France Off The Menu.

[suavecarve]

It’s not a criticism it’s a question of keeping the vulnerable safe whilst allowing the less vulnerable to live more normal lives. I can’t see why it wouldn’t work.
It would get the economy moving and keep those most at risk safe. There were many on here calling youngsters selfish earlier in the pandemic. Now we know more we could keep the vulnerable safe whilst allowing much more freedom for the less vulnerable. Not doing this is selfish of the vulnerable.

What is that the less vulnerable cant do now that you would want to happen to make your life more normal ?

 

[The Wino]

Who said not allowed out of their house? Only you. There have been people isolating by staying in their homes why can’t the vulnerable continue to do this? The furlough payment would no longer be needed as people could go back to work if the vulnerable were staying at home.
Which part of how are the vulnerable decided upon now do you not understand?
To me it is time we looked after the majority now. We have ways of looking after the more vulnerable, which could be health condition including obesity, copd, diabetes or any other problems making the person more at risk.
For some reason you want the whole population to continue being restricted when we wouldn’t need this if we just isolated the most at risk. Why you don’t want the vast majority to be free from these restrictions I don’t.

Given the thread title a consequence that would certainly happen with that policy is a rise in cases and it becoming very unlikely that any country would accept UK visitors . I do agree with others that it's also pretty inhumane and probably wouldn't last as it would result in another wave of infection.
It doesn't really matter too much as there's no votes in it so it is a non starter

 

[gus-lopez]

Just realised, gus-lopez limits me seeing his full profile!

Not to my knowledge? I never modify anything?

 

[Paul and Val]

Germany and Austria have also banned UK travellers, so it's more widespread than just 'those pesky French'

Yes Marchie but the point that you miss is that the other countries mentioned are not France. Many of the people whining and moaning will be voters for................... Oops I almost said it.

It is a bit like Michelin tyres. In my opinion a fabulous tyre which I automatically fit to all our cars etc but which are literally hated by some Britain's due to the French connection/manufacturing.

In todays New York Times there is an excellent article on Britain's visiting Portugal, a country that has a 100% insistance on wearing masks outside. British holiday makers however 'They know best "After all, we are on our 'olidays" and are refusing to wear them which is causing great resentment with the Portuguese (quite understandably).

If you want to go to Spain or Australia (a county that also insists on a confinement for visitors) then go. Just do me a favour, grow up and stop whining about France in the same way as a five year old cries about having to eat their vegetables.

Oh, there is one other reason why you should not come here. Our friend who had to fly back to GB for a funeral had all his Covid tests here in France free of charge as it is seen by the French Government as being a safety issue. To fly back to France he is having to pay 318 Pounds (about 380 €) for tests to the 'good old British Government'. For two people almost 800 €!

The French Government is not perfect but if you hate or strongly dislike the French, GO SOMEWHERE ELSE! Please.

Stay safe. If the French Government has anything to do with it, you will.
Happy motoring.
Paul

 

[Spriddler]

Not to my knowledge? I never modify anything?

Just out of interest I tried and got this message.......

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[glenn2926]

I didn’t say not allowed out but to stay there if they’re vulnerable if they don’t want to stay in fine, I don’t have a problem with that but and it’s a big but, don’t moan about others out enjoying thereselves.

 

[busby]

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[Flying Fifer]

I don’t think it’s political just pragmatic. France like the U.K. wants to minimise the transmission of new variants.
For me , it’s touring the U.K. and Eire this year and hopefully Europe in 2022 providing there are no restrictions.

Even in UK we've to be careful where we go & should respect any of local guidelines eg get tests before going to islands. As much as we all want to travel, I feel a lot of people are being quite selfish & not following guidelines in the different areas. Even after having 2nd vaccine, we have to wait 3wks for the increased cover, but even then it is worth keeping to masks, etc . At end of the day, we want to be safe to travel

 

[PhilandMena]

I didn’t say not allowed out but to stay there if they’re vulnerable if they don’t want to stay in fine, I don’t have a problem with that but and it’s a big but, don’t moan about others out enjoying thereselves.

Absolutely spectacular response! You said and I quote 'Why don’t the vulnerable go inside their homes, lock the door and windows and stay there? and now your struggling and I mean really struggling to say you said something else. I think, me ole fruit pastel, you have well and truly shot your bolt on this thread and should accept your gross error with good graces.

 

[Skyway]

Absolutely spectacular response! You said and I quote 'Why don’t the vulnerable go inside their homes, lock the door and windows and stay there? and now your struggling and I mean really struggling to say you said something else. I think, me ole fruit pastel, you have well and truly shot your bolt on this thread and should accept your gross error with good graces.

Agreed hole getting bigger

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[ashley 1340]

If you are in another country - outside the EU
Since January 31, 2021, any entry into France and any exit from French territory to or from a country outside the European area (European Union, Andorra, Iceland, Liechtenstein, Monaco, Norway, San Marino, Vatican City and Switzerland) are prohibited, except: overriding personal or family reasons, emergency health reasons or professional reasons that cannot be postponed.

