Doc on tour, France, Spain, Morroco.

[Joethejoiner]

OK dokey

For anyone that hasn't visited or like me hadn't even heard of oradour-sur-glane before rather than me attempt to tell the story I've read quite a bit online about it and found this Wikipedia page to be very informative, the background story and the trials etc afterwards were incredibly interesting.

Oradour-sur-Glane - Wikipedia

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I have to admit I had a few similar thoughts as Just smiffy with regards to why certain things have been altered and deliberately placed in some places. I didn't go in to the memorial visitor centre , I preferred to just read about it online and have a walk around , I did have a look in the small underground memorial place by the cemetery and a look around the cemetery itself , I didn't take any photos in there though as it didn't seem right . When you read down the names on the plaques though and see the vast amount of children it's quite horrifying.


I've been I've saw but I've no desire to return .


For anyone like me that just likes finding out more information.. this is an interview with diekmans son .

"Mon père était le bourreau d’Oradour" - Rainer Diekmann

Pour la première fois de sa vie, le fils d’Adolf Diekmann, l’officier SS qui a orchestré le massacre d’Oradour sur Glane, revient sur la personnalité trouble de son père. Agé de 72 ans, il n’avait que deux ans quand ce dernier est mort au combat en Normandie, le 29 juin 1944. Il a passé une...

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Pretty sure very little has been altered but , for example , if there was a sewing machine in a house you can't enter it makes sense to place it in the garden .
Really think this site has been maintained with great sensitivity. Finding it hard to understand many of the comments .

 

[Northernraider]

How did you get in then? When we went entrance to the village was only through the memorial centre & the tunnel under the road?

You can walk in through the cemetery

 

[Northernraider]

I think the following might suggest that he snuck in the rear entrance?


Ian

I didn't sneak. You can enter through cemetery

 

[Northernraider]

From 1st February to 15th December inclusive, entrance and exit is via the Centre de la Mémoire when it is open.

Out of hours exit when the Centre de la Mémoire is closed, is via the small gate leading to the road to Confolens (the D9)

From 16th December to 14th January, entrance and exit is via both the Northern gate and the Southern gate at each end of the ruined village (between these dates the Centre de la Mémoire is closed).

Or via the cemetery where there is no gate at all.

 

[tacr2man]

Re Oradour , visited about 30 years ago , seems to have had a lot of money spent there, the causation story seems to have changed a bit , I came across a plaque not far from there that tended to support another "reason" for the atrocity it was near a park spot where I stopped for lunch with discovery and caravan . This was IIRC that a SS column had been ambushed by resistance , and this resulted in the death of their commanding officer who was very well liked by his men , and the destruction was revenge for that , no mention of the other Oradour which is some 20 miles distance away . There was a few other "Oradour situations" in eastern Europe recorded , history can be pretty grim.

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[Northernraider]

Pretty sure very little has been altered but , for example , if there was a sewing machine in a house you can't enter it makes sense to place it in the garden .
Really think this site has been maintained with great sensitivity. Finding it hard to understand many of the comments .

The cars have been moved and placed on bricks. The one that gets the most photographs has been painted with rustoleum and the roofrack removed. It's also on bricks so not really just abandoned where it was allegedly parked a few hours before the massacre ..wooden furniture in a burnt out church thats untouched ...I just don't see the point in these things and i wasn't the only person there asking these questions.


Just leave the place as it was and let nature take its affect like it has on the other parts of the village.

Once you start adapting things , preserving and altering things it becomes more a tourist attraction than a memorial


It's my opinion others may vary but I'd rather they didn't stage stuff .

 

[Northernraider]

Re Oradour , visited about 30 years ago , seems to have had a lot of money spent there, the causation story seems to have changed a bit , I came across a plaque not far from there that tended to support another "reason" for the atrocity it was near a park spot where I stopped for lunch with discovery and caravan . This was IIRC that a SS column had been ambushed by resistance , and this resulted in the death of their commanding officer who was very well liked by his men , and the destruction was revenge for that , no mention of the other Oradour which is some 20 miles distance away .

I don't think anyone will ever know the whole truth , there was only a few survivors and their stories would obviously be based on speculation.

One thing is for sure the other village had a lucky escape



My own opinion the nazis were a bunch of evil sadistic gits who fully enjoyed killing .

Orders my arse

 

[Just smiffy]

You should have definitely had that wheelchair for me, as it looks like they didn’t need it…

 

[Northernraider]

Jeeso it's like get yer lucky white Heather here.


My fecking bridge has just fell oot

It was working loose the last week or so but I'd hoped it would stay put till I find a dentist to do a few fillings etc in Spain

But naw it's oot and I've now a dirty big hole in my teeth. That's my chance of pulling right oot the windae now .

Feck sake


Hopefully it can be re cemented in

 

[scousebird]

Oh Tam, I'm sorry but you did make me laugh.

I hope you can get it sorted soon.

