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[PhilandMena]

I do have a radical idea. Why don’t the vulnerable go inside their homes, lock the door and windows and stay there? Staying safe forevermore.
That way the vulnerable stay safe and the rest of the population can start going about a more normal life.
Every body is happy.

That's definitely radical and I thought we were having a serious grown up discussion until I read your post.

 

[PhilandMena]

Selon l'agence sanitaire britannique Public Health England, au 19 mai, le pays a recensé au total 3 424 cas confirmés de contamination au variant indien (nom scientifique : B.1.617.2), un chiffre en augmentation de 160 % par rapport à la semaine précédente (1 313 cas au 12 mai).Il y a 4 jours

According to The British Health (not French figures) it is increasing
1313 persons on May the 12th VS 3424on the 19th so 160% more .... due to the Indian variant

Géodes - Santé publique France

www.gouvernement.fr

According the the last 7 day trends data table, infections in the UK are up by 23% and deaths up by 44%. However, when you compare the actual number of people that make up these figures we are still doing better than most if not all of Europe. There's statistics and dammed statistics!

COVID-19 Weekly Trends by Country - Worldometer

New cases and deaths in the last 7 days vs. the preceding week. Absolute and percentage change, weekly cases and deaths per million people in every country in the world

www.worldometers.info

 

[glenn2926]

That’s not going to work if you was coming back to correct me have some thing better that that rubbish
The old are going mad stuck in they have a life to

That's definitely radical and I thought we were having a serious grown up discussion until I read your post.

Can either of you tell me why this won’t work?
To me it is pure selfish expecting the none vulnerable to give up living their lives when the vulnerable could protect themselves without expecting others to change theirs just by staying at home.

 

[gus-lopez]

And require PCR tests and quarantine for travellers arriving from

No, they require pcr tests from travellers arriving from anywhere, including green zones..

 

[MITHRANDIR]

Can either of you tell me why this won’t work?
To me it is pure selfish expecting the none vulnerable to give up living their lives when the vulnerable could protect themselves without expecting others to change theirs just by staying at home.

Actually no one is expecting you to do anything, correct me if I am wrong but it is our government and foreign governments that are telling you what to do or rather what you can and can’t do, for the good of all, allegedly.
I don’t like being told what to do either, but you have criticised the french, now criticising the vulnerable, come on keep the debate adult and civil, it’s not their fault that we are in this mess.

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[glenn2926]

Actually no one is expecting you to do anything, correct me if I am wrong but it is our government and foreign governments that are telling you what to do or rather what you can and can’t do, for the good of all, allegedly.
I don’t like being told what to do either, but you have criticised the french, now criticising the vulnerable, come on keep the debate adult and civil, it’s not their fault that we are in this mess.

It’s not a criticism it’s a question of keeping the vulnerable safe whilst allowing the less vulnerable to live more normal lives. I can’t see why it wouldn’t work.
It would get the economy moving and keep those most at risk safe. There were many on here calling youngsters selfish earlier in the pandemic. Now we know more we could keep the vulnerable safe whilst allowing much more freedom for the less vulnerable. Not doing this is selfish of the vulnerable.

 

[MITHRANDIR]

It’s not a criticism it’s a question of keeping the vulnerable safe whilst allowing the less vulnerable to live more normal lives. I can’t see why it wouldn’t work.
It would get the economy moving and keep those most at risk safe. There were many on here calling youngsters selfish earlier in the pandemic. Now we know more we could keep the vulnerable safe whilst allowing much more freedom for the less vulnerable. Not doing this is selfish of the vulnerable.

But it’s not the vulnerable that are stopping anything, it’s the powers that be.
Ok so end all restrictions in the uk, that’s not much different to the present.
Still would not get you to France or Germany for example though would it?
I agree we cannot stay Locked up forever, sadly I don’t have the answer, and I assure you I am just as fed up with it as you, as are most if not all on mhf.
I have said before, and I think you would agree COVID is not going anywhere, what is needed is a change of behaviour for all people, regardless of what they are doing, do that and imv COVID will be under control, whatever that is much quicker.

