Disgruntled CAMC Warden Joining Here!

peterc10 said:
What makes CAMC such an important organisation that comments on them should be banned?

If people don't like seeing such comments surely the answer is to ignore threads with them in, rather than stopping others exercising their right to free speach.

I trust that Jim will prevent others going too far with their comments.
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Could not have said it better! (y)
 
Oldwarden said:
Good morning
Countdown to big changes how you book CAMC sites
Spent the morning repairing some vandalism in the loos and calming down a customer upset that his neighbours have come back late drunk and woke him up. Hay ho

So it's a big month...HQ are hoping to launch the new booking system\app which will take non refundable deposits and also be " reactive" enabling to club to raise and lower prices daily to suit. The launch will hopefully be in the next club magazine and my guess is it will follow the"' you complained about block booking and cancellations so we've done this for you" kinda thing

Complaints amongst motorhome owning members have started and been " locked" on our Club Together site forum as van owning members have pointed out that caravans will be fine with booking a week with a deposit as they rarely cancel ...whilst motorhome tour around and like the facility to cancel and shuffle bookings to suit.
Seems a fair point ,and relevant especially after the club renamed it's self CAMC.

We need a new booking system and this new one had been bought to enable bookings mostly for the growing number of " statics " being placed on touring pitches...glamping pods and safari tents etc
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So will we be able to 'bank' the deposit and move it to another booking at some time?
This year we found quite a few private sites that were a lot cheaper than CAMC so if we can't do this it will be even more likely we won't be renewing which is a shame because they have good sites in interesting places.
 
Coolcats said:

Complaints that do not count as whistleblowing​

‘ Personal grievances (for example bullying, harassment, discrimination) are not covered by whistleblowing law, unless your particular case is in the public interest.’

I haven't seen anything in the OP’s comments that is whistle blowing, the governments website also stated that an individual with a grievance should follow a companies grievance process ( probably the right thing to do)
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If I recall correctly, I stated that "The Whistleblowers Charter also make interesting reading; https://www.gov.uk/whistleblowing", Not that is necessarily applicable in this instance.

There is a fine line to be drawn between defamation as defined within the Defamation Act 2013 and the freedom of expression rights conferred under Article 10 of the Human Rights Act 1998, defences to which (apart from privilege) include being truthful, holding honest opinion and, of course, qualified privilege. The "public interest" argument is a particularly fruitful defence.

I have no opinion, as I think I made perfectly clear.
 
Oldwarden said:
Good morning
Countdown to big changes how you book CAMC sites
Spent the morning repairing some vandalism in the loos and calming down a customer upset that his neighbours have come back late drunk and woke him up. Hay ho

So it's a big month...HQ are hoping to launch the new booking system\app which will take non refundable deposits and also be " reactive" enabling to club to raise and lower prices daily to suit. The launch will hopefully be in the next club magazine and my guess is it will follow the"' you complained about block booking and cancellations so we've done this for you" kinda thing

Complaints amongst motorhome owning members have started and been " locked" on our Club Together site forum as van owning members have pointed out that caravans will be fine with booking a week with a deposit as they rarely cancel ...whilst motorhome tour around and like the facility to cancel and shuffle bookings to suit.
Seems a fair point ,and relevant especially after the club renamed it's self CAMC.

We need a new booking system and this new one had been bought to enable bookings mostly for the growing number of " statics " being placed on touring pitches...glamping pods and safari tents etc
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Another post out of the blue, with no reference to all the other posts that have been going on :unsure: :doh:
 
Oldwarden said:
Good morning
Countdown to big changes how you book CAMC sites
Spent the morning repairing some vandalism in the loos and calming down a customer upset that his neighbours have come back late drunk and woke him up. Hay ho

So it's a big month...HQ are hoping to launch the new booking system\app which will take non refundable deposits and also be " reactive" enabling to club to raise and lower prices daily to suit. The launch will hopefully be in the next club magazine and my guess is it will follow the"' you complained about block booking and cancellations so we've done this for you" kinda thing

Complaints amongst motorhome owning members have started and been " locked" on our Club Together site forum as van owning members have pointed out that caravans will be fine with booking a week with a deposit as they rarely cancel ...whilst motorhome tour around and like the facility to cancel and shuffle bookings to suit.
Seems a fair point ,and relevant especially after the club renamed it's self CAMC.

