Campsite Price Rises

Silver-Fox said:
Can you wild in Canada or is it sites only.
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Wild camping is always allowed in Canada if it is not prohibited. However, there is generally a nationwide ban on wild camping in cities, national parks, and provincial parks. ... On public land (National, Forest) and areas that are not privately owned (Crown Land), wild camping is generally allowed.
 
rolosroller said:
Wild camping is always allowed in Canada if it is not prohibited. However, there is generally a nationwide ban on wild camping in cities, national parks, and provincial parks. ... On public land (National, Forest) and areas that are not privately owned (Crown Land), wild camping is generally allowed.
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Thanks for that.

I would at some point in the future have a bit of a jaunt in Canada, preferably in an RV.

Obviously it would be cost dependent.
 
Jim said:
Reading about how in America, where they are experiencing a motorhome boom much bigger than ours, that campsites prices are almost doubling and so many are now using dynamic pricing, much like airlines do. As demand increases so do prices.

It's easy to shout "greed" but they defend the rises saying that their insurance has gone through the roof, business taxes are up, staff needing pay rises, all services like waste and water are being hiked. Coming to a campsite near you if it hasn't already.?
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Good job I enjoy wildcamping then 👍
 
hja said:
From what, to what, & with what facilities? I think context could be everything. I think many of us have no idea what it actually costs to run a CL, and make a profit, even if just a reasonable one. Obviously it will vary from site to site, depending on facilities, and development costs. I think there are a few CLs around that charge way too much, but on the other hand if you have a CL that hasnt put up its prices for years, and probably doesnt make a profit any more, great for visitors, but other CLs get compared unfavourably.
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But TheAleMan wasn’t speculating about circumstances, he was reporting what the CL owner had said. It’d be somewhat patronising of anyone (e.g. the club) to suggest that a business should increase their charges; it’s none of their business.

Ian
 
Bleau’s said:
As a park owner our public liability insurance has doubled over the last 3 years and is turnover based , wages have gone up about 20% in the same period and last week our electric supplier ceased to trade and the brokers have seen a increase in our unit costs of between 105 and 180 % .Our average cost next year will be 28ppu. to break it down on a 16 amp supply if the unit pulled its maximum (which is possible when people put heaters and fridges etc in awnings) 16 x 230 volts = 3680 watts which is 3.68 units per hour X by 24 = 88.32 units per day at 28 ppu is £24-72 per van at this rate is there any wonder why sites are going metered or restricting what people use I know these are the maximum fiqures but just half usage and it is more than most parks charge. We still have the large increase for communual electric to deal with . When we toured Florida in 2011 the most I paid for a pitch was $ 88.00 per night but I was quoted $128.00 for a night on the Keys until I found something cheaper.
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Thats why I like sites with at least some non electric pitches

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Northernraider said:
10 days all inclusive 3+*** hotel in gran canaria january £440 ...that's £44 per day with all food and drink compared to £40 per night just to park 😁


You wouldn't want to go in July though
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And therein lies the problem. We have had friends come and stay locally to our chosen sites in the UK and it has been cheaper or very nearly the same cost for an AirBNB or even a lodge/caravan on the same site. You do begin to wonder at the sense in owning a Motorhome with sites charging £30/40 quid a night. Lots of Travelodge and Premier Inn rooms available at that price.
 
If electric keeps going up at the current rate expect to see campsites doing one of the following.
1) increasing rates
2) installing meters
3) reducing the size of the MCB from 16 down to 10, 6 or even 4 Amps.

My personal preference as a site visitor would for meters to be on each pitch. But the cost of buying and installing would be prohibitive for smaller sites unless they are taking a really long view.

I am a low user of electric but I do like to have it available. So I don't really want to see the prices shoot up to cover the high users, but at the same time I don't want CL owners to take a hit and possibly give up.

As for site fees being more than hotel fees. If a hotel is charging that little I don't think they can be paying their staff enough to ensure you have clean sheets and a pube free shower. YUK!!!. I will continue taking my own bed, toilet and shower along with me. Along with the convenience of having my kitchen and all my gear along. Motorhoming has always been more than a cheap holiday for me.
 
Bleau’s said:
As a park owner our public liability insurance has doubled over the last 3 years and is turnover based , wages have gone up about 20% in the same period and last week our electric supplier ceased to trade and the brokers have seen a increase in our unit costs of between 105 and 180 % .Our average cost next year will be 28ppu. to break it down on a 16 amp supply if the unit pulled its maximum (which is possible when people put heaters and fridges etc in awnings) 16 x 230 volts = 3680 watts which is 3.68 units per hour X by 24 = 88.32 units per day at 28 ppu is £24-72 per van at this rate is there any wonder why sites are going metered or restricting what people use I know these are the maximum fiqures but just half usage and it is more than most parks charge. We still have the large increase for communual electric to deal with . When we toured Florida in 2011 the most I paid for a pitch was $ 88.00 per night but I was quoted $128.00 for a night on the Keys until I found something cheaper.
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hi guys . electricity on sites are an old age problem like you said people have been using heaters in awnings for years well the only answer is put in meters . a cl we use has done that because of electric misuse over our many years of caravan/motor homing we have seen the lot washing machines/ spinners heaters /fans . we have a bank of 340w solar panels & can stay on a metered site for a week for £3 electric just using it for the 12v charger also a lot of people don't know but using fridges on electric take some juice we always use gas on a metered site . val

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I am going to be unpopular here, but I don't get this argument at all.

