Agree with almost everything you post but on this one I'm afraid I am in completely the opposite camp, and I did say at the time, this is not hindsight, wether it put the figures up or not, it was a total waste of money and just caused a risk for no good reason, we had folks going out who had never thought of going into pubs at another time just to get a tenner, and the way the pubs milked it is beyond talking about, my daughter worked in one, so don't say it didn't happen.
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Do you not watch the news ? I mean ive been out the uk for 7 months yet i repeatedly hear them making these statements ....in fact it was actually on the news again last night at 9pm .
This is the problem too many people hearing what they want to hear.
Still being advised not to book foreign holidays this year also ...but still folk doing it
Ok sure its the BBC and i don't really rate them but the first link to come uo on Google and ive other things to di than search through a load of links.
But here you go
Covid: Masks and social distancing 'could last years' - BBC News
Measures may remain until jabs roll out across the world, Public Health England's Dr Mary Ramsay says.www.bbc.co.uk
By an amazing co-incidence on the BBC morning news a few minutes ago one of the Chief Scientists who developed the OAZ vaccine was discussing the results of the USA trial of the vaccine. Apparently it's 100% at preventing hospitalisation or death and 79% at preventing symptomatic infection in people, all of which is good.
But importantly for this discussion the presenter asked the Scientist if we would need a booster shot of OAZ later in the year.
The Scientists reply was "no decision has been made on that"! That's directly from the horse mouth, so to speak !
Have a look on catch up for today's BBC morning news about 7-50am.
So perhaps you are not watching the right BBC news !!
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When i went to greece there had been 701deaths and was pretty safe ...the reason i bombed through italy and france on the return trip was due to the high figures everywhere in europe other than greece.Advice.
I would be taking that advice if I were booking the traditional holiday on a plane to Spain or Greece for a fortnight.
I wont be taking that advice for my motorhome holiday.
I made my decision on seeing a chap spend 6 months in Greece in a motorhome and come back alive.
You wouldn't get me going anywhere near europe again at the minute or for the next 6 months or so
I certainly wouldn't be contemplating going in may etc
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"No decision has been made on that " aka we havent a clue but from other related illnesses its highly likely we are going to get rich from thisBy an amazing co-incidence on the BBC morning news a few minutes ago one of the Chief Scientists who developed the OAZ vaccine was discussing the results of the USA trial of the vaccine. Apparently it's 100% at preventing hospitalisation or death and 79% at preventing symptomatic infection in people, all of which is good.
But importantly for this discussion the presenter asked the Scientist if we would need a booster shot of OAZ later in the year.
The Scientists reply was "no decision has been made on that"! That's directly from the horse mouth, so to speak !
Have a look on catch up for today's BBC morning news about 7-50am.
So perhaps you are not watching the right BBC news !!
Ill tell you what ....come back next winter and argue when the next 6 months of variants and mutations have got around the exsisting vaccines like the flu jab every year.
If the last year has taught people anything its that they really havent a clue when it comes to this virus
Nothing, really except the timing, and the fact that it was bs, a pathetic attempt to try and save money by the exchequer.
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My personal experience of that was packed pubs , drunks outside smoking and hugging and fighting , same outside some restaurants that served alcohol etc
The takeaway i worked in went from being staff only in the shop to crowds of drunks inside singing etc while waiting on food
Sadly many people are stupid.
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No worries, I m trying to find out, because I have seen nothing, apart from posts, that say it was a bad idea.
From my point of view on the figures, if it had an effect it was minor, very minor, and am quite happy to go into the figures in great detail with anyone that disagrees with that. So from my point of view, it is not the infection rate that makes it bad.
Total waste of money, I understand. A quick search reveals £850 million quid it cost us. For a month of discounted eating for those that could book it. I have no doubts at all the pubs milked it. I also have no doubts it caused people to go to pubs when they normally wouldnt
My understanding was that it was to kick start the economy. If HMG put in 850 mill then the public put in at least 850 mill as the meals were half price but probably in reality because we bought a beer or 3 with the meal then maybe we stuck in 1.5 Billion. So the economy rose by 2.5 Billionish in a month. That money that went into the pub went onto the caterers, the food suppliers, the brewers, the draymen, the waitresses who were now not furloughed and getting paid for doing something.
now that 2.5 Billion boost to the economy may or may not have been worth 850 million nicker in order to help out, I have no idea how many dependant people, and give, I dont know how many people, a moral boost.