We need a new booking system and this new one had been bought to enable bookings mostly for the growing number of " statics " being placed on touring pitches...glamping pods and safari tents etc
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I emailed CAMC about taking deposits and the booking system. They replied that a new UK site booking system is being developed and they are "hoping this will be available some time in 2022". So, by "launched" do you mean announced?

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Hi folks
We're just checking in new arrivals at the mo so super busy,I'll get back later in the day and try to answer any relevant questions from all the past posts,
Regards
Old Warden
 
Well its clear that this will be an ongoing booking system when it goes live. As I mentioned earlier, I cannot see the CAMC then going through all the pre booked 2022 bookings then demanding a deposit or in fact cancelling all the bookings and telling them to rebook with a deposit. So it is a case of get all your bookings in for next your now and thus the new system probably not impact on you
 
PJGWiltshire said:
Well its clear that this will be an ongoing booking system when it goes live. As I mentioned earlier, I cannot see the CAMC then going through all the pre booked 2022 bookings then demanding a deposit or in fact cancelling all the bookings and telling them to rebook with a deposit. So it is a case of get all your bookings in for next your now and thus the new system probably not impact on you
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I suspect you are right. New wording for existing bookings has appeared which looks like the new system will run in parallel with existing bookings.
ezee
 
gus-lopez said:
:laughing:

I've never ever had a job I enjoyed? Even the last 20 years with my own business.
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You must have done something really bad in a previous life!

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chaser said:
Another post out of the blue, with no reference to all the other posts that have been going on :unsure: :doh:
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How is this out of the blue, he is the original OP, on the contrary, I think it's 90% of all the other posts debating the rights and wrongs of taking deposits that do not have much relevance.
 
Swiss said:
How is this out of the blue, he is the original OP, on the contrary, I think it's 90% of all the other posts debating the rights and wrongs of taking deposits that do not have much relevance.
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The OP has started a thread which they then back off from and do not take part in any of the many questions and points that have been raised. It appears that is not their objective.
They simply come back "out of the blue" and throw another rock in the pond.
That is what I understand chaser to mean.
 
It's not unheard of for certain organisations to generate publicity by generating social outrage, thus raising their profile and perhaps testing the waters about some of their more unorthodox ideas. "Any publicity is better than no publicity" as the age old saying goes, and the forums are a great place to start that process at little expense.

I know for example that if I were to be thinking about setting up a new or premium web booking service, that would be the way I'd start gathering intelligence/market research at next to no cost.

Not that this is necessarily so in this case, or that I have any particular interest in the matter, I hasten to add.
 
pyro said:
If I recall correctly, I stated that "The Whistleblowers Charter also make interesting reading; https://www.gov.uk/whistleblowing", Not that is necessarily applicable in this instance.

There is a fine line to be drawn between defamation as defined within the Defamation Act 2013 and the freedom of expression rights conferred under Article 10 of the Human Rights Act 1998, defences to which (apart from privilege) include being truthful, holding honest opinion and, of course, qualified privilege. The "public interest" argument is a particularly fruitful defence.

I have no opinion, as I think I made perfectly clear.
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indeed as I don think there is whistle blowing going on or much of an 'inside line'

Complaints that do not count as whistleblowing​

Personal grievances (for example bullying, harassment, discrimination) are not covered by whistleblowing law, unless your particular case is in the public interest

This reads very much to me as a personal grievance and as you say there is a fine line regarding defamation

I would suggest that it is rare for any organisation not to find they have never had a disgruntled employee.
 
I was hoping that we would be given an insight into what Management are up to and who the culprits are that making the daft decisions, instead it’s a “I’m pissed off with my employer please give me some sympathy“ without any answers to questions as though there is a script and the OP is sticking to it. I don’t understand why he is posting on here if he is not prepared to engage with other Funsters.

