Doc on tour, France, Spain, Morroco.

Northernraider said:
Well you've obviously not been paying attention chief as I mostly put money in street performers tins and homeless cups etc. Always have done
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I'll ignore that, it spoils a good joke. 🤣
 
PxJ said:
I know most cities in the UK have Xmas lights up but some of the lights in the pictures you’ve took & others that people post of various places their visiting puts us to shame, the excuse will be the Local Councils can’t afford it 😂
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Not just the lights ,here they replant all the roundabouts with poinsetias. same as the do at easter with daffs & other flowers.

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After getting some supplies at mercadonna I'm now in torremolinos. Probably be here till Christmas now unless somewhere else catches my eye . But its unlikely. I've a nice sea view from my park up
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Now on another note I wanted to ask doggy owners thoughts and opinions on those anti pull chain type collars you get. Now I've never used them as I'm unsure , but here's the thing . In the last year I have felt a severe change in my knees , the constant pulling from blu and ela I'm struggling to take and it seems no matter what I do it's relentless . Blu is by far the worst but ela will attempt to compete with her and frankly if it doesn't stop soon I can see me having issues before too long . As it is it makes walking with them unpleasant at times.

Now I see these collars for sale everywhere so I'm assuming they aren't illegal or harmful to use short term and I'm hoping that if I got one for each of them that it would only take a week or two for them to learn to stop pulling .
I've tried them with harnesses and frankly they're worse . They can then get their shoulders behind it .

My knees are throbbing from the last few days walking . I'm practically at a 45° angle at times.


So who uses them ? Have you had much success. The last thing I need is replacement knees before I'm 60 and the way it's going I'll be lucky to see that
 
I would look up some dog trainers on You Tube, hopefully they will show how to keep the dogs at your side rather than acting like toboggan huskies.
I know it will hard enough training one at a time though, you may have to separate them from walking together until you make some headway.
Good luck.
LES

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From a lot of experience the most effective ones are the “figure of 8’s”. Used extensively on by dogs. Not liked by everyone as people think it’s a muzzle. However the pull is on the head so easier to control. Needs only to bee a very fine cord. Used them for years training fun dog types. Our last Labrador if we stopped used to flip the nose piece off and sit down if we stopped to talk to someone. Takes the dog a little longer to get used to but very effective. Better than any harness as all you are doing is putting the point of pull on the dogs strongest part its shoulders. Never like “ choke or check chains” either as used incorrectly can cause neck damage. Many will disagree but as I say many years experience and only my opinion.
 
Northernraider said:
So who uses them ? Have you had much success.
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Tam, we haven’t used those that you’re alluding to, however we have used an earlier incarntion of the Halti Anti-pull dog harness. It worked by pressing on the tendons under their oxters (fine Scottish word there 😎) and took some power away from their pull.

Ian
 
bigtwin said:
Tam, we haven’t used those that you’re alluding to, however we have used an earlier incarntion of the Halti Anti-pull dog harness. It worked by pressing on the tendons under their oxters (fine Scottish word there 😎) and took some power away from their pull.

Ian
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Certainly we don’t like the choke chain, slip collars, whatever people want to call them. We have had success with Halti type leads (figure of 8) that go around the nose as well. It allows you to turn the dogs head when they pull against the lead, some tighten as they pull and drops the head down before you need to take the strain. They will need training to use them and some time individually might help.
Our sons Great Dane took to it and meant we could walk him without injuring ourselves:)
HTH
 
With greyhounds, you use "martingale" collars
They tighten as the dog pulls...
"Martingale collars have a section in them that allows them to tighten slightly when you pull on the lead. They're an anti pull dog collar that's generally safer than a check chain or slip lead, because they're limited in just how far they can tighten."

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TinaLes said:
I would look up some dog trainers on You Tube, hopefully they will show how to keep the dogs at your side rather than acting like toboggan huskies.
I know it will hard enough training one at a time though, you may have to separate them from walking together until you make some headway.
Good luck.
LES
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Tried all that ..you'll notice none of these dog trainers ever walk more than one dog at a time. If I walk any of my dogs on their own they rarely pull. But as a pack they compete
 
Madmag said:
From a lot of experience the most effective ones are the “figure of 8’s”. Used extensively on by dogs. Not liked by everyone as people think it’s a muzzle. However the pull is on the head so easier to control. Needs only to bee a very fine cord. Used them for years training fun dog types. Our last Labrador if we stopped used to flip the nose piece off and sit down if we stopped to talk to someone. Takes the dog a little longer to get used to but very effective. Better than any harness as all you are doing is putting the point of pull on the dogs strongest part its shoulders. Never like “ choke or check chains” either as used incorrectly can cause neck damage. Many will disagree but as I say many years experience and only my opinion.
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I've not seen these figure 8 have you a photo or a link to them
 
iain26 said:
Certainly we don’t like the choke chain, slip collars, whatever people want to call them. We have had success with Halti type leads (figure of 8) that go around the nose as well. It allows you to turn the dogs head when they pull against the lead, some tighten as they pull and drops the head down before you need to take the strain. They will need training to use them and some time individually might help.
Our sons Great Dane took to it and meant we could walk him without injuring ourselves:)
HTH
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Strangely none of my dogs have managed the Halti as well as the simpler and lighter figure of 8 lead. But agree the halti does work on same principle and works for most.
 
bigtwin said:
Tam, we haven’t used those that you’re alluding to, however we have used an earlier incarntion of the Halti Anti-pull dog harness. It worked by pressing on the tendons under their oxters (fine Scottish word there 😎) and took some power away from their pull.

Ian
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That looks a good idea

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Langtoftlad said:
With greyhounds, you use "martingale" collars
They tighten as the dog pulls...
"Martingale collars have a section in them that allows them to tighten slightly when you pull on the lead. They're an anti pull dog collar that's generally safer than a check chain or slip lead, because they're limited in just how far they can tighten."
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I'll Google that
 
Need to do a read though when I write a message. Lots of typos. Basically I have used them on gun dog type dogs. Work well on whippets as well! Need to persevere with them but well worth it and when dog gets used to them they don’t tighten at all in fact when dog walking properly without pulling the nose piece can drop off as no pressure being exerted.
 
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For the leads to work you need to hold the lead in one hand and avoid pulling to correct the pull, The dog can sense the tension, with your free hand a gentle downward chopping action on the lead between you and the dog and the words NO or whatever you choose to use to correct the dog. As long as you avoid the pull/tension on the lead it will work
 
Hi Tam, my grandfather always used a choker chain. He put the chain on the correct way so when the dog pulled it tightened, as soon as the dog stopped pulling it hung down completely slack.
Initially he would snatch the lead and it would hurt the dog (not bad). After a while the noise of the chain would be enough to stop a pull, all the while he would gently say heel. He could walk 4 collies without leads and just talk to them.
People were amazed to watch him control his dogs and he was a true gentleman, the dogs worshipped him.
Trouble today is there are some owners who don't understand this principal and they need training themselves.
Good luck with what you decide but you should not be pulled that way
 
I hope you get the pulling sorted Tam. I can't walk my two on my own as the young one still pulls. I was just saying my gorgeous boy Stanley (in avatar) never used to pull at all but Mr Gina M says you must be joking, remember that time he dislocated my shoulder:xeek::xrofl:

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