French Lockdown

[suavecarve]

Too many people on here with Poundland crystal balls. Whats the famous Arabian saying...."Man plans. God laughs".

Theres quite an amount who use passive aggressive comments to get a point across rather than evidence as well.

UK saying "Follow the science"

If the science isnt there, they wont open the borders. That is pretty obvious. If they open the borders youre allowed to go, that bit is pretty obvious as well. Or is it that we have to pass the the moral compass of a section of motorhomers in order to go on a legitimate holiday ?

 

[chaser]

Don't want to prolong this as it's pretty much just going round and round, but are the people who are saying they are not going to Europe, not going into pubs and restaurants here when they open again because in my view that idiotic paying folks to go into pubs was the main thing that kept the virus going when we had nearly got the upper hand against it.
Far more dangerous than sitting in the sun somewhere in France with not another person in sight.

 

[The general]

Friend had the same treatment and was knocked for 6 for a few days after .
good luck hope the treatent works as it did for my friend

As it did for me

 

[Howard B]

Don't want to prolong this as it's pretty much just going round and round, but are the people who are saying they are not going to Europe, not going into pubs and restaurants here when they open again because in my view that idiotic paying folks to go into pubs was the main thing that kept the virus going when we had nearly got the upper hand against it.
Far more dangerous than sitting in the sun somewhere in France with not another person in sight.

I was struggling to understand what point you were making, but I will not be rushing back to the pubs unless one happened to be empty when i walked past.

 

[Shrimp]

We aren’t even thinking of going abroad yet, altho we would love too but suspect that some countries will not be vaccinated enough also not sure Boris will allow us!

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[chaser]

I was struggling to understand what point you were making, but I will not be rushing back to the pubs unless one happened to be empty when i walked past.

Yeah it was a bit of a ramble, hadn't quite got my brain in gear
But the jist of it was , are the people that are holidaying here going to be going in crowded pubs just because they are open.
Which is far worse than being in France with hardly anyone about.

 

[Helen Ariel]

I'm going to be painfully blunt here.

If you decide to go over the channel this year, you should be forced to stay there.
I know thats a blanket statement that will make some folks angry, but its wholly stupid to move around anywhere in Europe then drag their filth back here & it is irresponsible to assume otherwise.

They've spat the dummy at us & used every excuse in the book & a few that aren't even in the book to discredit the UK & the result? Another French lockdown, with Germany likely to follow.

I totally understand that people adore many European countries & that includes myself, but wild horses couldn't drag me over there just now.
They've lost their cashcow....err sorry, they've lost the UK & lost their whipping boy, so hell mend them.

Have the sense to vote with your feet for another year, stay in the UK, you never know, you might discover that you like it, then when the dust settles, have a winter break in the sun somewhere.

Yes this is a "Fire In the Hole" statement, but please examine your reasons before travelling.

Lol someone got out of bed the wrong side! 'Dragging their filth back' Give me a break the strain that's causing cases to rise in Europe is the one that popped up in the uk. It's irrelevant where it came from though it can mutate anywhere.

 

[MITHRANDIR]

An interesting / informative thread on the risks foreign travel represents at the moment.
We are not planning on overseas travel in 2021. It's called doing our bit.
My Sister in law and her family live in Fontainbleau, SE of Paris, and we have not been able to see them since the start of this, but we are having to wait

That looks like my idea of hell, i suspect a lot of others too, and demonstrates exactly the kind of behaviour that has to change, in 30 years i have never partaken in the like, and never will.
Fact, if once travel is allowed if people behave as they did before the pandemic, then it is that behaviour that allows the virus to perpetuate.
Fact, if once travel is allowed and people alter their behaviour appropriately, and permanently, or at least for the long term then transmission of the virus will fall dramatically, this is the simple science behind a lockdown, people separation and isolation = less transmission = less deaths.
Seems to me that if what we are told regarding how the virus is caught is true, then the countries that are having their transmission rates soar, the populace are not being as careful as they ought to, ie, they are not changing their behaviour appropriately.
Sad fact is that some people are selfish in their behaviour, and some are not. We have changed our behaviour permanently, wasn't a difficult choice for us as it is quite obvious that it has to change, sure we like a meal out or a coffee or wine at a cafe or bar, but these are only a small part of our breaks and easily paused until it is safe to do so.
Suavecarve as absolutely correct when speaking about the science, i for one would like to say thank you for reporting figures regarding the virus, a first class idea, with this data those of us who are interested in making an informed educated decision on whether to travel or not can without having to trawl the internet Thank you.
If you want to travel, then travel, if you don't then don't, criticism shouldn't be aimed at those that do based on Imv, opinions not fact.