Firstly, we only use sites. Site ablutions, locations, ready water, EHU, security, little shop, disabled kids, wifi, etc, etc.
Secondly, our moho cost us about sixty grand, am I really going to quibble over a few quid increase for site charges?
Thirdly, we don't use EHU for heating, water heating, tellies, toaster, or anything. 150w solar for charging stuff. We have used EHU in Italy to power up the aircon.

When you look round at the costs of everything going up (a global problem, affected by supply chain logistics) is it any surprise that the cost of running a site is going up? In UK, I prefer to use club sites, whenever possible. A few quid increase won't change that. And as said by Gromett above, these people who clean the toilets and showers on sites, how much do you reckon these people are paid? I wonder how people would react to site price rises if they knew that any price increase would see cleaning and grounds staff rise above minimum wage?
 
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Price increases are always passed down the line. In our case we pass on the increases to our tenants. Do we want to, no of course not, but everybody want's more more more to pay for all the increases??. At least we can, other poor buggers have to suck the increase.
 
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Jim said:
Reading about how in America, where they are experiencing a motorhome boom much bigger than ours, that campsites prices are almost doubling and so many are now using dynamic pricing, much like airlines do. As demand increases so do prices.

It's easy to shout "greed" but they defend the rises saying that their insurance has gone through the roof, business taxes are up, staff needing pay rises, all services like waste and water are being hiked. Coming to a campsite near you if it hasn't already.?
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Jim said:
Reading about how in America, where they are experiencing a motorhome boom much bigger than ours, that campsites prices are almost doubling and so many are now using dynamic pricing, much like airlines do. As demand increases so do prices.

It's easy to shout "greed" but they defend the rises saying that their insurance has gone through the roof, business taxes are up, staff needing pay rises, all services like waste and water are being hiked. Coming to a campsite near you if it hasn't already.?
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Prices for everything are rising. One of the primary reasons are shipping costs.
In December 2020 China to Felixstowe for a 40ft container cost £3000 February 2021 - £ 5500. April 2021 - £8500. August 2021 -£15000 and la
 
BusyBuilder said:
Last campsite wee stayed on was at Harlech, Wales. 1 Night was £45, to park on a pitch.
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I wouldn't dream of paying that for a site, unless it included breakfast and evening meals.. but it's your choice, as long as you're happy.

Our last site was £20 a night Inc. EHU at C&CC at Canterbury.
 
Earlier in the year we did 6 fully serviced different camp sites at an average of £30 p/n. Will be interesting to see whatwe may pay next year when we are on the road again.
 
chaser said:
Not necessarily, if you are looking at £30 or £40 a night, figures that have been mentioned on here before now, plus all food, diesel, tax and insurance, services, mot and other hidden costs ,tolls, tyres, tunnel or ferry.
It's getting to be a very dear holidays.
I'm doing it so don't shoot me down, but it doesn't bear working out for someone who hasn't got a lot of money.
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I don't see it being a problem chaser with the new minimum wage increasing to £11.05 per hour there will be plenty of disposable income floating around.;)
 
What a diverse hobby this motorhomeing really is, you have people with 2 grand vans to 200 grand palaces all doing the basic thing, but witness the threads on here this last day or two, campra campaigning for free Aires or at least cheap ones, others wanting nt to do the same, others who don't want to pay anything or maybe can't even afford to pay anything to folks who are quite happy to pay upwards of fifty quid a night, not much chance of getting any middle ground.
 
Meters are fine, but bloody inconvenient unless on a bigger site, with enforced arrival and leaving times.

Someone books on line, pays on line and enters their details. The due day comes and they are delayed and get to us after hours.

No problem the system has notified them of their pitch number, on arrival the Automatic Plate Number Recognition system (APNR) checks their vehicle and opens to let the late comers in after their delayed journey. They pull on their pitch plug in and relax after a stressful day!

The following morning, they are up and away early to catch the ferry so need to leave early, earlier than the Wardens start work, but its not an issue, everything is paid, the APNR system lets them out and they are on their way

Neither of those two scenarios can work with a meter that has to be read on arrival and read on departure. So then you look at pre-payment meters, where you "load" a card with money, which has to be bought during office hours. Tried coin meters years ago, just kept loosing the meters and the money.