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"HQ are hoping to launch the new booking system\app which will take non refundable deposits and also be " reactive" enabling to club to raise and lower prices daily to suit"

That may explain the reluctance to provide a price list. It will make it even harder to find out how much a stay is going to cost, leaving aside the issue of non-refundable deposits (not that I object to those). It's the uncertainty surrounding ascertaining the price that annoys me. I haven't used a single CAMC site this year and these new plans, if true, are unlikely to change that in the future.
It may be that there will be a substantial drop in membership allowing the "bean counters" to install yet more pods/statics/sheds and diversify away from a "touring club". With the demise of realistic tow cars in the medium term, perhaps they are thinking of 'future-proofing' the organisation. If they dump the CL network because it doesn't fit the business profile, I wonder how many CL's will find another umbrella group and how many will pack it in.
 
Coolcats said:
indeed as I don think there is whistle blowing going on or much of an 'inside line'

Complaints that do not count as whistleblowing​

Personal grievances (for example bullying, harassment, discrimination) are not covered by whistleblowing law, unless your particular case is in the public interest

This reads very much to me as a personal grievance and as you say there is a fine line regarding defamation

I would suggest that it is rare for any organisation not to find they have never had a disgruntled employee.
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I rather think that I have already made my point patently clear, and it would be highly unprofessional to speculate without more detailed knowledge. However "disgruntled" an employee may be, he has as much right to express his opinion of his employer's conduct as the next person - subject to it's meeting the expected standards of truth, made holding a demonstrably honest belief and meets NDA/common law duties of loyalty/obedience.

I'm not sure I have ever met an employee who, at one time or another, could not be described as "disgruntled" in some small measure, but that alone does not automatically mean they are being untruthful in their observations, albeit I concur with the sentiment that if they are that unhappy they should seek employment elsewhere.

Ultimately I couldn't care less one way or the other, I also find this whole topic dull, possibly contrived and certainly uninteresting, thus I am now disengaging.
 
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NorthernSoul said:
I emailed CAMC about taking deposits and the booking system. They replied that a new UK site booking system is being developed and they are "hoping this will be available some time in 2022". So, by "launched" do you mean announced?
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When I spoke to central HQ on the phone last week they said the new system (no details about it) was expected during September 2021
 
Well booking ahead for next your gives you this years rates when completing the booking. So as far as I can see that is the price I will be paying when booking in.

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I would rather pay a small non refundable deposit if it allows me to book a weekend visit in 2022. As it stands most popular sites are fully booked.
 
I think it’s interesting to hear the inside story. The CAMC, to me who just wants pitches, not rallies, centres and the other social stuff, is a bit of a mystery in terms of its organisation and competence. We members don’t get independent reports on how the club is managed and run. The annual report is not where we will learn of the cock-ups, scandals, recruitment howlers and failures.
I know what we read on here is partial and biased (we can make our own minds about it) and it’s no less interesting for that. A valuable insight to how clubs operate. More please.
 
Swiss said:
How is this out of the blue, he is the original OP, on the contrary, I think it's 90% of all the other posts debating the rights and wrongs of taking deposits that do not have much relevance.
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Its just a bit of banter sandwiching the meat. Some of it might be sour grapes but its the way of all forums.
ezee

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Essgeebee said:
I think it’s interesting to hear the inside story. The CAMC, to me who just wants pitches, not rallies, centres and the other social stuff, is a bit of a mystery in terms of its organisation and competence. We members don’t get independent reports on how the club is managed and run. The annual report is not where we will learn of the cock-ups, scandals, recruitment howlers and failures.
I know what we read on here is partial and biased (we can make our own minds about it) and it’s no less interesting for that. A valuable insight to how clubs operate. More please.
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I understand everyone has a view, but non of us are perfect during our working lives we all have cock-ups, scandals, recruitment howlers and failures, most would be embarrassed 😳 if theirs were published. When staying on CAMC and other sites the wardens we have encountered have all been trying there best,

We are all human, flawed but amazing be kind even to those who seem to struggle in life they are not there to be made fun of, I have seen nothing from the posts which provide an inside story just one person who is desperate unhappy with thier job therefore what you read will be distorted through the lens any 'story' is being told.
 

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