Current U.K. law on up plating has been changed WITHOUT consultation

rod_vw said:
May I ask what vehicle category yours is in, N1 or M1? That may be the difference.
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& in most cases ,nonsensical. I've just fallen foul of some nonsensical difference regarding N or M, here in spain
 
Rather than start another thread, hopefully someone can help here - very interested in a 3500kg van that is known to have a poor payload - so want to increase that.
If I applied to have it done today, does anyone have any intuition as to roughly when it would be done?

I've tried ringing SV Tech but no luck, and there website is undergoing some work I think.

Thanks in advance 👍
 
Sdrawde said:
Rather than start another thread, hopefully someone can help here - very interested in a 3500kg van that is known to have a poor payload - so want to increase that.
If I applied to have it done today, does anyone have any intuition as to roughly when it would be done?

I've tried ringing SV Tech but no luck, and there website is undergoing some work I think.

Thanks in advance 👍
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Depends what needs to be done, once SV have told you if it's something you can do yourself then the only wait is for parts and then DVLA, if you need to book in for Air assist or something then likely to be 2 to 3 month wait then DVLA.
 
rod_vw said:
Please keep us posted as that is almost what I did except I used VWE to provide the weight change certification otherwise the same weight change as you. The DVLA have changed everything except the revenue weight and Taxation Class.

May I ask what vehicle category yours is in, N1 or M1? That may be the difference.
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M1
 
As has been reported here, one person has been up plated correctly.

There has not been a change to the law or construction & use rules.

This is simply a person or persons at DVLA trying to change the interpretation of the rules.

If a vehicle weighs more than 3500kg it is classed as a heavy goods vehicle.

As to the EU directive allowing a motorhome upto 4250kg to be driven on a category B licence, being adopted here, who knows. It would not under the previous government, but may be under the current government.
Don't hold your breath as they have much more pressing issues to sort out, than a few thousand motorhomes weight limits - as certain parties have ensured we are an island off the coast of Europe with our own set of rules.
 
Sdrawde said:
Rather than start another thread, hopefully someone can help here - very interested in a 3500kg van that is known to have a poor payload - so want to increase that.
If I applied to have it done today, does anyone have any intuition as to roughly when it would be done?

I've tried ringing SV Tech but no luck, and there website is undergoing some work I think.

Thanks in advance 👍
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Depends really.

Mine recently took 2 weeks for a paperwork exercise.

The previous one was only slightly longer as it required rear air assist. SV Tech supplied this for me to fit. Simple enough job. They still do all the paperwork and did not need any proof that you have done the work. Although maybe as I bought the kit from them helped. I got the new V5 before the work was done.

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The Artilleryman said:
As has been reported here, one person has been up plated correctly.

There has not been a change to the law or construction & use rules.
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But that one was M1 Category.
The Artilleryman said:
This is simply a person or persons at DVLA trying to change the interpretation of the rules.

If a vehicle weighs more than 3500kg it is classed as a heavy goods vehicle.
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Not in the eyes of the DVLA and I have escalated it to senior staff (Cheryl Westacott, DVLA Complaints Team}
with a total refusal to change.

The text of her reply to that complaint is...

"Dear ******,

Thank you for contacting our Head of DVLA Complaints, on 18 August about a change to
your vehicle information. As a member of the DVLA Complaints Team, I have been asked
to formally review your case at Step 2 of our complaints procedure.
It is currently taking us longer than our published timeframe to reply to customers, given
this, please accept my apologies for the delay in receiving my response.
I understand that my colleague’s previous response to you did not resolve matters. I hope
the following explains our actions.
Vehicle registration and taxation is governed by the Vehicle Excise and Registration Act
1994. The taxation requirements for N1 type approved vehicles are provided for in
Schedule 1, Part 1B (light goods vehicles) of this Act.
This specifies that any post-registration modifications made to such a vehicle cannot affect
its current status. This means that the type approval category and tax class that was
recorded at first registration must remain.
This legislation has been in place since 2001 and has not been subject to any recent
changes. However, the Driver and Vehicle Licensing Agency (DVLA) has recently identified
that there was confusion regarding the processing of some applications. A reminder of the
correct procedures and legislative guidelines has subsequently been circulated to the
relevant business areas.
*****
Your case has been reviewed based on the information you have provided. Should you
have any new information, we are happy to review your case again. If not, this brings the
DVLA procedure to an end. Further options can be found in the enclosed leaflet, (MIS 582),
which outlines the remit of the Independent Complaints Assessor (ICA)."