 

[Chris]

Lol someone got out of bed the wrong side! 'Dragging their filth back' Give me a break the strain that's causing cases to rise in Europe is the one that popped up in the uk. It's irrelevant where it came from though it can mutate anywhere.

Hang on- it was first found in the UK but only because we have sophisticated testing mechanisms.

It fits the EU narrative to call it the English strain, but that’s BS

 

[The general]

It is widely accepted that the virus can exist on objects for several days if not more, a lot of goods come in from the eu, a potential hazard, should we ban those as well for the foreseeable future?, if not why not?,

Because they are essential as mentioned many a time . Holidays out of U.K. not essential , staycation with restrictions ok

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[The general]

Do you think that the virus will be gone in the uk in june?

It will be with us like the flu in June

 

[suavecarve]

It will be with us like the flu in June

We are currently at levels of average Flu season in terms of average deaths against deaths by date reported.

On a separate note.

I have just taken a look at the vaccine push out from EU and they are currently doing a paltry 3.5% a fortnight in comparison to our 8.5%.
If they keep up that rate on May 17th in 8 weeks time they will have vaccinated 26.5% (where we were on February 19th when we were only decreasing by 30% a week)
In all likelihood (though this is the EU) with Moderna, Johnson, Sputnik all going through or been through, EMA approval, and now that we have given them the knowledge of creating larger yields in their factories , I think even they might be able to double their vaccination rate. Should that be the case then they will have the same amount of persons vaccinated as we have today. So somewhere between 26.5% and 40% of the population of Europe vaccinated on May 17th.
That seems to be helping with our figures, I see no reason why Schengen borders would prevent that occurring similarly.

 

[MITHRANDIR]

Agreed, i think the J&J vaccine will be well regarded in the eu, with large uptakes in the population particularly france who seem to have an aversion to the vaccines, with spring on its way and freedoms restricted my guess would be broadly "sorry you can't go out" "why not?" "well people have been reluctant to have the vaccine saying it's not safe etc" "ok i'll have it then", especially when the weather takes a turn for the warmer, i'm guessing we will be invited to go and visit but probably not till june-july ish, some countries are already josling for their share of the uk visitors pie.

 

[MITHRANDIR]

It will be with us like the flu in June

That statement is frankly very ill informed covid is not like the flu, at any time of year.

 

[MITHRANDIR]

Because they are essential as mentioned many a time . Holidays out of U.K. not essential , staycation with restrictions ok

Cars, tv's, furniture, and many other items are all being imported at the moment, they are not essential.

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[The general]

That statement is frankly very ill informed covid is not like the flu, at any time of year.

I realise that , all I am saying is the fact you can have flu anytime if the year

 

[mitzimad]

Do you think that the virus will be gone in the uk in june?

No I don't think it will ever be gone but we will have to live with it by then I should be vaccinated and so will a high percentage of the population

 

[MITHRANDIR]

I realise that , all I am saying is the fact you can have flu anytime if the year

And covid can and will be passed during staycations, as i have repeatedly said the virus transmission rates are directly tied to people's behaviour, where you are is irrelevant.
crowded uk staycations = more risk
less crowded europe = less risk
IF people behave appropriately.

 

[The general]

Covid: Summer holidays abroad 'unlikely', warns government adviser https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-56467813

 

[MITHRANDIR]

Covid: Summer holidays abroad 'unlikely', warns government adviser https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-56467813

I seem to remember that was last years view by some as well.

