate about travel corridors - expected to return in some form as restrictions are eased.
People will read this and think that 21% of infections came from Greece.
During the period stated, Greece had 35 infections per day.
I have no idea of the percentage of the holidaymaker who went to Greece.
I also have no idea how many of the 1,000 or so infections per day were brought in from abroad from countries with 35 cases versus our 1,000 cases !
Not peer reviewed !
Just noted it said June to September. Average infections in UK June 1st 1,697 average on 31st August 1,322 !!!!!!! A decrease in infections when we were all lolling it up in Greece.
I thought the blame for that "rise" was "Eat out to help out" but that would be another misnomer.
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Didn't you wonder why the French site was quiet?No travel restrictions back then,,Cornwall was rammed according to my sister in law,,we were on a 125 pitch site in France with 3 German vans and a 350 pitch site in Spain with about 40 other vans..Sister in law could not even park in Newquay it was that busy..BUSBY,,Alias JACK
I totally take your point on busy UK camp sites & I'll ask you to trust me on this, I truly wish things were back to normal as the amount of space cadets & dim people who were crammed into UK sites was a right royal pain in the arse, I want them to head back to Costa Del Plonk & give us UK lovers some peace.
Just to reinforce my feelings, I'm not aiming at anyone on this forum or those who love Europe.
My point is aimed at the usual football top wearing twats who say they love Spain etc but always seek out an English bar & eat steak pie n chips.
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I would agree that travel to the eu or anywhere else with such high infection rates at the moment is probably not wise,
but i stress at the moment, we can't go until may at the earliest anyway.
once we are allowed to go and eu countries allow us in, i don't see where the problem would be, covid will still be there, albeit suppressed, but there nonetheless as it will in the uk.
The problem will be if people revert back to behaving as they did before covid, that's where the problem lies.
Sure as carts to horses, covid will be around for a long long time, we cannot stay locked up forever, we will have to learn to live with covid and adjust our behaviour accordingly.
During all the lockdowns and restrictions we have had i have seen far too many instances of no social distancing, no mask wearing etc, that i'm afraid is the real problem, and it starts from the top, bojo shaking hands with all and sundry, the idiot chancellor encouraging eating out, that alone i'll bet cost more infections than all the motorhome travel put together.
but i stress at the moment, we can't go until may at the earliest anyway.
once we are allowed to go and eu countries allow us in, i don't see where the problem would be, covid will still be there, albeit suppressed, but there nonetheless as it will in the uk.
The problem will be if people revert back to behaving as they did before covid, that's where the problem lies.
Sure as carts to horses, covid will be around for a long long time, we cannot stay locked up forever, we will have to learn to live with covid and adjust our behaviour accordingly.
During all the lockdowns and restrictions we have had i have seen far too many instances of no social distancing, no mask wearing etc, that i'm afraid is the real problem, and it starts from the top, bojo shaking hands with all and sundry, the idiot chancellor encouraging eating out, that alone i'll bet cost more infections than all the motorhome travel put together.
Not horrid at all we would still walk, cycle, fish etc just take precautions to protect ourselves and others, it's a small price to pay for traveling safely, and hopefully temporary.
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or Nov & DecDon't remember it being like that last Sept Oct in France or Spain,,BUSBY
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Unfortunately I can see the NC500 AND Cornwall like this most of the summer...
i can't as I won't be going
Comments appreciated, and i agree with the football tops twats meat pies bars thing, very funny, and true
wherever we are we try to adopt the way of the locals, in 30 years of visiting europe i have never been in an "english" type bar, and never will, it's not really the way to experience local culture in my view.
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Agree,,whilst still SD ing we managed to cycle,walk and swim most days.Had the pool all to ourselves on two different sites most days ..Five days driving home other than fuel we never got close to anyone..That all changed back home..BUSBY.
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I couldnt agree more wholeheartedly with that. (and i am a football fan)
And in response to your response. We went last year to a campsite in France. 83 acres as near as dammit. 5 motorhomes. The place was the same size as the campus I work on and we had maybe only 1,000 people and it was empty.
Nearest case of CV was 12 kilometres away and that was a couple of months before we got there. No more than 25 in the pool at a time. There were never 25 people there !
All in our self contained van. Cornwall or into the sticks of France ? which one is safer, which one am i more likely to get CV ? It is a complete no brainer. If i were to stay in this country I am far more dangerous to the British Public than if I were in the sticks of France and returning from my perfectly legitimate tour to which I would have an invite from the host country.
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One of our sons, and his family, live in The Netherlands......I’d be over there tomorrow if I could. However, they’re not allowed out of their county, shopping is by appointment only.......with a strict time slot for in and out.
Nothing social is open and no sign of being so. Vaccinations are taking place at a snails pace.
We have our fingers crossed to see our Grandkids before the autumn, but we’re not holding our breath.
In all honesty, as much as I hope people get away, in reality I think many are going to be sadly let down.
Nothing social is open and no sign of being so. Vaccinations are taking place at a snails pace.
We have our fingers crossed to see our Grandkids before the autumn, but we’re not holding our breath.
In all honesty, as much as I hope people get away, in reality I think many are going to be sadly let down.
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