I had asked them how to explain how an N1 vehicle could have a Maximo Permissible Gross weight in excess if the internationally recognised weight of the N1 classification and all they could say was to present a copy of the above document to ant non UK authority who queried it.
From the sixth paragraph we can see that the DVLA admit to having been processing it wrongly for twenty three years!

Or it's all more Bull Sh1t.
 
KASPAR said:
I applied to DVLA to update from 3500Kg to 4200Kg on 12 September. I requested
'Weight Change - [Y] Revenue and F.1: Max. Permissible Mass
Taxation Class Change - [X]: Taxation Class
The Tax Class will now change to Private Heavy Goods (TC10), duly completed form V70'
I had cause to check the Emission Zone charge for Bath earlier today and used the https://pay.drive-clean-air-zone.service where it came back as no charge. The CAZ vehicle type shows as Heavy Goods Vehicle.

I then checked the gov.uk vehicle enquiry service to learn:
Revenue weight 4200 kg - meaning it has been upplated as my request.
Date of last V5C (logbook) issued 2 October 2024 - so it should arrive soon, then I can use the number to check the VED rate.

I did this myself and used my Professional Registration (CEng FIMechE) in my correspondence. Whether that had any bearing I don't know. For the effort of a phone call, a letter and a few £ in recorded delivery postage, job done, and a happy camper. Under 3 weeks.
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Could you update if you get the lesser rate for RFL ?

Cheers
 
There are way more pressing Divergence issues that need to be addressed. Do we adopt the EU bottle caps staying attached to the bottle or do we accept that some UK scrotes will be OK to lob the cap into the street not giving a fig about who has to clear up

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I thought that if the vehicle was registered on theV5c as a Motorcaravan then it was Class M1(special)
 
My new van is 4250kg but until I get my C1 sorted I’ve plated it at 3500kg - small payload over winter. If it changes I will have to reapply to DVLA to change and not do my C1. It would be useful to know if UK are to adopt as it might save me some cash!!
 
dunnah01 said:
There are way more pressing Divergence issues that need to be addressed. Do we adopt the EU bottle caps staying attached to the bottle or do we accept that some UK scrotes will be OK to lob the cap into the street not giving a fig about who has to clear up
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Oh, I hate these! I always detach them :) I don't know what the reasoning is behind them :unsure:

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HKF said:
Oh, I hate these! I always detach them :) I don't know what the reasoning is behind them :unsure:
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It’s so that when recycled they can do them both together.

They never used to be able to be recycled. Now they can so don’t detach.

Think of the turtles. 😆
 
Googlebot said:
It’s so that when recycled they can do them both together.

They never used to be able to be recycled. Now they can so don’t detach.

Think of the turtles. 😆
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I'm sorry, I must be being a bit thick this morning. If the bottle can be recycled and the top can be recycled, why do they have to be stuck together? Can't we just put both pieces in the recycle bin?

BTW, almost everything can go in one recycle bin in France now. We've just recently been changed from community bins to individual bins; one for landfill and one for all recycled. The expect the landfill bin to be almost empty :)
 
HKF said:
I'm sorry, I must be being a bit thick this morning. If the bottle can be recycled and the top can be recycled, why do they have to be stuck together? Can't we just put both pieces in the recycle bin?

BTW, almost everything can go in one recycle bin in France now. We've just recently been changed from community bins to individual bins; one for landfill and one for all recycled. The expect the landfill bin to be almost empty :)
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Once you detach them, they become very difficult to collect again in the automatic recycling lines.

Differentiation for plastic bottles is very good so the machine sorts them easy. The bottle tops will usually end up in the landfill pile.

Sad but true that over 90% of plastic ever made is still on earth and not recycled.
 
Googlebot said:
Once you detach them, they become very difficult to collect again in the automatic recycling lines.

Differentiation for plastic bottles is very good so the machine sorts them easy. The bottle tops will usually end up in the landfill pile.

Sad but true that over 90% of plastic ever made is still on earth and not recycled.
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Not sure I've ever thrown the cap away separated from the bottle
 

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