Arrivals from Australia, South Korea, Israel, Japan, New Zealand, UK or Singapore.
If you come from one of these seven countries you can come to France.
You will have to comply with health control measures to enter France (PCR test and declaration of honor).
You will need to self-isolate for seven days upon arrival.
The compelling reason obligation does not apply.
Your trip must nevertheless fall under one of the exemptions, and you will be subject to the health control obligations below (PCR test, declaration of honor and isolation period)

Sorry but since25 may that is now out of date, unless you are French or fully entitled resident or essential (to the french) worker you can't come here. Even if you have a second home here you can't come

 

[jongood]

Sorry but since25 may that is now out of date, unless you are French or fully entitled resident or essential (to the french) worker you can't come here. Even if you have a second home here you can't come

that doesn't say that a third country citizen can't enter France from another EU country. So a UK citizen could enter from Spain?

 

[138go]

And that's why it continues to drag on.

From the BBC:

latest daily figures 6 deaths


people in hospital - 870

down by 21

 

[Drexxer]

From the BBC:

latest daily figures 6 deaths


people in hospital - 870

down by 21

More people died on the toilet this morning, need to put things into perspective.

 

[Solwaybuggier]

that doesn't say that a third country citizen can't enter France from another EU country. So a UK citizen could enter from Spain?

The attached attestation was quoted in another thread on here, Transiting France, and seems to give more details. Clause 2 seems to suggest that EU citizens can enter France in transit on their return trip to their main residence in an EU country - as we are no longer EU citizens, it is hard to see why that right would be extended to us, particularly in view of the concerns about the B.1.6172 variant

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[Flying Fifer]

that doesn't say that a third country citizen can't enter France from another EU country. So a UK citizen could enter from Spain?

I can't believe that you are even considering this stupid idea. Wise up, just stay at home until we can travel without splitting hairs as you are suggesting .

 

[MITHRANDIR]

I can't believe that you are even considering this stupid idea. Wise up, just stay at home until we can travel without splitting hairs as you are suggesting .

Offensive, and unnecessary idiotic remark.

 

[Flying Fifer]

Offensive, and unnecessary idiotic remark.

Not meant to be offensive. My feeling is that it is a stupid idea to be even thinking of trying to, actually, sneak in by this way. We've waited this long to travel more freely, so why take any risks for the sake of, potentially, a few more weeks or months.

 

[MITHRANDIR]

Not meant to be offensive. My feeling is that it is a stupid idea to be even thinking of trying to, actually, sneak in by this way. We've waited this long to travel more freely, so why take any risks for the sake of, potentially, a few more weeks or months.

Stop digging, another unnecessary comment, it IS offensive, people tend not to like being called stupid or sneaky, read rule no1.

 

[jongood]

I can't believe that you are even considering this stupid idea. Wise up, just stay at home until we can travel without splitting hairs as you are suggesting .

Non taken (just) I was actually seeking to clarify Macron's stance, bearing in mind that most of their neighbours have higher incidence and substantially lower vaccination rates than UK this doesn't seem very logical.

But as you choose to challenge it:- No I can't see too much risk with two fully vaccinated people travelling from a lesser populated area to the lesser populated areas of somewhere else in a self contained motorhome; So we are shortly off to Spain (that have been encouraging UK tourists), where we will abide by their rules and avoid enclosed spaces as much as possible. btw I do not seek or need your permission to do this.

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[nicholsong]

Flying Fifer seemed to assume that jongood was suggesting travelling to Spain just to get into France - assumption wrong!

Under the French rules coming into force today I, as non-EU Citizen, but Polish Resident, travelling from Poland would be entitled to enter France.

We, both vaccines over 2 weeks ago, are about to drive to Greece. en-route we are likely not to be in close contact with anyone.

The risks in Greece both from us and to us are about equal to Poland.

I do not feel any moral imperative to protect, or be protected by, Greeks any more than Poles - they are all humans.

Geoff

 

[The Wino]

Flying Fifer seemed to assume that jongood was suggesting travelling to Spain just to get into France - assumption wrong!

Under the French rules coming into force today I, as non-EU Citizen, but Polish Resident, travelling from Poland would be entitled to enter France.

We, both vaccines over 2 weeks ago, are about to drive to Greece. en-route we are likely not to be in close contact with anyone.

The risks in Greece both from us and to us are about equal to Poland.

I do not feel any moral imperative to protect, or be protected by, Greeks any more than Poles - they are all humans.

Geoff

I think if the rates are similar and the incidence of variants there is little difference between travelling 50 miles or 500 and across borders or inside them. That being said it's up to each country to set their own rules and I think everyone must have realised now that if the rules change and borders close it's just tough.

 

[Flying Fifer]

Stop digging, another unnecessary comment, it IS offensive, people tend not to like being called stupid or sneaky, read rule no1.

My apologies to everyone

 

[deleted79651]

Yes Marchie but the point that you miss is that the other countries mentioned are not France. Many of the people whining and moaning will be voters for................... Oops I almost said it.