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[Just smiffy]

Superglue… I used to on my posted teeth many times…

 

[Just smiffy]

Mine fall out every night….

 

[Lenny HB]

Oh Tam, I'm sorry but you did make me laugh.

I hope you can get it sorted soon.

Must admit I had a good giggle nearly gave his post a Funny.

 

[Northernraider]

Superglue… I used to on my posted teeth many times…

I thought about that but a lot of the cement has obviously broken away etc so it isn't a tight fit.


I did consider that pond sealer I have lol

Wonder if it's toxic

 

[Just smiffy]

I thought about that but a lot of the cement has obviously broken away etc so it isn't a tight fit.


I did consider that pond sealer I have lol

Wonder if it's toxic

It’s ok for fish and they drink the water…

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[Northernraider]

It’s ok for fish and they drink the water…

That's a point lol.

How long does it take to dry lol

 

[Hirsch]

Blue tac

 

[Just smiffy]

That's a point lol.

How long does it take to dry lol

Suck it and see…..

 

[Minxy]

Must admit I had a good giggle nearly gave his post a Funny.

Me too ... And I did!

 

[Minxy]

Now

But naw it's oot and I've now a dirty big hole in my teeth. That's my chance of pulling right oot the windae now .

Now then, if you trust us to tell you the truth just put up a photo of you toothless!

I did say before you were turning into ianthebuilder!

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[Russell's Dad]

I got a temporary crown at a French dentist when mine got halved on a bit of baguette. One of my front teeth. Friday afternoon. Anyway, showed my GHIC card and 40 minutes after going into the dentists I walked out sorted and no charge. Maybe I got lucky.

 

[Pugsy]

My crown fell out eating a soft cake whilst wildcamping near Àguilas about 12 year ago,I stuck it back with super glue and it's still there now.
Hope I haven't justed spoke to soon,

 

[Joethejoiner]

I don't think anyone will ever know the whole truth , there was only a few survivors and their stories would obviously be based on speculation.

One thing is for sure the other village had a lucky escape



My own opinion the nazis were a bunch of evil sadistic gits who fully enjoyed killing .

Orders my arse

The survivors stories would be based on speculation!
Aye ok

 

[Northernraider]

The survivors stories would be based on speculation!
Aye ok

Of course . How could they possibly know what happened outside the village before the event? Or what was happening at any other part of the village from where they were.


You need to go read the various articles out there on the Internet regarding the massacre and stop thinking you know the true events .

No one does.

Unless you were there of course which no doubt will be your next statement as you seem unable to accept that anyone can have a different view or opinion than yours.

 

[Northernraider]

Pretty sure very little has been altered but , for example , if there was a sewing machine in a house you can't enter it makes sense to place it in the garden .
Really think this site has been maintained with great sensitivity. Finding it hard to understand many of the comments .

Aye because placing a sewing machine in the garden really helps to let folk understand the events .

Have a word with yourself

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[ChrisL]

My crown fell out eating a soft cake whilst wildcamping near Àguilas about 12 year ago,I stuck it back with super glue and it's still there now.
Hope I haven't justed spoke to soon,

It's worth remembering that superglue saved many lives in the Vietnam war as an emergency method of closing wounds to prevent patients from bleeding out until they got the patient back to a hospital. As Pugsy has mentioned it can be very useful on teeth as well.

 

[Joethejoiner]

Of course . How could they possibly know what happened outside the village before the event? Or what was happening at any other part of the village from where they were.


You need to go read the various articles out there on the Internet regarding the massacre and stop thinking you know the true events .

No one does.

Unless you were there of course which no doubt will be your next statement as you seem unable to accept that anyone can have a different view or opinion than yours.

I have read loads of things on the internet. Not sure the relevance of what the survivors knew about what was happening outside the village .
To say what they knew was pure speculation is pretty daft . They were there .
I don't have an opinion I'm quoting facts . You tell us they are rebuilding the place , they are not . I could go on but there would be no point

 

[Northernraider]

It's worth remembering that superglue saved many lives in the Vietnam war as an emergency method of closing wounds to prevent patients from bleeding out until they got the patient back to a hospital. As Pugsy has mentioned it can be very useful on teeth as well.

Aye I've just superglued mine back in ...not sure it'll stay in though lol.

Hopefully I don't swallow the feckin thing

 

[Lenny HB]

It's worth remembering that superglue saved many lives in the Vietnam war as an emergency method of closing wounds to prevent patients from bleeding out until they got the patient back to a hospital. As Pugsy has mentioned it can be very useful on teeth as well.

That's why it's so good at gluing your fingers together,, that's what it was designed for.

 

[ChrisL]

The survivors stories would be based on speculation!
Aye ok

The accounts of what happened were taken from many sources including the interrogation of Nazis after the war and communications intelligence. In 1953 there was a military tribunal heard against the surviving 65 out of 200 or so SS men who had been involved, two were executed as a result so I think the events were pieced together sufficiently well to convince a court to use capitol punishment.

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