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[MITHRANDIR]

No I don't think it will ever be gone but we will have to live with it by then I should be vaccinated and so will a high percentage of the population

That gives the impression that by being vaccinated means that covid won't be passed around and that vaccinated people are somehow immune.
Neither are true or correct.

 

[Langtoftlad]

If the science isnt there, they wont open the borders.

Except that for political expediency - economics trumps science

Give me a break the strain that's causing cases to rise in Europe is the one that popped up in the uk.

It was identified by UK scientists, it didn't "pop up" here. A small but significant difference.

 

[Langtoftlad]

Neither are true or correct.

Neither is that statement.
The scientists don't have enough data yet to make that claim - but early indications are that vaccination [particularly the OAZ] does reduce transmission.

Immunity? That's not what mitzimad said nor implied .
Live with - yes. High number of citizens protected - yes
Immunity never mentioned.

 

[ADJF]

Very sadly and very reluctantly we come back into the U.K. today , we left in August . As soon as our 90 days are due and we can travel we will be off , I really don’t care if it is morally right or not to head back into Europe , if it is allowed we are off

 

[MITHRANDIR]

Neither is that statement.
The scientists don't have enough data yet to make that claim - but early indications are that vaccination [particularly the OAZ] does reduce transmission.

Immunity? That's not what mitzimad said nor implied .
Live with - yes. High number of citizens protected - yes
Immunity never mentioned.

So you think that once enough enough people are vaccinated the virus will disappear?, the main "advantage" of the vaccine is to reduce the severity of the disease in most people, the reduction in transmissibility is an unexpected advantage, if proved to be correct.
"Reduce transmission", is not zero, it will likely still be passed around, albeit in smaller numbers
What about the people who for whatever reason cannot have the vaccine?
"Well i have had the vaccine" so back to normal, not for the people mentioned above, or don't they count?
"Immunity" never mentioned, no, implied, IMV yes.

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[MITHRANDIR]

Very sadly and very reluctantly we come back into the U.K. today , we left in August . As soon as our 90 days are due and we can travel we will be off , I really don’t care if it is morally right or not to head back into Europe , if it is allowed we are off

Careful with that statement, you may be burnt at the stake, well done you, i will be joining you if and when i am allowed.

 

[ADJF]

Careful with that statement, you may be burnt at the stake, well done you, i will be joining you if and when i am allowed.

Like I say I don’t care now. I have watched the U.K. from afar and seen the propagandist media spread the government messages of fear. Meanwhile other countries accept the problem, acknowledge it exists, and try their best to manage it. They are not scaring their populations into submission with this constant fearmongering. I have friends at home who are terrified, I wish they could have joined us for the last 8 months and they would be healthier both physically and mentally. I cannot wait to get out of the U.K.

 

[Langtoftlad]

So you think that once enough enough people are vaccinated the virus will disappear

No - where did I say, or even suggest that ?

Reading what is written is always a good thing... not you might imagine someone has written.

People die of flu every year (though none seems to have been recorded this season) but no one suggests locking everything down. Life goes on. Vaccination helps but it's no guarantee.

 

[The general]

Like I say I don’t care now. I have watched the U.K. from afar and seen the propagandist media spread the government messages of fear. Meanwhile other countries accept the problem, acknowledge it exists, and try their best to manage it. They are not scaring their populations into submission with this constant fearmongering. I have friends at home who are terrified, I wish they could have joined us for the last 8 months and they would be healthier both physically and mentally. I cannot wait to get out of the U.K.

What countries accept the problem ?

 

[MITHRANDIR]

No - where did I say, or even suggest that ?

Reading what is written is always a good thing... not you might imagine someone has written.

People die of flu every year (though none seems to have been recorded this season) but no one suggests locking everything down. Life goes on. Vaccination helps but it's no guarantee.

I wasn't suggesting that you did, i was merely making the point that when most people have been vaccinated the danger won't be over, less risk, yes but not gone entirely.
The risk will still be high for some people regardless of how many people are vaccinated.
So the point is, im my view IF people adopt a different behaviour, we will all be able to do the things we enjoy, with some compromises on everyone's part, makes life better for all.
Sadly i'll bet the people won't, and we will all have to ride the rollercoaster again, in one form or another.

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