That would be a point that is a discussion about its worth.
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Greece has been "safe" for quite some time, and only the last month or so has it risen a bit.
Signs that it is plateauing and I wouldnt write off post 17th May just yet (HMG rules permitting) for anyone considering it.
The next few days will be a good indication for them.
I ve cancelled my May jaunt abroad, but only because of the likelihood of Q10 and not being able to get away before 17th.
Have you seen the drone footage threads ? https://www.motorhomefun.co.uk/forum/forums/drone-footage.347/ Get some on there.
Exact epitome of what i have been talking about, the vaccine won't be the saviour that everyone seems to think as Northernraider has said, sure it will be a big help, but not without other measures such as mask wearing, social distancing and restrictions on all gatherings large and small, covid has shown that, our behaviour needs to change.
We went straight from being in lockdown, "don't go out, stay in the house" to being told go out and we will give you a tenner, did any other country come up with this brilliant idea?
Why is it all pubs and hotels that we have to give money to, what about other businesses that are really losing money, there is no tenner to go and have your hair cut.
Just as an aside, in our local pub the landlord had been in three years, they have had a better year this last year than all the previous three years put together.
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"No decision has been made on that " aka we havent a clue but from other related illnesses its highly likely we are going to get rich from this
Ill tell you what ....come back next winter and argue when the next 6 months of variants and mutations have got around the exsisting vaccines like the flu jab every year.
If the last year has taught people anything its that they really havent a clue when it comes to this virus
That's fine you keep thinking whatever you want and keep making your forecasts.
I will wait and see what the Scientists say.
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Once again bash the government, have they got everything right? No they havent. What about personal responsibility. No one stopped anyone wearing masks, no one forced anyone out to spend that £10 in the eat out scheme. Some have obeyed the rules some have not. You have to look no further than this forum for people trying to bend the rules at every opportunity. Covid sadly has not only killed many people but also breed many so called 'experts'. Pathetic. Rant over, stay safe.
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No other countries to my knowledgeWe went straight from being in lockdown, "don't go out, stay in the house" to being told go out and we will give you a tenner, did any other country come up with this brilliant idea?
Why is it all pubs and hotels that we have to give money to, what about other businesses that are really losing money, there is no tenner to go and have your hair cut.
Just as an aside, in our local pub the landlord had been in three years, they have had a better year this last year than all the previous three years put together.
There was a gap of a month between being allowed back into pubs and the eat out scheme.
We were allowed out of the house before the pubs opened as well.
Haridressers werent subsidised as it was a supply and demand economic boost. The demand for getting your haircut outweighed supply of haridressers I would have thought so no need to help them out at that time. Pubs were open and needed footfall as people were concerned about going in (rightly or wrongly).
The knock on effect from money being spent in a pub helps numerous businesses. The knock on effect of hairdressers getting money is the hairdresser puts more money into their bank account and Estee Lauder sell a few more products.
I have no doubts it varies from town centre pubs to country pubs, from north to south, from tourist area to city centre and a view may be bias based upon ones own experience.
Mine is, I couldnt get a place at a pub but had a Macdonalds half price on a motorway which was a billy bonus as that was my first macdonalds in 10 years. I have not returned.
Frankly that is b.s., most hairdressers will pay rent and still rack up bills the same as other businesses, not keep adding money to their accounts!
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Once again someone defending the people in power making the bad decisions.
Is this a British thing where we just put up with bad service?
You're damm right im gonna criticise incompetence. If they can't do the job then sack them and get someone who can.
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The government deserve a bashing, if for nothing else than wasting public money, which is mine and yours
The judge Mr Justice Chamberlain said the health secretary had spent "vast quantities" of public money on Covid-related goods and services during 2020.
He said the health secretary had "breached his legal obligation" by not publishing details within 30 days of contracts being signed.
The public had a right to know where the "vast" amounts spent had gone and how contracts were awarded, he added.
Not my Opinion fact, if you think this is acceptable for a government to act this way then that is a sorry state of affairs.
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Not defending anyone, have no time for politicians, just making a point about personal responsibility and the fact there are so many experts about with the knowledge of hindsight.
