Are CAMC finally getting the message

wp1234 said:
No offence but this is what the Club want , apathy . The more people that vote with their feet the sooner they will rethink their charging strategy .

As for York Rowntree the costs are just plain silly at £58 pn for a pitch in a glorified gravel car park with zero view. Try the Cherry Tree Cottage Site , much nicer and much cheaper

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Kups said:
Well that's one way of looking at the new tax, wrongly in my view. This is what the legislation is about:

"Local visitor levy​

We are proposing to give councils powers to introduce a visitor levy, sometimes known as a 'tourism tax'. This will generate funds to invest in local facilities and services, helping to attract more visitors."

So a national tax levied at local level, the proceeds of which are to be spent at local level.
The OP doesn't see any benefit in that. I do, having seen and been involved with the many local benefits a tourism tax has brought to countries in the EU and further afield.
Just why the two main clubs should oppose it I struggle to understand. The system works well elsewhere, why not in Scotland? Or England and Wales for the same reason.
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They will probably oppose the tax as they know there is little chance of it going into local tourism services, it will disappear into the councils pension pot.
 
I’m currently sat at a Caravan and Motorhome site in Cornwall and over the past month been at approx 5 none affiliated sites and 5 CCC & CAMCS. Yes there are cheaper sites but of the 5 none affiliated sites 3 we either did not stop or moved on earlier than planned. 1 of them was accessed along a very narrow road with walls either side and was OK for 1 night. The other 1 was just as good as any CCC or CAMCS site I have stayed at and was a similar price if not more expensive.
I agree that it is more expensive to use the club sites but all of them I have been on are well kept, have multiple wardens or for help and advice and in general no problem getting too. I noticed last night an ambulance on this site with a warden standing by looking after the other occupant of the motorhome whilst paramedics were busy. You may or may not get that help staying in a field.
If I was to ask for two things from the big 2 it would be
1 some sort of loyalty programme such as every time you spend a night you collect a point and when you have 10 points you get a free night.
2. The price quoted is for a standard 2 people in a motorhome not just 1. I think it’s just cost an extra £12.50 for my wife but nothing extra for the dog.?
I do not understand the pricing as where I am at it costs more to stay here on a hard stand without an awning than with an awning and it’s only £1 cheaper to stand on grass.
You know we can do something to help ourselves and that’s next time the clubs elections are on turn up ask questions an vote.
 
pxh38257 said:
I’m currently sat at a Caravan and Motorhome site in Cornwall and over the past month been at approx 5 none affiliated sites and 5 CCC & CAMCS. Yes there are cheaper sites but of the 5 none affiliated sites 3 we either did not stop or moved on earlier than planned. 1 of them was accessed along a very narrow road with walls either side and was OK for 1 night. The other 1 was just as good as any CCC or CAMCS site I have stayed at and was a similar price if not more expensive.
I agree that it is more expensive to use the club sites but all of them I have been on are well kept, have multiple wardens or for help and advice and in general no problem getting too. I noticed last night an ambulance on this site with a warden standing by looking after the other occupant of the motorhome whilst paramedics were busy. You may or may not get that help staying in a field.
If I was to ask for two things from the big 2 it would be
1 some sort of loyalty programme such as every time you spend a night you collect a point and when you have 10 points you get a free night.
2. The price quoted is for a standard 2 people in a motorhome not just 1. I think it’s just cost an extra £12.50 for my wife but nothing extra for the dog.?
I do not understand the pricing as where I am at it costs more to stay here on a hard stand without an awning than with an awning and it’s only £1 cheaper to stand on grass.
You know we can do something to help ourselves and that’s next time the clubs elections are on turn up ask questions a vote.
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Great idea the loyalty points but CAMC management have no loyalty towards Motorhomers so don’t expect anything to change.

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minesapint said:
They will probably oppose the tax as they know there is little chance of it going into local tourism services, it will disappear into the councils pension pot.
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Well that's a very unusual view of how local government pension scheme works. As a LG officer of 30 years service in leisure and tourism I assume your post is a jest. Revenue budgets and employee's pension contributions are totally unrelated as I'm sure you know.
 
I’m afraid the CAMC is controlled by an out of touch board who are past their sell by date. How can other sites in UK and especially abroad manage to provide adequate facilities for a lot less than CAMC?
 
Bobby-gg said:
No offence, but it's my money and I'll spend it how I want.

But, if you re-read my post, I'm not paying £58 a night, there's no way I'd pay that, I'm going in November and it's £38 a night
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That's not exactly cheap for a 'high season' pitch IMHO.
Had an Email today with "offers". All of them ridiculously overpriced, so the answer to the thread question is still "no".
 
Gerry77 said:
I’m afraid the CAMC is controlled by an out of touch board who are past their sell by date. How can other sites in UK and especially abroad manage to provide adequate facilities for a lot less than CAMC?
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It's mostly the result of high local taxation in the form of Council Tax. Plus minimum wage regulations and providing staff with onsite accommodation. Euro sites are often family owned and pay little or no wages by comparison. Then there's UK VAT, electricity charges, water bills and any outstanding site purchase costs. The biggest overhead they probably have after wages is central establishment costs ie. their portion of HQ costs which again many euro sites will not have to bear except of course for the chain brand sites. It's not as simple answer because on top of all that the CCC and CAMC have central policies for pitch fees, whereas euro sites are free to determine their own prices and/or apply ACSI prices.
Hope that shows it's a complicated equation to get to an overnight fee price.
 