 

[yodeli]

According the the last 7 day trends data table, infections in the UK are up by 23% and deaths up by 44%. However, when you compare the actual number of people that make up these figures we are still doing better than most if not all of Europe. There's statistics and dammed statistics!

I understand perfectly what you're saying. I have just put this to show you what we, French are told. I've no time to look for other figures to prove whatever I could be looking for. And in my view, most French, working people that is, don't really look for anything else but what they are told. Lack of time mostly.
And you know what, it's just the same with Bordeaux's problem right now. There's an Indian variant cluster there, and obviously they have new rules (don't know much more than that) so the variant doesn't go anywhere else. I'm not looking for more news... I just know I'm not going anywhere near Bordeaux until it is under control.

 

[PhilandMena]

Can either of you tell me why this won’t work?
To me it is pure selfish expecting the none vulnerable to give up living their lives when the vulnerable could protect themselves without expecting others to change theirs just by staying at home.

I'll have a go at that, me ole fruit pastel.

1. It would not be acceptable to the British public and they would not tolerate such a draconian action.
2. It would not be acceptable to the Government as a they would A, have no public support for such an action and B, not have the resources available to implement it.
3. How would we classify/identify vulnerable people ? by age, health condition, ethnic status, location ????? (People aged 65 and over are a large and rapidly growing group – there are currently more than 11.9 million people aged 65 and over in the UK, with 3.2 million aged 80 and over and 1.6 million aged 85 and over. these people are aged 80 and over). There are no data covering the whole of the United Kingdom, but more than 40 % of people aged 65 years and over in England report having no chronic disease. Among those who do, more than 40 % reported having one chronic disease and more than 15 % stated that they had at least two.
4. How do we go about providing accommodation to lock them up, especially those who have no home and those living with other family members who are not classed as vulnerable. Do we lock up the whole family ???
5. Where do we get the resources and people to monitor, feed, provide services etc. for all those who have been locked up.
6. How do we treat people in care homes who are not vulnerable and are paying to live there because they just need extra support and /or its too much of a burden on the family to look after them.

There you go ! How do you like dem apples !

 

[suavecarve]

Just to be sure I am safe under the present figures I m waiting for 2nd jab still wearing a mask but now because it's more dangerous I double check my seatbelt and use my mirrors more often.

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[glenn2926]

I'll have a go at that, me ole fruit pastel.

1. It would not be acceptable to the British public and they would not tolerate such a draconian action.
2. It would not be acceptable to the Government as a they would A, have no public support for such an action and B, not have the resources available to implement it.
3. How would we classify/identify vulnerable people ? by age, health condition, ethnic status, location ????? (People aged 65 and over are a large and rapidly growing group – there are currently more than 11.9 million people aged 65 and over in the UK, with 3.2 million aged 80 and over and 1.6 million aged 85 and over. these people are aged 80 and over). There are no data covering the whole of the United Kingdom, but more than 40 % of people aged 65 years and over in England report having no chronic disease. Among those who do, more than 40 % reported having one chronic disease and more than 15 % stated that they had at least two.
4. How do we go about providing accommodation to lock them up, especially those who have no home and those living with other family members who are not classed as vulnerable. Do we lock up the whole family ???
5. Where do we get the resources and people to monitor, feed, provide services etc. for all those who have been locked up.
6. How do we treat people in care homes who are not vulnerable and are paying to live there because they just need extra support and /or its too much of a burden on the family to look after them.

There you go ! How do you like dem apples !

So you think in 1 that British public accept all locked down but not just the vulnerable. I certainly don’t agree with you there.
In case 2 they would have all the money currently being paid in furlough payments. It would not need any resources as the vulnerable would be told stay inside, stay safe or risk Covid. Their choice then.
In case 3 how do we classify the vulnerable now? We would use exactly the same format.
In case 4 we could use some of the money currently being paid to people to not go to work. Do you remember it? Furlough it’s called.
In case 5 most of them are currently living somewhere. Stay there.
In case 6 thevulnerable can stay in their rooms. Quite a lot do this anyway.