It is a bit like Michelin tyres. In my opinion a fabulous tyre which I automatically fit to all our cars etc but which are literally hated by some Britain's due to the French connection/manufacturing.

In todays New York Times there is an excellent article on Britain's visiting Portugal, a country that has a 100% insistance on wearing masks outside. British holiday makers however 'They know best "After all, we are on our 'olidays" and are refusing to wear them which is causing great resentment with the Portuguese (quite understandably).

If you want to go to Spain or Australia (a county that also insists on a confinement for visitors) then go. Just do me a favour, grow up and stop whining about France in the same way as a five year old cries about having to eat their vegetables.

Oh, there is one other reason why you should not come here. Our friend who had to fly back to GB for a funeral had all his Covid tests here in France free of charge as it is seen by the French Government as being a safety issue. To fly back to France he is having to pay 318 Pounds (about 380 €) for tests to the 'good old British Government'. For two people almost 800 €!

The French Government is not perfect but if you hate or strongly dislike the French, GO SOMEWHERE ELSE! Please.

Stay safe. If the French Government has anything to do with it, you will.
Happy motoring.
Paul

Full disclosure. We have a hovel in France, so we've even got French neighbours, who, swines that they are, greeted us on arrival with a box of homegrown haricot beans and homegrown leeks+ cougettes and cucumbers, and then showed how mean they really are by limiting the free labour and technical advice on replacing the oak beams in what is laughingly called 'the barn' to a measly 2 days each [4 man days in total]. Of course, René tried a typical French trick of schmoozing me with advice on concrete mixing and laid the foundations for a wall in the morning and laid the first 2 rows of blocks in the afternoon, all free for the friendship of neighbours. I mean, who could possibly trust a race that acts like this?

Steve

 

[Jim]

It is a bit like Michelin tyres. In my opinion a fabulous tyre which I automatically fit to all our cars etc but which are literally hated by some Britain's due to the French connection/manufacturing.

That's a new one on me, I have never heard someone say they don't like them because they are French. Ive heard them say that they are over-rated and over priced, and IMO that's the truth with their motorhome tyres.

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[MITHRANDIR]

Full disclosure. We have a hovel in France, so we've even got French neighbours, who, swines that they are, greeted us on arrival with a box of homegrown haricot beans and homegrown leeks+ cougettes and cucumbers, and then showed how mean they really are by limiting the free labour and technical advice on replacing the oak beams in what is laughingly called 'the barn' to a measly 2 days each [4 man days in total]. Of course, René tried a typical French trick of schmoozing me with advice on concrete mixing and laid the foundations for a wall in the morning and laid the first 2 rows of blocks in the afternoon, all free for the friendship of neighbours. I mean, who could possibly trust a race that acts like this?

Steve

Well done you, can't say i am not envious, because i am, great people the french, as in the regular day to day people, not like the stereotype at all imv.
Enjoy.

 

[Jim]

great people the french, as in the regular day to day people,

Of course, the French are no different to anyone else. In my experience with travels around the world, OK, outside of the big cities like Paris and Rome etc; Most everyone you converse with is nice, friendly and often overtly kind.

 

[deleted79651]

Well done you, can't say i am not envious, because i am, great people the french, as in the regular day to day people, not like the stereotype at all imv.
Enjoy.

The kindnesses that René & Annette + Dominic & his wife, plus Jean-Marie who insisted that we join the 'Third Age' Retired Persons Annual Outing to wherever has been chosen each year are genuinely too many to recount. Our hovel is in a village of 944 people and everyone greets everyone else and help us patiently with our attempts to speak French. it's a lovely community spirit, and our only regret is that it will not be possible to take up full time residence in the village.

Steve

 

[MITHRANDIR]

we would love to have done the same, but brexit sort of stopped that, although we could still buy a property, and we still look, maybe we will in time when we retire.
I guess that's the reason it's our default destination, may sound odd but we both feel at home in france, we like the pace of life there, the climate in the south, and just the variety france offers, it's a great place to be.
Just our view of course, there are many great places in the world.
I won't get into a rage over brexit, although i often do, such a sad state of affairs, but the majority voted for it and i accept that.
I hope the French people know there are uk citizens that love france and the French people, which i'm sure they do.

 

[deleted79651]

we would love to have done the same, but brexit sort of stopped that, although we could still buy a property, and we still look, maybe we will in time when we retire.
I guess that's the reason it's our default destination, may sound odd but we both feel at home in france, we like the pace of life there, the climate in the south, and just the variety france offers, it's a great place to be.
Just our view of course, there are many great places in the world.
I won't get into a rage over brexit, although i often do, such a sad state of affairs, but the majority voted for it and i accept that.
I hope the French people know there are uk citizens that love france and the French people, which i'm sure they do.

Agreed. Sad that what could have been now can't ever be, but no point crying over spilt milk, so Per Ardua ad Astra as one Vauxhall owner described the hardship of owning a Vauxhall ...

Steve

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