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The problem is the scientists can't agree and keep changing their minds
My predictions are pretty spot on to be honest if you go back searching threads i predicted the second lockdown to within a fortnight of it happening ...i even predicted the over 100.000 deaths in uk by christmas
You don't need to be a scientist just a free thinker that doesn't follow the herd.
If you think you're going to be told all the facts in advance you've obviously not learned from past events.
Drip fed information at a time when it suits the powers that be thats how it works.
I suppose that would be fine in normal times but these are not normal times .
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In the example given.
please show how the economy is boosted by hairdressers receiving half the amount of the hair cut being paid by HMG in comparison to Pubs. The extra knock on effect that the extra money they would receive. Who does it help beyond the hairdresser ?
Remembering that hairdressers are highly likely to take the pee, just like publicans, and claim they did 7 days worth of haircuts Monday to Thursday just like the pubs probably did.
What increase to the economy would there be when you couldnt get an appointment at a hairdressers at the time, if they were given assistance at that time ?
Pretty much all businesses rack up bills, perhaps youre suggesting HMG should have compensated all businesses 50% of sales ?
Pubs had record years according to chaser and considering they were closed most of the year, that is pretty impressive (and probably crooked)
My names not Frank and note your call on BS
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Well you kind of are ...you are accepting the incompetence and saying folk should just take personal responsibility despite society progressively removing the need for personal responsibility for years .
If you wrap people in cotton wool all their lives and teach them to follow the rules and the crowd then in times of crisis thats what they do
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Covid has taught us a lesson, that some people are not willing to learn, it likes mass gatherings it likes our way of life, it likes crowded pubs, football matches, rugby matches,etc it is all about personal responsibility, if that lesson is not learned then it will perpetuate, just like irresponsible people who find a way around rules and personal responsibility covid WILL as likely as not find a way around the vaccine, its called evolution.
History teaches these things no hindsight is required.
I don't entirely disagree with your comments, but the inference that hairdressers should be treated differently to other types of businesses, and that they don't need financial assistance IS bs.
I am merely suggesting that all businesses be treated fairly nothing more including mine.
I have not taken the pee, as you put it, because i haven't had any financial assistance, nor would i either.
That is true, but still no excuse for wasting public money, awarding contracts to companies for supply of PPE equipment who have never made PPE equipment.
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That's correct, I knew about the current OAZ vaccine at the beginning of august last year in some detail as well, don't ask me how i knew because i won't answer, i was told in confidence, suffice to say we are certainly not told the truth, and when we are drip fed it is when it suits the powers that be.The problem is the scientists can't agree and keep changing their minds
My predictions are pretty spot on to be honest if you go back searching threads i predicted the second lockdown to within a fortnight of it happening ...i even predicted the over 100.000 deaths in uk by christmas
You don't need to be a scientist just a free thinker that doesn't follow the herd.
If you think you're going to be told all the facts in advance you've obviously not learned from past events.
Drip fed information at a time when it suits the powers that be thats how it works.
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We talk of taking the 'P'! A friend, who would normally take a two week package holiday, has decided to do a staycation. Went on line to book a lodge for five persons for 5 days, £3,365. That's taking the'P'! Her two weeks abroad would cost considerably less.
The simple fact is, is that no one knows how the vaccine will play out, or what its long term effects will be, that includes the scientists.
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Hairdressers were treated equally to other types of businesses, it was the pubs and restaurants that were treated differently. Hairdressers were the example given to me.
At no stage did i suggest that Hairdressers dont need financial assistance. Here is exactly what i said
"Haridressers werent subsidised as it was a supply and demand economic boost. The demand for getting your haircut outweighed supply of haridressers I would have thought so no need to help them out at that time. Pubs were open and needed footfall as people were concerned about going in (rightly or wrongly)."
I can only presume you run a pub and didnt take the pee, like many of your peers did, with excess claims. Fair play to you if correct.
Still waiting to find out how the economy would be boosted by subsidising those hairdressers at that time in comparison to pubs.
Perhaps going back and rereading my whole statement, what i was replying to (Chaser), rather than a sentence within the paragraph would assist in understanding what I wrote, as I believe that has made you read it out of context.
And depending on their mode of transportation, likely less risky!
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