Easy for the Clubs to work out the fees. Decide how much the committee want to be paid. Add on operating costs, add ten percent and divide by the number of members. Most important thing is to ensure the committee receive their money. Does not matter if members leave as they can charge the remainder more next year.
 
seasideBill said:
Yes, QE2 Conference Centre in central London, splashing out on a grand jolly with members money!
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OR an easy location for members to get to by train? Not sure if Committee members get expenses, staff will get theirs paid.

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Kups said:
OR an easy location for members to get to by train? Not sure if Committee members get expenses, staff will get theirs paid.
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Plenty of other places we’ll served by trains, and some north of Watford.
 
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seasideBill said:
Yes, QE2 Conference Centre in central London, splashing out on a grand jolly with members money!
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Why couldn't it have been Birmingham or Manchester based for example, ie, central to the majority of the country? :doh:

Please don't waste your time answering, as I already know the answer. :(

Cheers,

Jock. ;)
 
seasideBill said:
Yes, QE2 Conference Centre in central London, splashing out on a grand jolly with members money!
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I’m a member of neither club but have followed the thread with interest. As an outsider with no axe to grind my first thought was why didn’t they hold it somewhere that the core members i.e. those with caravans and motorhomes could attend with ease - a racecourse with pitching for the above and conference facilities in the midlands would seem to fit the bill. Or don’t they want members to come along? :unsure:
 
Swifter said:
What a brilliantly thought out location .
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I think I will be joining you. Need to spend a bit of time thinking about what questions I would like answering first.

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Can we stop perpetuating the myth that CLs and CSS are the reason we stay with the two clubs. Since the clubs started increasing their prices most of the CLs and CSs have jumped on the bandwagon. Often you go to a CL advertising showers and toilets and priced accordingly to find they haven’t been cleaned in decades. £20 plus for a CL offering only basic facilities is a laugh compared to what you get in Europe. I’d like to see the 2 clubs putting more effort into raising standards instead of prices. There may be some good value CLs and CSs but the overall standard is poor. And they want paying in cash to keep it off the books. And they have another field for tents and non members where they can rip them off as well.
 
MikenPauline said:
Can we stop perpetuating the myth that CLs and CSS are the reason we stay with the two clubs. Since the clubs started increasing their prices most of the CLs and CSs have jumped on the bandwagon. Often you go to a CL advertising showers and toilets and priced accordingly to find they haven’t been cleaned in decades. £20 plus for a CL offering only basic facilities is a laugh compared to what you get in Europe. I’d like to see the 2 clubs putting more effort into raising standards instead of prices. There may be some good value CLs and CSs but the overall standard is poor. And they want paying in cash to keep it off the books. And they have another field for tents and non members where they can rip them off as well.
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I’ve got some sympathy with those views, but CAMC & CCC have collectively driven the increase in UK prices - as they say “a rising tide lifts all ships” same goes for campsite fees! Also, for me, there’s no myth, value isn’t just measured in showers & toilets, many CL/CS have unique properties that set them miles apart from Club sites.
 
Bobby-gg said:
No offence, but it's my money and I'll spend it how I want.

But, if you re-read my post, I'm not paying £58 a night, there's no way I'd pay that, I'm going in November and it's £38 a night
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Totaly agree spend your money and support the club , your choice 👍
 
seasideBill said:
I’ve got some sympathy with those views, but CAMC & CCC have collectively driven the increase in UK prices - as they say “a rising tide lifts all ships” same goes for campsite fees! Also, for me, there’s no myth, value isn’t just measured in showers & toilets, many CL/CS have unique properties that set them miles apart from Club sites.
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I’m looking forward to the time when all Camping and Motorhome Club sites have electricity meters on each pitch so if you use nothing your charged nothin g.
So logically then if you look at a pitch cost say 3 years ago ( pre power cost spike ) which included free EHU . I would expect pitch prices after meter installations to come down to pitch prices much lower than 3 years ago …. I know it’s not going to happen is it.

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wp1234 said:
I’m looking forward to the time when all Camping and Motorhome Club sites have electricity meters on each pitch so if you use nothing your charged nothin g.
So logically then if you look at a pitch cost say 3 years ago ( pre power cost spike ) which included free EHU . I would expect pitch prices after meter installations to come down to pitch prices much lower than 3 years ago …. I know it’s not going to happen is it.
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They'll probably go for 4 KwH included per day in the pitch fee like many euro sites so you'll pay a bit even if you don't use it.
 
Kups said:
They'll probably go for 4 KwH included per day in the pitch fee like many euro sites so you'll pay a bit even if you don't use it.
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Only been to one site in the UK where we paid for electricity separately and for the 2 nights we were there we used £5.80 worth. It was just over a month ago so pre electricity price reduction.
 
Just a little perspective for those wearing rose tinted spectacles when looking at Euroland. We are meeting our son in the Dordogne next month, they are staying on Yelloh site so we looked to book €80 a night plus €6 for the dog! We managed to get 2 nights on one of their cheaper pitches but its still €128 for 2 nights for 2 of us and the dog. They are or seem fully booked as hard to get a pitch for more than an odd night.
 
Kups said:
Remeber that it's an AGM so the ability to ask questions is very limited. Standard practice - not just the clubs.
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Yes and all questions anticipated with clever arse responses scripted and rehearsed beforehand.

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