Go on keep throwing up problems. Why don’t you want the vulnerable to be kept safe?

 

[busby]

We ve booked one way to Santander and hoping that the restrictions are eased by the time we are ready to come back so we can then come back through France. Macron will only be allowed to sulk for so long before the pressure to get tourism going again builds.

Same here,BUSBY.

 

[PhilandMena]

So you think in 1 that British public accept all locked down but not just the vulnerable. I certainly don’t agree with you there.
In case 2 they would have all the money currently being paid in furlough payments. It would not need any resources as the vulnerable would be told stay inside, stay safe or risk Covid. Their choice then.
In case 3 how do we classify the vulnerable now? We would use exactly the same format.
In case 4 we could use some of the money currently being paid to people to not go to work. Do you remember it? Furlough it’s called.
In case 5 most of them are currently living somewhere. Stay there.
In case 6 thevulnerable can stay in their rooms. Quite a lot do this anyway.

Go on keep throwing up problems. Why don’t you want the vulnerable to be kept safe?

I think some of your responses do not add up. Yes the British public have accepted Lockdown but this did not mean they were not allowed out of their house.
Diverting Furlough payments is for the birds ! These payments are needed by the people who are already receiving them. Can you clarify how people are to classed as vulnerable as I can not make sense of your response. Perhaps this is people of a certain age, everyone who has not been vaccinated, people with certain medical conditions etc., etc.,
I do struggle to see how any of your proposals would be accepted or even work and perhaps that explains why none have been adopted and implemented.

 

[PhilandMena]

Same here,BUSBY.

LOL ! So your post in #245 was not entirely correct then.

 

[glenn2926]

I think some of your responses do not add up. Yes the British public have accepted Lockdown but this did not mean they were not allowed out of their house.
Diverting Furlough payments is for the birds ! These payments are needed by the people who are already receiving them. Can you clarify how people are to classed as vulnerable as I can not make sense of your response. Perhaps this is people of a certain age, everyone who has not been vaccinated, people with certain medical conditions etc., etc.,
I do struggle to see how any of your proposals would be accepted or even work and perhaps that explains why none have been adopted and implemented.

Who said not allowed out of their house? Only you. There have been people isolating by staying in their homes why can’t the vulnerable continue to do this? The furlough payment would no longer be needed as people could go back to work if the vulnerable were staying at home.
Which part of how are the vulnerable decided upon now do you not understand?
To me it is time we looked after the majority now. We have ways of looking after the more vulnerable, which could be health condition including obesity, copd, diabetes or any other problems making the person more at risk.
For some reason you want the whole population to continue being restricted when we wouldn’t need this if we just isolated the most at risk. Why you don’t want the vast majority to be free from these restrictions I don’t.

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[Howard H]

I’ll get you a beer if we ever cross paths, NO problem, I’ll even give Jess a treat if there’s still some in the van!! I said coffee as I’d be having to drive there, and in fact I’d probably have a cuppa tea (not Yorkshire tea) Tetley BTW you haven’t been talking to Howard H have you, cos he thinks I never buy a round either?? I’m really not that tight

Said in my best pantomime voice oh yes you are

 

[gerry mcg]

No, they require pcr tests from travellers arriving from anywhere, including green zones..

I’m not sure why you disagree with what i said?
I was specifically speaking about France, which is not a green zone country, and I said persons entering the UK from France needed PCR and Quarantine. (To the best of my knowledge)

whether PCR tests are required for people entering the UK from other Green countries was not part of my post and i made no comment regarding the requirement (or otherwise) for PCR tests were required from “green” countries

 

[PhilandMena]

Who said not allowed out of their house? Only you. There have been people isolating by staying in their homes why can’t the vulnerable continue to do this? The furlough payment would no longer be needed as people could go back to work if the vulnerable were staying at home.
Which part of how are the vulnerable decided upon now do you not understand?
To me it is time we looked after the majority now. We have ways of looking after the more vulnerable, which could be health condition including obesity, copd, diabetes or any other problems making the person more at risk.
For some reason you want the whole population to continue being restricted when we wouldn’t need this if we just isolated the most at risk. Why you don’t want the vast majority to be free from these restrictions I don’t.