Add to the fact that we are not allowed to make a profit on the electricity so have to be careful about split tariffs and it comes back to the fact that its more convenient to say that all of our pitches have hook up, which you use or not, your choice, if your adamant that you don't want electricity available we suggest that instead of paying us £22 a night for a gravelled hard standing with electricty & WiFi with the benefit of fresh water water, grey and black disposal and underfloor heated toilets and showers, that just down the road you can park in Taunton services for £27 for the full "off grid effect" in as much as you get nothing but somewhere to park(y)
 
bobnick said:
Price increases are always passed down the line. In our case we pass on the increases to our tenants.
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My friend rents a property in Devon, and has done since 1999. The rent is the same today as the day she moved in.
Fraggle 22 said:
December 2020 China to Felixstowe for a 40ft container cost £3000 February 2021 - £ 5500. April 2021 - £8500. August 2021 -£15000
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Why?
 
eddievanbitz said:
Meters are fine, but bloody inconvenient unless on a bigger site, with enforced arrival and leaving times.

Someone books on line, pays on line and enters their details. The due day comes and they are delayed and get to us after hours.

No problem the system has notified them of their pitch number, on arrival the Automatic Plate Number Recognition system (APNR) checks their vehicle and opens to let the late comers in after their delayed journey. They pull on their pitch plug in and relax after a stressful day!

The following morning, they are up and away early to catch the ferry so need to leave early, earlier than the Wardens start work, but its not an issue, everything is paid, the APNR system lets them out and they are on their way

Neither of those two scenarios can work with a meter that has to be read on arrival and read on departure. So then you look at pre-payment meters, where you "load" a card with money, which has to be bought during office hours. Tried coin meters years ago, just kept loosing the meters and the money.

Add to the fact that we are not allowed to make a profit on the electricity so have to be careful about split tariffs and it comes back to the fact that its more convenient to say that all of our pitches have hook up, which you use or not, your choice, if your adamant that you don't want electricity available we suggest that instead of paying us £22 a night for a gravelled hard standing with electricty & WiFi with the benefit of fresh water water, grey and black disposal and underfloor heated toilets and showers, that just down the road you can park in Taunton services for £27 for the full "off grid effect" in as much as you get nothing but somewhere to park(y)
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It's free in asda, or sainsbury car parks.mcd,s, the pictures,
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I really don't understand the offering of electricity?

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Ninjabob said:
And therein lies the problem. We have had friends come and stay locally to our chosen sites in the UK and it has been cheaper or very nearly the same cost for an AirBNB or even a lodge/caravan on the same site. You do begin to wonder at the sense in owning a Motorhome with sites charging £30/40 quid a night. Lots of Travelodge and Premier Inn rooms available at that price.
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But if we wanted the same level of comfort in a hotel room would cost circa £200+ per night plus meals. For an average years stay that would be x 90. Then you have the faffing about packing unpacking, getting dressed for breakfast etc etc. However we also don’t see using our Motorhome as simply economic accommodation.
 
gus-lopez said:
It's free in asda, or sainsbury car parks.mcd,s, the pictures,
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I really don't understand the offering of electricity?
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If we charge £22 to include electric hook up and £18 a night for no hook up, we are charging £4 a night for the use of electricity

As we are not allowed to resell electricity at a profit if someone only used £2 worth of electric they could demand the difference refunded.

Given that we opened the site in 2005 and made the decision that all of our pitches would have electric hook up points, we loose very little business from people that refuse to use sites where hook up is included, well actually we don't know of course how much business we loose, but I know that I loose no sleep worrying that someone may not use the site as the electricity is included which annoys them

The solution is always easy, if you wish to use a site, select a site that meets your requirements!

Don't like dogs? go to a no dog site.
Don't like Kids? go to an adults only site
Don't like enjoying yourself? Go to a Caravan Club site ;)
Don't want electricity? go to a site that has non hook up pitches

Its a free world
 
ChrisL said:
I've noticed prices going up on some CL/CS sites, i was told it was because of electricity prices.
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That'll be because idiots bought motorhomes , decided they weren't big enough so bought an awning and left a fan heater running all night so the kids don't get cold
 
If the only option to having a MH was staying in a hotel/B&B or no holiday, I won't have a holiday! I love the 'freedom' of motorhoming, being able to sit out (where permitted) and chill with the pooches, at the side of rivers, lakes, beaches, in the mountains, countryside etc many times all on our own ... not having to go back to the same place all the time because we've 'rented' a pitch so can change our plans as we see fit. It doesn't mean that we won't use sites sometimes if we want/need to but we haven't 'had' to do so for many, many years and if we did I certainly wouldn't want the 'all singing' type with all the facilities as we wouldn't use them anyway so might as well leave them for all the folk who seem to love them! :giggle:

Nah ... I'll stick with my MH regardless of the cost of my having that 'freedom'.
 
eddievanbitz said:
If we charge £22 to include electric hook up and £18 a night for no hook up, we are charging £4 a night for the use of electricity

As we are not allowed to resell electricity at a profit if someone only used £2 worth of electric they could demand the difference refunded.
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Are you not allowed instead to 'rent out' the EHU bollard so you're not actually charging for the electricity per se? :unsure:

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