Wotever!

 

[spitfire]

So you think in 1 that British public accept all locked down but not just the vulnerable. I certainly don’t agree with you there.
In case 2 they would have all the money currently being paid in furlough payments. It would not need any resources as the vulnerable would be told stay inside, stay safe or risk Covid. Their choice then.
In case 3 how do we classify the vulnerable now? We would use exactly the same format.
In case 4 we could use some of the money currently being paid to people to not go to work. Do you remember it? Furlough it’s called.
In case 5 most of them are currently living somewhere. Stay there.
In case 6 thevulnerable can stay in their rooms. Quite a lot do this anyway.

Go on keep throwing up problems. Why don’t you want the vulnerable to be kept safe?

OMG so glad I no longer live in the UK if that is the way some people thing is acceptable to treat their old and vulnerable citizens ! Why not just exterminate them and then the others can live normally . Getting more like N Korea !

 

[chaser]

OMG so glad I no longer live in the UK if that is the way some people thing is acceptable to treat their old and vulnerable citizens ! Why not just exterminate them and then the others can live normally . Getting more like N Korea !

Hey that's a good idea, solve the housing and immigration problem as well all at a stroke.

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[PhilandMena]

Hey that's a good idea, solve the housing and immigration problem as well all at a stroke.

Save a fortune on pension payments, NHS costs and coffin dodgers too.

 

[spitfire]

chaser and PhilandMena Be careful it might include you if not sooner definitely later !

 

[PhilandMena]

chaser and PhilandMena Be careful it might include you if not sooner definitely later !

Ha! Ha! Ha! My headstone would say here lies a Motorhome Funster, FLT and member of the CBBC who refused to obey the rules. Love it, love it, love it. Keep Safe.

 

[Fragle]

Who said not allowed out of their house? Only you. There have been people isolating by staying in their homes why can’t the vulnerable continue to do this? The furlough payment would no longer be needed as people could go back to work if the vulnerable were staying at home.
Which part of how are the vulnerable decided upon now do you not understand?
To me it is time we looked after the majority now. We have ways of looking after the more vulnerable, which could be health condition including obesity, copd, diabetes or any other problems making the person more at risk.
For some reason you want the whole population to continue being restricted when we wouldn’t need this if we just isolated the most at risk. Why you don’t want the vast majority to be free from these restrictions I don’t.

I agree. You are not alone on your thinking.

 

[PhilandMena]

do have a radical idea. Why don’t the vulnerable go inside their homes, lock the door and windows and stay there? Staying safe forevermore

Who said not allowed out of their house? Only you.

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[gus-lopez]

Yes the British public have accepted Lockdown but this did not mean they were not allowed out of their house.

And that's why it continues to drag on.

These payments are needed by the people who are already receiving them.

In Albania?

 

[PhilandMena]

And that's why it continues to drag on.

In Albania?

LOL Gus ! Have you considered changing your avatar. 'Captain rear view mirror' perhaps ???

 

[EuroTrotters]

I think it's a one off payment of 150 pounds and then 120 a year..Usually my membership pays for itself with me allowing others to use my number...Very seldom quick enough on Funsters though. BUSBY.

• Registration fee £105 (payable on application)
• Annual membership fee £125
• Club savings

SPAIN

 

[EuroTrotters]

LOL Gus ! Have you considered changing your avatar. 'Captain rear view mirror' perhaps ???

Just realised, gus-lopez limits me seeing his full profile!

 

[Skyway]

It’s not a criticism it’s a question of keeping the vulnerable safe whilst allowing the less vulnerable to live more normal lives. I can’t see why it wouldn’t work.
It would get the economy moving and keep those most at risk safe. There were many on here calling youngsters selfish earlier in the pandemic. Now we know more we could keep the vulnerable safe whilst allowing much more freedom for the less vulnerable. Not doing this is selfish of the vulnerable.

Keep digging your hole

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